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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:59 am 
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sounds like some kind of shake down to me.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:00 pm 
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If you look at it from the protest angle big oil could potentially seriously contaminate the drinking water of an entire Reservation. The chances of this are so minimal tho.

I can't imagine this to be very comforting for the ones living there. "I might kill you and everyone you love, but the chances are minimal, believe me."

It really is 99.9% safe, honestly FF. Like I said tho, whichever way this goes I'm good with it. Whoever wins, we all lose.

Look at it like this. If these Natives would have been granted the 8 figure proposal they countered with, do you think they would be out here protesting?

Maybe, maybe not. I'm guessing they had their reasons for turning the offer down. But I'm never gonna side with people who are 1.) potentially poisoning an entire living area's water supply, 2.) getting hired goons to assault elderly women and children who are protesting.

All of our water supply has the potential for contamination. It's one of the things you deal with when you have services.


That doesn't in any way disqualify the Native Americans from having reservations about their water supply though.


It's understandable why they have an axe to grind.

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I was in Williston working in the summer of 2012. Don't really wanna go there in the summer either. Fucking unreal money to be made though.



Dude, how come you never mentioned that before? Don't you have some great stories for us? That's like a throwback to early American boom times. I know there really aren't many women out there. Haven't brothels popped up like crazy to fill the demand?

I've mentioned it in the past. I'm positive if I look at my posts from summer/fall 2012 it would be in there. Yeah, there were some pretty crazy stories from that place.

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Just got my (natural) gas bill for Oct/Nov, which has been mild temp-wise, and it's triple last year's bill...WTF. Turn those pipelines on!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:29 pm 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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If you look at it from the protest angle big oil could potentially seriously contaminate the drinking water of an entire Reservation. The chances of this are so minimal tho.

I can't imagine this to be very comforting for the ones living there. "I might kill you and everyone you love, but the chances are minimal, believe me."

It really is 99.9% safe, honestly FF. Like I said tho, whichever way this goes I'm good with it. Whoever wins, we all lose.

Look at it like this. If these Natives would have been granted the 8 figure proposal they countered with, do you think they would be out here protesting?

Maybe, maybe not. I'm guessing they had their reasons for turning the offer down. But I'm never gonna side with people who are 1.) potentially poisoning an entire living area's water supply, 2.) getting hired goons to assault elderly women and children who are protesting.

All of our water supply has the potential for contamination. It's one of the things you deal with when you have services.

The problem here is this land and water supply is set aside for use by the tribe. It's not analogous to a neighborhood you and I live in.

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I'm guessing they use oil too.

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Apparently at least a couple of thousand vets (military, not doctors ... maybe some are doctors too, I don't know ... I didn't do the write-up on any of them) will be arriving to join the locals. A person could tire themselves out fairly quickly running back and forth thanking cops and vets for their respective service ... services? ... servicees? ... servii?? Anyway, I'm sure happy that we have a president-elect that, by his own admission, will steadfastly stand by veterans.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-north-dakota-pipeline-idUSKBN13Q53Y

U.S. military veterans were arriving on Thursday at a camp to join thousands of activists braving snow and freezing temperatures to protest a pipeline project near a Native American reservation in North Dakota.

However, other veterans in the state took exception to the efforts of the group organizing veterans to act as human shields for the protesters, saying the nature of the protests reflected poorly on the participants.

Protesters have spent months rallying against plans to route the $3.8 billion Dakota Access Pipeline beneath a lake near the Standing Rock Sioux reservation, saying it poses a threat to water resources and sacred Native American sites.

State officials on Monday ordered activists to vacate the Oceti Sakowin camp, located on U.S. Army Corps of Engineers land near Cannon Ball, North Dakota, citing harsh weather conditions. Officials said on Wednesday however that they will not actively enforce the order.

Matthew Crane, a 32-year-old Navy veteran who arrived three days ago, said the veterans joining the protest were "standing on the shoulders of Martin Luther King Jr and Gandhi" with the their plans to shield protesters.

"I bought a one-way ticket," he told Reuters as he worked to build a wooden shelter at the main camp. "Hopefully we can shut this down before Christmas."

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump on Thursday said for the first time that he supports the completion of the pipeline.

Trump's transition team also said Trump supported peaceful protests.

"We respect all Americans’ first amendment right to peacefully protest, and we hope that local and federal officials continue to give support to local law enforcement so they are able to continue to protect these protesters," said the Trump transition team's daily note sent to campaign supporters and congressional staff.

Meanwhile in West Fargo, North Dakota, several members of the North Dakota Veterans Coordinating Council, which represents five veterans organizations in the state, held a news conference to decry the involvement of veterans in a protest that has damaged property and asked veterans not to participate in the demonstration.

"We agree that it is our constitutional right to assemble and to peacefully protest," council President Russ Stabler told reporters at the West Fargo VFW Post 7564 building. "However, protests over the last 100-plus days in North Dakota have been less than peaceful.

"Participating in this kind of assembly even as a peaceful bystander or participant will only mar the image of the North Dakota veterans and the veterans of our nation," he added as he stood surrounded by about a dozen veterans from the region.

North Dakota Governor Jack Dalrymple on Wednesday told reporters it was "probably not feasible" to reroute the pipeline, but he would try to rebuild a relationship with Standing Rock Sioux leaders.

Dalrymple said state officials never contemplated forcibly removing protesters and his evacuation order was mainly due to concerns about inclement weather endangering people. Frigid weather makes some aspects of pipeline construction more difficult, engineers interviewed by Reuters said.

The Standing Rock Sioux, in a statement on Wednesday, said that because "the Governor of North Dakota and Sheriff of Morton County are relative newcomers" to the land, "it is understandable they would be concerned about severe winter weather."

They said the camp has adequate shelter to handle the cold weather, adding that the Great Sioux Nation has survived "in this region for millennia without the concerns of state or county governments."

The temperature in Cannon Ball is expected to fall to 6 degrees Fahrenheit (-14 Celsius) by the middle of next week, according to Weather.com forecasts.

Veterans Stand for Standing Rock, a contingent of more than 2,000 U.S. military veterans, intends to reach North Dakota by this weekend and form a human wall in front of police, protest organizers said on a Facebook page.

The 1,172-mile (1,885 km) pipeline project, owned by Texas-based Energy Transfer Partners LP, is mostly complete, except for a segment planned to run under Lake Oahe, a reservoir formed by a dam on the Missouri River.

Protesters, who refer to themselves as “water protectors,” have been gearing up for the winter while they await the Army Corps decision on whether to allow Energy Transfer Partners to tunnel under the river. That decision has been delayed twice by the Army Corps.

On Wednesday, the North Dakota Emergency Commission approved another $7 million to provide support for law enforcement who deployed to deal with protesters. The commission previously approved an additional $10 million in funds to cover the escalating costs of the protests.

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The Army shut it down. The protestors were clearly right here.

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Wow and it's like 98% complete. God I hate the federal government.

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Wow and it's like 98% complete. God I hate the federal government.


next time, start at the rez, don't finish there!

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Wow and it's like 98% complete. God I hate the federal government.


next time, start at the rez, don't finish there!


Next time don't invest in the U.S. is the lesson.

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Wow and it's like 98% complete. God I hate the federal government.


next time, start at the rez, don't finish there!


Next time don't invest in the U.S. is the lesson.

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denisdman wrote:
Wow and it's like 98% complete. God I hate the federal government.

WAH BUTTHURT

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Wow and it's like 98% complete. God I hate the federal government.

WAH BUTTHURT


One of our most competitive industries is being set back. And we really don't want oil going by rail as it is forced to do now.

Oh well. Canada is having the same debates about these things.

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I'm sorry cops didn't get to dismember more people.

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Wow and it's like 98% complete. God I hate the federal government.

WAH BUTTHURT


One of our most competitive industries is being set back. And we really don't want oil going by rail as it is forced to do now.

Oh well. Canada is having the same debates about these things.

I mean, they are rerouting it, correct?

The Saudi's bullshit interference sets back the oil industry far more than a different path for this pipeline ever will.

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I'm sorry cops didn't get to dismember more people.

Supposedly, she was standing too close to a homemade propane bomb. Who knows, really? The flash grenade story sure hits the feels more, tho.

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In the summer of 2012 I was making $1,500-$2000 a week and still had to sleep in a tent behind Williston Home & Lumber because there was absolutely no lodging anywhere for 15 miles. That improve?


Oh yeah, they finished constructing all these hotels right as the boom ended in mid 2015.

Actually, I think the trailer man camps were banned in some form. If you have company housing in Williston city limits it has to be apartments/town homes/ or extended stay hotels.

Also, fyi they closed down those two titty bars downtown. Sad day.

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Jbi11s wrote:
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Wow and it's like 98% complete. God I hate the federal government.

WAH BUTTHURT


One of our most competitive industries is being set back. And we really don't want oil going by rail as it is forced to do now.

Oh well. Canada is having the same debates about these things.

I mean, they are rerouting it, correct?

The Saudi's bullshit interference sets back the oil industry far more than a different path for this pipeline ever will.

How dare you speak in any way against corporate petroleum income potential.

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What is the deal with this thing?

Is this a big deal or is this just another Facebook slacktivism thing?

Seems like this is what the Berniebros on my timeline have latched onto.

Should us normal people care?


A pipeline leak has spilled tens of thousands of gallons of crude oil into a North Dakota creek roughly two and a half hours from Cannon Ball, where protesters are camped out in opposition to the Dakota Access pipeline.

Members of the Standing Rock Sioux and other tribes, as well as environmentalists from around the country, have fought the pipeline project on the grounds that it crosses beneath a lake that provides drinking water to native Americans. They say the route beneath Lake Oahe puts the water source in jeopardy and would destroy sacred land.



https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/pipe ... 37222.html

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Those people are behind it.

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If you look at it from the protest angle big oil could potentially seriously contaminate the drinking water of an entire Reservation. The chances of this are so minimal tho.

womp womp

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Let's shut down every oil pipeline! That will work out great!

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Trump signed order for completion. Also, one for construction of Keystone XL pipeline.

Hopefully everyone bought energy stock before Trump's victory.


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Trump signed order for completion. Also, one for construction of Keystone XL pipeline.

Hopefully everyone bought energy stock before Trump's victory.


Excellent! The alternative to oil transport via pipeline is on rail, and it's much more dangerous by rail.

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Trump signed order for completion. Also, one for construction of Keystone XL pipeline.

Hopefully everyone bought energy stock before Trump's victory.


Excellent!


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Except I am disappointed in Trump for dumping TPP. It's going to be about 75%/25% (happy/sad) on his policies from what I can tell. I am near 100% against the way he communicates with the public.

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So gas should be 1.49 on the way home with this oil windfall coming right? :lol:


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