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Russia knew that Hillary was so scandal tainted all they had to do was throw another log on the fire to get things really cooking! Hillary had a 92% chance of winning at one point (polls). They didn't care about Trump, he was never going to win.



Trump support was strong. Look at the strength of his support from people on here that didn't vote for him. Now juxtapose it with the amount of support that he received from people that did.

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Russia knew that Hillary was so scandal tainted all they had to do was throw another log on the fire to get things really cooking! Hillary had a 92% chance of winning at one point (polls). They didn't care about Trump, he was never going to win.



Trump support was strong. Look at the strength of his support from people on here that didn't vote for him. Now juxtapose it with the amount of support that he received from people that did.
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All you people thinking HRC would be this tough guy against Russia seem to forget she brokered the deal for Russia to gain control over our Uranium deposits when she was SOS. The Russians hacked the DNC and released it, so that shows they favored Trump,okay. The Saudis gave the Clinton Foundation Millions. So did the government of Mexico. So I would say they favored her, but that is okay I guess.
How much was the Chinese contribution to the Clinton foundation? Over $5 million for just one donor. That is one of the main reason the Foundation is being investigated. but that is okay.
Russia probably hacked both sides but they did not release information they had that would damage the guy they would rather have in their, so they choose not to get that much more involved. We got to stop like we are all innocent ,we interfere in other countries elections all the time. Now someone got caught doing it to us. Plus, what about all the lobbyists that work D.C. and ply Congressmen and Senators with cash and gifts to help out their clients,some of them Nations States?
All this is one more attempt by the left to not accept that the American people did not choose their pick for President. Anyone notice that in the recounts Trump is seeming to be getting more votes?


The Clintons have been the most investigated group in politics over the past 25 years. Not close. They have never been found guilty of anything. As far as the Clinton Foundation goes it doesn't survive without rich donors. If they have influenced policy then your argument is legit. I don't know of one instance in which it has. As far as the Saudis go they are our allies remember. Same with China. Russia isn't and they have a leader that commits War crimes, ignores agreements, and overthrows govts. He also has never stopped fighting the Cold War.

As far as the Uranium stuff goes that is legit but it's one thing to do a deal but it is another to be an ally. It is also quite another thing to have a leader that is allowed to influence your govt. From the Campaign Manager to now the Exxon Mobile guy you cant ignore this.


China is not our friend. Their entire military is aimed at going after us. They have a single weapon system designed just to kill our carriers. WTF is the matter with you man? If I remember correctly it does not matter who you are spying for, friend or foe if you are caught you go to jail. Ask the guys who got caught spying for the Israelis or the guys caught up in ABSCAM.
True not been found guilty, yet. There is a major investigation going on into the Foundation right now. With a non-friendly administration going into the White house and a non friendly Congress we may eventually see some heads roll.

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The real question is not if there was any Russian interference, but whether the interference had an effect on the outcome. If not, then the only point (besides taking steps to assure there are no future outside influences) is simply to undermine the elected president. And is there really any doubt that for many people that is the end game?


We are now to the point where we acknowledge Russian interference in our election but kind of shrug our shoulders and say "what does it matter".

Scary what MANY people will accept.


That's not right. I assume outsiders try to influence the U.S. all the time. I doubt this was the first time. The point here is that the story is not being played as a way to prevent something from happening in the future, but rather as a way to undermine an incoming president.

What do you think should be done? Should we assume that without Russian assistance Clinton would have won and install her in office? What do you want to happen?


No one wants Hillary to become president. That would destroy our system. I don't think it is unreasonable to acknowledge what happened and take steps to prevent these things from happening in the future.

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All you people thinking HRC would be this tough guy against Russia seem to forget she brokered the deal for Russia to gain control over our Uranium deposits when she was SOS.


What do you mean "you people"?

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The Russians hacked the DNC and released it, so that shows they favored Trump,okay. The Saudis gave the Clinton Foundation Millions. So did the government of Mexico. So I would say they favored her, but that is okay I guess.


No foreign influence is good. None of it is okay.

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How much was the Chinese contribution to the Clinton foundation? Over $5 million for just one donor. That is one of the main reason the Foundation is being investigated. but that is okay.


See above.

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Russia probably hacked both sides but they did not release information they had that would damage the guy they would rather have in their, so they choose not to get that much more involved. We got to stop like we are all innocent ,we interfere in other countries elections all the time. Now someone got caught doing it to us.


We are America pal. We get to do whatever we want. But that shit don't fly when it happens to US.

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Plus, what about all the lobbyists that work D.C. and ply Congressmen and Senators with cash and gifts to help out their clients,some of them Nations States?


I don't think you'll get much opposition to the idea that Congress is filled with terrible people.

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All this is one more attempt by the left to not accept that the American people did not choose their pick for President. Anyone notice that in the recounts Trump is seeming to be getting more votes?


The left is filled with MANY crybabies. But why are you accepting of foreign intervention in our elections? We are supposed to be a SUPERPOWER. Why don't you believe in American Exceptionalism?

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The Obama administration leaked classified info to directly undermine the next President. That's cool.


What information was leaked by the Obama administration? The FBI and CIA briefed our elected officials and those officials did what they normally do.

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Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The real question is not if there was any Russian interference, but whether the interference had an effect on the outcome. If not, then the only point (besides taking steps to assure there are no future outside influences) is simply to undermine the elected president. And is there really any doubt that for many people that is the end game?


We are now to the point where we acknowledge Russian interference in our election but kind of shrug our shoulders and say "what does it matter".

Scary what MANY people will accept.


That's not right. I assume outsiders try to influence the U.S. all the time. I doubt this was the first time. The point here is that the story is not being played as a way to prevent something from happening in the future, but rather as a way to undermine an incoming president.

What do you think should be done? Should we assume that without Russian assistance Clinton would have won and install her in office? What do you want to happen?


No one wants Hillary to become president. That would destroy our system. I don't think it is unreasonable to acknowledge what happened and take steps to prevent these things from happening in the future.


Um then what would you call the fucking recounts? Or the petitions calling for electors not to vote for Trump ? or the CIA dope I saw on CNN calling for it along with a bunch of morons along with him complaining that HRC won the popular therefore she should be president?

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All you people thinking HRC would be this tough guy against Russia seem to forget she brokered the deal for Russia to gain control over our Uranium deposits when she was SOS.


What do you mean "you people"?

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The Russians hacked the DNC and released it, so that shows they favored Trump,okay. The Saudis gave the Clinton Foundation Millions. So did the government of Mexico. So I would say they favored her, but that is okay I guess.


No foreign influence is good. None of it is okay.

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How much was the Chinese contribution to the Clinton foundation? Over $5 million for just one donor. That is one of the main reason the Foundation is being investigated. but that is okay.


See above.

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Russia probably hacked both sides but they did not release information they had that would damage the guy they would rather have in their, so they choose not to get that much more involved. We got to stop like we are all innocent ,we interfere in other countries elections all the time. Now someone got caught doing it to us.


We are America pal. We get to do whatever we want. But that shit don't fly when it happens to US.

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Plus, what about all the lobbyists that work D.C. and ply Congressmen and Senators with cash and gifts to help out their clients,some of them Nations States?


I don't think you'll get much opposition to the idea that Congress is filled with terrible people.

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All this is one more attempt by the left to not accept that the American people did not choose their pick for President. Anyone notice that in the recounts Trump is seeming to be getting more votes?


The left is filled with MANY crybabies. But why are you accepting of foreign intervention in our elections? We are supposed to be a SUPERPOWER. Why don't you believe in American Exceptionalism?


I don't think it is right. Or did you notice my other posts or my statements in that post where I said we should not be shocked whe nit happens to us after we have meddled in others for as long and often as we have.

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We are AMERICA.

We do what we want.

But that shit don't fly when you try and turn the TABLE.

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The Obama administration leaked classified info to directly undermine the next President. That's cool.


What information was leaked by the Obama administration? The FBI and CIA briefed our elected officials and those officials did what they normally do.


How many times to you want me to show you the NYT article that broke the news? Do you want me to come over and read it to you? :lol:

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Obama should have laid out the cards before the election (some info did indeed come out, not sure if any of it was official and on the record). Should have said it appears a foreign state is attempting to interfere with our election process and that CIA, FBI, NSA, etc are working together to find out exactly what happened. We will update when the investigation is completed.


I agree. I understand why they didn't do it though.

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The overseers of the U.S. intelligence community have not embraced a CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, three American officials said on Monday.

While the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) does not dispute the CIA's analysis of Russian hacking operations, it has not endorsed their assessment because of a lack of conclusive evidence that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, said the officials, who declined to be named.

The position of the ODNI, which oversees the 17 agency-strong U.S. intelligence community, could give Trump fresh ammunition to dispute the CIA assessment, which he rejected as "ridiculous" in weekend remarks, and press his assertion that no evidence implicates Russia in the cyber attacks.

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And down the narrative rabbit hole we go...

What was "interfered" with?
How was it "interfered" with?
Who "interfered" with it.
What was "hacked."


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The Obama administration leaked classified info to directly undermine the next President. That's cool.


What information was leaked by the Obama administration? The FBI and CIA briefed our elected officials and those officials did what they normally do.


How many times to you want me to show you the NYT article that broke the news? Do you want me to come over and read it to you? :lol:

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Russia clearly had some effect on the election. We knew it at the time.

It's amazing Hillary and the Democrats couldn't overcome that well known fact.


Hillary was a terrible candidate and ran terrible campaign after terrible campaign. They routinely underestimated their opponents and she lost primarily because of this. Russia helped Trump but unless they hacked voting machines or got Director Comey to make that statement (days before an election) they didn't change the outcome.

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The overseers of the U.S. intelligence community have not embraced a CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, three American officials said on Monday.

While the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) does not dispute the CIA's analysis of Russian hacking operations, it has not endorsed their assessment because of a lack of conclusive evidence that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, said the officials, who declined to be named.

The position of the ODNI, which oversees the 17 agency-strong U.S. intelligence community, could give Trump fresh ammunition to dispute the CIA assessment, which he rejected as "ridiculous" in weekend remarks, and press his assertion that no evidence implicates Russia in the cyber attacks.



Is this your proof? Maybe you need someone to read these things to you my friend. Our intelligence community briefed our elected representatives and they started sharing with the press. There is NOTHING that you posted that says the Obama administration leaked information.

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no that is something new

this is old news:

WASHINGTON — American intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald J. Trump, according to senior administration officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/ob ... -hack.html

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no that is something new

this is old news:

WASHINGTON — American intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald J. Trump, according to senior administration officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/ob ... -hack.html


Thank you. I was wrong. Our elected officials leaked the same stuff to the Washington Post.

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Reuters

The overseers of the U.S. intelligence community have not embraced a CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, three American officials said on Monday.

While the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) does not dispute the CIA's analysis of Russian hacking operations, it has not endorsed their assessment because of a lack of conclusive evidence that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, said the officials, who declined to be named.

The position of the ODNI, which oversees the 17 agency-strong U.S. intelligence community, could give Trump fresh ammunition to dispute the CIA assessment, which he rejected as "ridiculous" in weekend remarks, and press his assertion that no evidence implicates Russia in the cyber attacks.



Is this your proof? Maybe you need someone to read these things to you my friend. Our intelligence community briefed our elected representatives and they started sharing with the press. There is NOTHING that you posted that says the Obama administration leaked information.


Did the Russians maybe release information that was detrimental to HRC maybe. They at least where covert about it. The fucking Mexican government went official in going after Trump and plugging for HRC but that is okay

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The overseers of the U.S. intelligence community have not embraced a CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, three American officials said on Monday.

While the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) does not dispute the CIA's analysis of Russian hacking operations, it has not endorsed their assessment because of a lack of conclusive evidence that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, said the officials, who declined to be named.

The position of the ODNI, which oversees the 17 agency-strong U.S. intelligence community, could give Trump fresh ammunition to dispute the CIA assessment, which he rejected as "ridiculous" in weekend remarks, and press his assertion that no evidence implicates Russia in the cyber attacks.



Is this your proof? Maybe you need someone to read these things to you my friend. Our intelligence community briefed our elected representatives and they started sharing with the press. There is NOTHING that you posted that says the Obama administration leaked information.


Did the Russians maybe release information that was detrimental to HRC maybe. They at least where covert about it. The fucking Mexican government went official in going after Trump and plugging for HRC but that is okay

In fairness to the Mexicans, Trump was being very nasty to them.

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All you people thinking HRC would be this tough guy against Russia seem to forget she brokered the deal for Russia to gain control over our Uranium deposits when she was SOS. The Russians hacked the DNC and released it, so that shows they favored Trump,okay. The Saudis gave the Clinton Foundation Millions. So did the government of Mexico. So I would say they favored her, but that is okay I guess.
How much was the Chinese contribution to the Clinton foundation? Over $5 million for just one donor. That is one of the main reason the Foundation is being investigated. but that is okay.
Russia probably hacked both sides but they did not release information they had that would damage the guy they would rather have in their, so they choose not to get that much more involved. We got to stop like we are all innocent ,we interfere in other countries elections all the time. Now someone got caught doing it to us. Plus, what about all the lobbyists that work D.C. and ply Congressmen and Senators with cash and gifts to help out their clients,some of them Nations States?
All this is one more attempt by the left to not accept that the American people did not choose their pick for President. Anyone notice that in the recounts Trump is seeming to be getting more votes?


The Clintons have been the most investigated group in politics over the past 25 years. Not close. They have never been found guilty of anything. As far as the Clinton Foundation goes it doesn't survive without rich donors. If they have influenced policy then your argument is legit. I don't know of one instance in which it has. As far as the Saudis go they are our allies remember. Same with China. Russia isn't and they have a leader that commits War crimes, ignores agreements, and overthrows govts. He also has never stopped fighting the Cold War.

As far as the Uranium stuff goes that is legit but it's one thing to do a deal but it is another to be an ally. It is also quite another thing to have a leader that is allowed to influence your govt. From the Campaign Manager to now the Exxon Mobile guy you cant ignore this.


China is not our friend. Their entire military is aimed at going after us. They have a single weapon system designed just to kill our carriers. WTF is the matter with you man? If I remember correctly it does not matter who you are spying for, friend or foe if you are caught you go to jail. Ask the guys who got caught spying for the Israelis or the guys caught up in ABSCAM.
True not been found guilty, yet. There is a major investigation going on into the Foundation right now. With a non-friendly administration going into the White house and a non friendly Congress we may eventually see some heads roll.



China not our friend? Nixon's visit changed that. You have to stop reading all of the conspiracy stuff. China isn't trying to war with the U.S. They will if necessary. That is different

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Or Nikita Koloff?

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Reuters

The overseers of the U.S. intelligence community have not embraced a CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, three American officials said on Monday.

While the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) does not dispute the CIA's analysis of Russian hacking operations, it has not endorsed their assessment because of a lack of conclusive evidence that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, said the officials, who declined to be named.

The position of the ODNI, which oversees the 17 agency-strong U.S. intelligence community, could give Trump fresh ammunition to dispute the CIA assessment, which he rejected as "ridiculous" in weekend remarks, and press his assertion that no evidence implicates Russia in the cyber attacks.



Is this your proof? Maybe you need someone to read these things to you my friend. Our intelligence community briefed our elected representatives and they started sharing with the press. There is NOTHING that you posted that says the Obama administration leaked information.


Did the Russians maybe release information that was detrimental to HRC maybe. They at least where covert about it. The fucking Mexican government went official in going after Trump and plugging for HRC but that is okay

In fairness to the Mexicans, Trump was being very nasty to them.


Well then in all fairness to the Russians the Democrats where being very nasty to them.

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no that is something new

this is old news:

WASHINGTON — American intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald J. Trump, according to senior administration officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/ob ... -hack.html


Thank you. I was wrong. Our elected officials leaked the same stuff to the Washington Post.


:lol:

All this bluster and no one can even say what exactly the Russians did. And even if they could there isn't any evidence to support the claim.

Of course, none of that is the point


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no that is something new

this is old news:

WASHINGTON — American intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald J. Trump, according to senior administration officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/ob ... -hack.html


Thank you. I was wrong. Our elected officials leaked the same stuff to the Washington Post.


:lol:

All this bluster and no one can even say what exactly the Russians did. And even if they could there isn't any evidence to support the claim.

Of course, none of that is the point


Evidence was given to our elected representatives.

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no that is something new

this is old news:

WASHINGTON — American intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald J. Trump, according to senior administration officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/ob ... -hack.html


Thank you. I was wrong. Our elected officials leaked the same stuff to the Washington Post.


:lol:

All this bluster and no one can even say what exactly the Russians did. And even if they could there isn't any evidence to support the claim.

Of course, none of that is the point


Add SomeGuy to the "Hates America" list with JORR and chas.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:36 pm 
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SomeGuy wrote:
Nas wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
no that is something new

this is old news:

WASHINGTON — American intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald J. Trump, according to senior administration officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/ob ... -hack.html


Thank you. I was wrong. Our elected officials leaked the same stuff to the Washington Post.


:lol:

All this bluster and no one can even say what exactly the Russians did. And even if they could there isn't any evidence to support the claim.

Of course, none of that is the point


Evidence was given to our elected representatives.


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Is that the anonymous, unnamed, unverifiable elected official? Evidence of what, pertaining to what? What did they actually attempt to do? No one knows.....but over here in critical thought land we see a statement that says the DNI sees no actual evidence that links the Kremlin to anything. This statement is also first placed in the WaPo article....the media and MANY on here ignored that one.

So what plant a story in the WaPo and NYT using anonymous and verifiable sources that shapes a false narrative?

Putin doesn't need am army of cyborg hackers when he's got the media, our Obama admin and many in Congress to do the work for him. You ever think this is exactly what the Russians wanted? To plant stories and chum the waters and let us do the discredting and devaluing and damage to our democratic institutions?

He is sitting in the Kremlin, eying the Blatic states and laughing his ass off.

And no one has been better for Russia and her allies than the last 8 years of the Obama admin. Clinton was to be the extension of that. Why switch?


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And down the narrative rabbit hole we go...

What was "interfered" with?
How was it "interfered" with?
Who "interfered" with it.
What was "hacked."



Did you ask similar questions of Sanders supporters? Or is this sort of inquisition merely reserved for Hillary types?

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