Lots of people analogizing the Sale trade to the Cubs' moves when Theo got hired. But there's a vast difference between a one off trade of a superstar for max value and a complete overhaul of one's system from top to bottom, including coaching strategy at all levels of the minor leagues. So far for me Hahn isn't following Theo's plan; it's just a standard move to milk a single asset for as much as you can get. Certainly not as systematic as the Cubs' moves.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

This, my friends, is textbook Cub fan world view on all subjects.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

That's odd since he's a Sox fan.

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The pummeling continues.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Are you seriously suggesting that Hahn's recent moves are akin to Theo's moves when he took over the Cubs? That trading Sale is the first step in a knock off White Sox "Plan"?

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

No, and neither are most people.

It is fun to rile people up by saying Hahn is doing it better.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

The Theo plan needed a doubling of the payroll to win. This won't.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I agree with you, but Cub fans (and FavreFan) are trying to play it both ways. "Sox fans mocked the Cubs for losing on purpose and now they're happy when the Sox do the same thing!" So the question becomes, are they doing the same thing or not? I would say they are not. Epstein remade the entire organization. Hahn doesn't have the power to do that. And the Sox are not putting a plan in place where purposeful losing for several seasons is a key component.

In the case of the Cubs, the purposeful losing worked. For other teams that have followed a similar model, it has not. And let's not forget that there is luck involved. I remember how much Cub fans hated Ryan Dempster when he got in the way of The Plan® by rejecting the trade Theo had completed to the Dodgers for Delgado. But then they got Hendricks from Texas instead. I guess you can thank luck. Or Ryan Dempster.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Thanks luck. Thanks Ryan Dempster.

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Proud to be UNVERIFIED.

Let's be crystal clear about something right now. I've been one of the only people on this board regardless of fandom that has been consistent throughout the last 5+ years about baseball. I'm not trying to have it both ways. It's absolutely disagraceful for any team, anywhere, in any sport, to tank an entire season before its played. Theo went to the Cubs and instantly said he does not give a shit about the next three seasons and I hammered him harder than any of you. Same with Sam Hinkie and the 76ers. Now my team is doing it and I went after them as hard as I criticized Theo and Hinkie.

Be honest. Between the two of us, who is trying to have it both ways? I've never wavered in my conviction. You can't say the same. Understandably, you didn't want to see the same old shit year after year, and this was the offseason where you finally broke and said fuck it and gave in. But you absolutely went back on your previously held belief that "the team owes it to the paying customer to attempt to field a competitive team". It's fine if you think that, but let's not make any mistake about who is trying to have it both ways between the two of us.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

You can't be "a little bit pregnant". You are either not fielding the best possible team next year in order to be better in future years or you are not. I agree with FF that it is Sox fans who are trying to have it both ways be distinguishing between a "total rebuild" and a "partial rebuild." It's a rebuild, period.

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Cubs had everything: very smart people, and owner letting them do whatever they wanted, fans, luck. Sox have none of these things.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

The pretzel twisting by MANY is fun to watch. FF seems to be the only one with any honor. I salute him and thank him for his service.

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Bump. Edited title, as denial doesn't get enough credit.

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I don't believe that to be true.

Haven't the Sox been telling us for the past few years that they've been upgrading/expanding the scouting and talent development areas of the organization? This might not qualify as a complete restructuring of the organization, but it sounds somewhat similar. And wasn't Hahn behind a lot of this stuff?

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I tried to offer that in another thread TM. I was summarily dismissed by FF.

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Elections have consequences.

All I know is Buddy Bell is still here.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

All the Cubs proved by winning last year was that you can indeed suck a ton of cock to win a title.

Shame bell X 1000.

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I like thinking big. . . If you're going to be thinking anything, you might as well think big.
-Donald J. Trump, BPE

I'm sure we (Cubs fans) complained about it and now he's arguably the best pitcher on the team.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.lonestar ... -sprint-us

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

I'm sure we (Cubs fans) complained about it and now he's arguably the best pitcher on the team.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.lonestar ... -sprint-us

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

2016