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Not even to mention the false polling operations and promoting Clinton as unbeatable.


As long as we're looking at the undue influences on our elections, we should probably investigate globally, i.e. fake news, Russian hacks, and also whether the pollsters actually got it wrong or if the purposely pout out bad numbers in an attempt to influence the election.

Should we start with James Comey?


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Guess who also worked for CNN? Corey Lewandowski. Brazile wasn't a reporter. Whatever she may have done has absolutely nothing to do with journalism . The media did Hillary no favors.

The pollsters got it right when it came to the final national score. Everyone got the states wrong including the Trump campaign.



The LA Times poll had it dead on for weeks prior.

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Not even to mention the false polling operations and promoting Clinton as unbeatable.


As long as we're looking at the undue influences on our elections, we should probably investigate globally, i.e. fake news, Russian hacks, and also whether the pollsters actually got it wrong or if the purposely pout out bad numbers in an attempt to influence the election.

Should we start with James Comey?


We can.

Seriously, do you think that Comey was trying to influence the election or cover his ass with Congress? It seems like a partisan ping pong match to me. When he "cleared" her in the first place the Republicans were screaming. When the shit showed up on Weiner's computer and he reopened the case it was the Dems turn to scream.

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Guess who also worked for CNN? Corey Lewandowski. Brazile wasn't a reporter. Whatever she may have done has absolutely nothing to do with journalism . The media did Hillary no favors.

The pollsters got it right when it came to the final national score. Everyone got the states wrong including the Trump campaign.



The LA Times poll had it dead on for weeks prior.


No they didn't. They has Trump winning the popular vote by 2 or 3 points and he lost by 2 or 3 points.

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MANY around here need to brush up on learning about the concepts of treason and sedition.



We live in a nation founded on sedition. #FreeSnowden

So ending it the same way is logical and therefore ok?



That's a complicated question. Is Tall Midget around?

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Guess who also worked for CNN? Corey Lewandowski. Brazile wasn't a reporter. Whatever she may have done has absolutely nothing to do with journalism . The media did Hillary no favors.

The pollsters got it right when it came to the final national score. Everyone got the states wrong including the Trump campaign.



The LA Times poll had it dead on for weeks prior.


Clinton won 48% - 46%.

LA Times had it Trump 47% - 44% over Clinton.

Definitely dead on.

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Guess who also worked for CNN? Corey Lewandowski. Brazile wasn't a reporter. Whatever she may have done has absolutely nothing to do with journalism . The media did Hillary no favors.

The pollsters got it right when it came to the final national score. Everyone got the states wrong including the Trump campaign.



The LA Times poll had it dead on for weeks prior.

So why has Mango Mussolini been afraid to come out of his cloistered tower and actually answer questions except on Fox or (for simpletons) Twitter?

No press conference since July when he welcomed Russian hacking

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Not even to mention the false polling operations and promoting Clinton as unbeatable.


As long as we're looking at the undue influences on our elections, we should probably investigate globally, i.e. fake news, Russian hacks, and also whether the pollsters actually got it wrong or if the purposely pout out bad numbers in an attempt to influence the election.

Should we start with James Comey?


We can.

Seriously, do you think that Comey was trying to influence the election or cover his ass with Congress? It seems like a partisan ping pong match to me. When he "cleared" her in the first place the Republicans were screaming. When the shit showed up on Weiner's computer and he reopened the case it was the Dems turn to scream.


To answer your questions, yes and yes. I wasn't kidding when I said he should be charged under the Hatch Act. It's growing more apparent by the day, imho.

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I am not a Snowden fan. I am simply saying I think what came out during the election and whatever he did/does/knows is different than what Assange has/had/dumped. It would be my assumption that what he would help Russia with would be for them to thwart how we get into their stuff. Either way to try to debate Snowden in this thread about this subject distracts IMHO.
Well, Snowden is clearly helping them with something. There are others that also helped them.

The point though is that you can't decry the evil actions of our government and then live a nice life living with and working for another government that is doing things that are arguably worse.


Ok but as I said I would rather avoid clouding this thread about Wiki/Assange with Snowden.


All these people are tied into this story.


You're just making stuff up. You're like the Alex Jones of CFMB.

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He doesn't answer anything. The media did Hillary no favors. Donna Brazile isn't the media.


SHE WORKED FOR CNN. She gave debate questions to Hillary. I have to believe you're trolling here. The leaks tell us that the media worked 100% with the DNC/Clinton Campaign. Your whole argument is based off of the media giving Trump free press during the nomination and partly the election cycle. Guess what....they sold their collective souls in two ways, gave Trump free press (but also hammered away at him every chance they got) for the money and ratings but they also did it because they were working with the DNC/Clinton campaign to execute the Pied Piper Strategy as laid out by the DNC/Clinton Campaign.

Not even to mention the false polling operations and promoting Clinton as unbeatable. Or mass amounts of "journalists" and media execs having meetings/dinners/strategy sessions with the DNC/Clinton campaign to go over talking points, campaign direction and how to cover Republicans...or what questions to ask Republicans during an interview...or the ones that sent articles and stories in to be "vetted" by the campaign....and that's not all....wait, there is also the issue of colluding against Bernie Sanders. Or Debbie Wasserman Schultz having sit downs with the BBC newsroom...and a bunch of other stuff. Sure seems like they did more than a favor or two for her. Oh, and Clinton tried to get a morning news show host and MSNBC pulled off the air.

With the facts that we know about what went down....for you to sit here and say they didn't do her any favors is ridiculous. The facts simply don't support your argument.

Nas' corner, Please throw in the towel already. Live to fight another day! I don't want to see him go out like this after such a storied career. He's got kids!

Ref?

Ref?

Where' the fucking ref!

STOP THIS MASSACRE, REF!

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Someguy answers your question above.


He doesn't answer anything. The media did Hillary no favors. Donna Brazile isn't the media.


SHE WORKED FOR CNN. She gave debate questions to Hillary. I have to believe you're trolling here. The leaks tell us that the media worked 100% with the DNC/Clinton Campaign. Your whole argument is based off of the media giving Trump free press during the nomination and partly the election cycle. Guess what....they sold their collective souls in two ways, gave Trump free press (but also hammered away at him every chance they got) for the money and ratings but they also did it because they were working with the DNC/Clinton campaign to execute the Pied Piper Strategy as laid out by the DNC/Clinton Campaign.

Not even to mention the false polling operations and promoting Clinton as unbeatable. Or mass amounts of "journalists" and media execs having meetings/dinners/strategy sessions with the DNC/Clinton campaign to go over talking points, campaign direction and how to cover Republicans...or what questions to ask Republicans during an interview...or the ones that sent articles and stories in to be "vetted" by the campaign....and that's not all....wait, there is also the issue of colluding against Bernie Sanders. Or Debbie Wasserman Schultz having sit downs with the BBC newsroom...and a bunch of other stuff. Sure seems like they did more than a favor or two for her. Oh, and Clinton tried to get a morning news show host and MSNBC pulled off the air.

With the facts that we know about what went down....for you to sit here and say they didn't do her any favors is ridiculous. The facts simply don't support your argument.


You forgot NBC hiring Chelsea Clinton for half a million to do basically nothing fluff part time.


And Trump is still drawing a check for a no show job.

Trump is much smarter than you will ever be.

That is not an insult.

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MANY around here need to brush up on learning about the concepts of treason and sedition.



We live in a nation founded on sedition. #FreeSnowden


:lol:

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The media did Hillary no favors.

Oh, Nas, you're so silly.

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NBC broke a story this AM about Putin being personally involved in hacking efforts. Author was on NPR Morning Edition. Said there was no evidence Putin was trying to hep Trump. NPR guy was like "OK, we don't have time to get into that....how exactly did you find out about Putin hacking emails to help Trumps campaign." :lol:

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/15/505658462 ... ws-reports

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NBC broke a story this AM about Putin being personally involved in hacking efforts. Author was on NPR Morning Edition. Said there was no evidence Putin was trying to hep Trump. NPR guy was like "OK, we don't have time to get into that....how exactly did you find out about Putin hacking emails to help Trumps campaign." :lol:

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/15/505658462 ... ws-reports


Nothing to see here....

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Which epithet do we all prefer for that fine broadcaster: National Public Relations, National Pentagon Radio, National Public Raytheon, or Nice Polite Republicans?

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This is one of those things that you sit back and think, "Hey, you know what would be really fucked up..." and then it actually happens.


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I think we have learned that, in these times, only a true fool dives in to eat the steaming hot mainstream meal that is placed before them.

People seem to be "wishing" things true, and it is insane.

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Jesus God in the morning.

You know, I'm considering a compromise ... I'll agree to a test for and then a list of Muslims IF concurrently we test for and subsequently make a list of folks with an IQ under 100 and whatever is done with one group must also be done equally to the other.

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I think we have learned that, in these times, only a true fool dives in to eat the steaming hot mainstream meal that is placed before them.

People seem to be "wishing" things true, and it is insane.

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Like when you constantly state as fact that Trump will be the greatest president ever?

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NBC broke a story this AM about Putin being personally involved in hacking efforts. Author was on NPR Morning Edition. Said there was no evidence Putin was trying to hep Trump. NPR guy was like "OK, we don't have time to get into that....how exactly did you find out about Putin hacking emails to help Trumps campaign." :lol:

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/15/505658462 ... ws-reports



Huh? That's not what was said at all...

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NBC broke a story this AM about Putin being personally involved in hacking efforts. Author was on NPR Morning Edition. Said there was no evidence Putin was trying to hep Trump. NPR guy was like "OK, we don't have time to get into that....how exactly did you find out about Putin hacking emails to help Trumps campaign." :lol:

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/15/505658462 ... ws-reports



Huh? That's not what was said at all...


Shots fired behind fake news! :lol:

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I think we have learned that, in these times, only a true fool dives in to eat the steaming hot mainstream meal that is placed before them.

People seem to be "wishing" things true, and it is insane.

:lol:
Like when you constantly state as fact that Trump will be the greatest president ever?

That IS a fucking fact, dude.

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A few months ago we suggested that President Obama might want to take action against Russia for waging cyberwarfare against the USA. Russia has been hacking into the American system for years, and Mr. Obama has done nothing about it. Now the situation has reached critical mass because Hillary Clinton lost the presidential election.

And as we all know, WikiLeaks embarrassed the Clinton campaign by making public hacked emails that showed some members of the press secretly helping Mrs. Clinton and other embarrassing facts. Before that Democrats really didn't care much about Russian hacking. Now they do.

The CIA and the FBI both agree that Russia is involved with breaching U.S. cyber security. The CIA says it's because they wanted to influence the U.S. election. The FBI says it does not know the motive. But it really doesn't matter, does it? If Russian officials are hacking into American systems, that is cyberwarfare.

Enter Donald Trump, who says he does not believe the Russians did anything to influence the presidential vote. He says the Democrats are just trying to trot out another excuse for losing. Okay, his opinion; he's entitled to it. But it might be better if the president-elect avoids the issue all together. Mr. Trump has nothing to gain here.

Again, this happened on President Obama's watch and he is responsible for holding the Russians responsible. Going forward, President Trump will have to deal with cyberwarfare, but right now he should sit this thing out.

On another serious note, President-elect Trump is now engaged in a war of words with China. Mr. Trump telling Chris Wallace the "one China" policy, whereby the USA recognizes the Beijing government as the sole authority where Taiwan is involved, might not be a good thing. China doesn't like that. Again, it might be better if Mr. Trump postpones this confrontation until he is in office and fully briefed on the consequences of a war of words with the Chinese. Plenty of time to make deals with China, why tee them off now?

Finally, Donald Trump's appointments. To me they look fine. It's not like any of the cabinet members have tremendous power; they don't. They do what they are told to do, and all the people appointed so far have skill and experience.

Fox News is now reporting that the CEO of Exxon, Rex Tillerson, is Trump's pick for secretary of state. I have never met Mr. Tillerson, know little about him, although reports are he has a good relationship with Vladimir Putin. Maybe Tillerson can neutralize Putin's bad behavior. That would be a great thing. I expect Mr. Tillerson to be confirmed in the Senate.

Summing up, Russian hacking happened, President Obama should have dealt with it. He did not. If it continues, President Trump will have to.

On China, let's all take it easy.

On Trump's appointments, they look good to Americans with no ideological axe.

This has been the No-Spin Zone on The Factor.

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This is why you are the number one cable news show for like 16 years.

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A recent poll showed 40% of Republicans support Vladimir Putin. There aren't 20% of Republicans that approve of President Obama. You have to start to question the patriotism of MANY when you see polls like this.

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Was anything they leaked not true?

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