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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:45 am 
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Target is wishing people Merry Christmas.


I heard that. It seems weird to me that people were ever told not to. I do not think saying Merry Christmas is automatically hateful to Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and Atheists. At worst, it is just neglectful of other holidays.

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There was this old guy at Jewel working as a cashier last holiday season and after every customer paid he said "Merry Christmas".

The way he said it though had me laughing. He did it in a " fuck you, I'm a proud Christian" kind of way, standing up straight, with his head held up high and a stern look on his face.

He was doing his part for the war.


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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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Seems like some people believe removing religious symbols from government property is a War on Christmas

I don't agree with that


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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
It's over.

Target is wishing people Merry Christmas.


I heard that. It seems weird to me that people were ever told not to. I do not think saying Merry Christmas is automatically hateful to Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and Atheists. At worst, it is just neglectful of other holidays.
Happy Holidays is more inclusive. There is no reason for anyone to get mad at it.

"Merry Christmas" is not hateful but there is no reason for anyone to get upset that people didn't say "Merry Christmas". That is where this whole thing comes from.

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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:51 am 
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Has anyone ever taken issue with you saying Merry Christmas?


No, but what does that have to do with anything?

Are you serious? That's usually the first thing brought up in the War on Christmas discussions.

What does "The War on Christmas" mean to you? How was it lost?


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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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Has anyone ever taken issue with you saying Merry Christmas?


No, but what does that have to do with anything?

Are you serious? That's usually the first thing brought up in the War on Christmas discussions.

What does "The War on Christmas" mean to you? How was it lost?
Hatchetman is going to call you a bigot!

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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

"Merry Christmas" is not hateful but there is no reason for anyone to get upset that people didn't say "Merry Christmas". That is where this whole thing comes from.


Yeah, I don't quite understand why people get a bug up their ass over that...

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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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"Holidays" include Hanukkah, Ramadan, Christmas and Kwanzaa.

Being inclusive is really discriminatory.

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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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Greed won the war on Christmas...started late 1800s, probably finished it off after WWII.

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This is the Christmas season.

If you don't like it, move to Russia.

or wait for Russia to take over the US through election manipulations.

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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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The ironic part with the "Keep Christ in Christmas" is that Christmas was actually an idea stolen from the pagans and others.

I had to laugh at this. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081102155529AA2FR6L

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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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Greed won the war on Christmas...started late 1800s, probably finished it off after WWII.
Now greed on the other hand may have been invented by the church!

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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Greed won the war on Christmas...started late 1800s, probably finished it off after WWII.
Now greed on the other hand may have been invented by the church!


Perhaps, but it was railed against strongly by Jesus. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.

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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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Hockey Gay wrote:
There was this old guy at Jewel working as a cashier last holiday season and after every customer paid he said "Merry Christmas".

The way he said it though had me laughing. He did it in a " fuck you, I'm a proud Christian" kind of way, standing up straight, with his head held up high and a stern look on his face.

He was doing his part for the war.

Yep. The angry Merry Christmas. Co worker regales us with stories of IN YOUR FACE Merry Christmas wishes


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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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Hatchetman wrote:
Greed won the war on Christmas...started late 1800s, probably finished it off after WWII.

I'm gonna ask you to step out of your comfort zone and type a longer post truly expressing your thoughts on this.


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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The ironic part with the "Keep Christ in Christmas" is that Christmas was actually an idea stolen from the pagans and others.

I had to laugh at this. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081102155529AA2FR6L

I do remember seeing someone upset at the "Xmas" instead of Christmas thing.

Seems like wasted energy but I kinda see the point


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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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I'm gonna ask you to step out of your comfort zone and type a longer post truly expressing your thoughts on this.


commercialism. back in the day you'd get the day off and go to church and have dinner with family and get an orange if you are lucky. Celebrate the birth of Jesus! yay! Go back to work the next day.

now the average family spends thousands of dollars on crap that nobody needs to support the Chinese communists! yay Xmas!

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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:23 am 
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Hatchetman wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I'm gonna ask you to step out of your comfort zone and type a longer post truly expressing your thoughts on this.


commercialism. back in the day you'd get the day off and go to church and have dinner with family and get an orange if you are lucky. Celebrate the birth of Jesus! yay! Go back to work the next day.

now the average family spends thousands of dollars on crap that nobody needs to support the Chinese communists! yay Xmas!

Good stuff

Were talking about different wars but good


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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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well once you lost the war I'm talking about who cares what you call it?

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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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Hatchetman wrote:
well once you lost the war I'm talking about who cares what you call it?

Good point


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I can't even been to understand how deep somebody's mental problems must be to suggest that there is a war on Christmas.

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 Post subject: Re: The War on Christmas
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I can't even been to understand how deep somebody's mental problems must be to suggest that there is a war on Christmas.


I'm still wrapping my head around what mentality it takes to try to assault a pizzeria to break up a child sex ring like your some redneck version of Liam Neeson from Taken.

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Remember what happened in towns all across America after the 9/11 terrorist attacks? U.S. flags were scooped off shelves and began flying everywhere — porches, storefronts and even car windows.

The message to America’s enemies was clear: “Our resolve is way stronger than your hatred.”

A similar phenomenon has occurred in one Indiana town after the American Civil Liberties Union sued it — over a cross sitting atop the town’s Christmas tree.

Now many in the 2,100-strong burg of Knightstown are fighting back.

In defense of the cross display, hundreds of residents placed crosses in their yards, stores, windows — and, yes, their cars.

“I just thought we should rebel some way or let him know how we feel,” resident Patricia Hutson told WXIN-TV.

It was Hutson’s idea to make over 200 wooden crosses and give them out for free, the station said — and by the time a vigil supporting the Christmas tree cross commenced Sunday night, almost all of them were snapped up.

“I hope they make people realize that we should speak up for what we believe in and stand up for it and not be pushed around,” Hutson added to WXIN.

The ACLU sued Knightstown on behalf of resident Joseph Tompkins, saying the tree cross violates his First Amendment rights guaranteeing separation of church and state and demanding the cross’ removal and payment of damages to Tompkins for being “forced to come into direct and unwelcome contact with the cross display” daily, the station reported.

“Just because one person’s offended doesn’t mean they have to take away one particular thing,” resident Cynthia Sturgill noted to WXIN.

“To me it’s not a religious display,” she continued to the station. “It’s not all about just Christianity. It’s about memorial, loss of family, loved ones, the veterans. The Jefferson Memorial has tons of crosses, millions of crosses for veterans.”

Neither Tompkins nor town officials commented to the station about the lawsuit, but Sturgill said she’s ready to battle.

“As long as I’m around and family, friends, town, we’ll fight it every bit of the way,” she told WXIN. “We don’t want the cross to come down.”


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I'm sure people in Knightsville, Indiana love themselves some cross burning.

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It’s beginning to look a lot like the war on Christmas.

Or rather, the annual controversy — inspired by the 2005 book “The War on Christmas: How the Liberal Plot to Ban the Sacred Christian Holiday Is Worse Than You Thought” — about whether or not there is such a thing.

President-elect Donald Trump, in his postelection victory tour, is casting himself as the protector of the celebration — or, at least, the traditional greeting associated with it. “When I started 18 months ago, I told my first crowd in Wisconsin that we’re going to come back here someday and we are going to say ‘Merry Christmas’ again,” Trump said on Tuesday. “Merry Christmas — so, Merry Christmas, everyone. Happy New Year, but Merry Christmas.”

But, belying the implication that America’s favorite holiday is under assault, President Obama wrapped up his final news conference of the year Friday afternoon by wishing Americans “Merry Christmas.” Earlier this month, he presided over the lighting of the national Christmas tree on the Ellipse, something he has done every year he has served in the White House. In fact, during the month of December, Obama and the first lady host numerous seasonal receptions, including a Hanukkah party at the presidential mansion, which is decorated with all the traditional trimmings of the Christmas season: enormous beribboned pine trees, candy canes, and ornamental wreaths.

As with so much about the new president-elect, Trump’s views on the greeting have varied over time. Since 2012 he has been consistent in accusing people of diminishing the Christian holy day with secular seasonal greetings. “Other people can have their holidays, but Christmas is Christmas,” Trump told the Values Voters Summit in September, reiterating his stance. “I want to see ‘Merry Christmas.’ Remember the expression ‘Merry Christmas’? You don’t see it anymore! You’re going to see it if I get elected, I can tell you right now.”

Trump himself has wished people “Happy holidays” on many occasions, as have employees of his properties. His 2015 holiday card wished people “Merry Christmas + Happy Holidays,” and he has tweeted “Happy holidays” to people on multiple occasions over the years. The Trump Hotel Collection Tumblr wished people “Happy Holidays” last year, and the Trump Organization’s reception at the tower on Wednesday was described as a Christmas party at times and at other times as a holiday party, according to the pool reporter in attendance. Visible in the reception area, where the press waited, was “a Hanukkah menorah with nine unlit bulbs.”


President-elect Donald Trump speaks during a rally at the Wisconsin State Fair Exposition Center, on Dec. 13, 2016, in West Allis, Wis. (Photo: Evan Vucci/AP)
And that gets to one part of the seasonal debate that’s new this year: Trump’s own family is an interfaith one. Son-in-law Jared Kushner is Jewish, as is Kushner’s wife, presidential daughter Ivanka Trump, who reportedly is considering taking up some of the mantle of first lady in Washington while Trump’s wife, Melania, remains behind in Manhattan with son Barron.

That would make her the first Jewish first daughter in the U.S. — and, if she takes on the first lady role, the first Jewish person to fill that role too.

That family diversity also raises questions about how the president-elect will navigate the wealth of religious holidays now celebrated by the White House. Obama became the first sitting president to host a White House Passover Seder, held in the spring — a tradition that seems likely to continue in the new White House.

But President George W. Bush and President Obama have come in for mockery from the right for offering greetings for Kwanzaa, an African-American cultural festival, and both also have marked Diwali, the Hindu festival of lights, which often falls in December. Bush was the first president to mark both holidays from the White House.

Trump has called himself “a big fan of Hindu,” but his campaign rhetoric about Muslim Americans raises questions about the fate of the Muslim Eid al-Fitr reception at the White House; at this year’s observance, Obama wished guests “Eid mubarak” (blessed celebration) and thanked them for “sharing words from the holy Koran.”

George W. Bush also held Eid commemorations at the White House and in 2001, he hosted the first White House iftar, a dinner that breaks the fast during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. The first Eid reception by a presidential family was hosted by Hillary Clinton in 1996 in the Executive Office Building next door to the White House. Clinton called it a “historic and overdue occasion.”

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I can't even been to understand how deep somebody's mental problems must be to suggest that there is a war on Christmas.


:lol: I wouldn't say there's a "war on Christmas", but I don't think a person is insane for thinking it's pretty two-faced for a retailer to make its year by selling Christmas presents while pretending that it's selling them for some other reason, like some vague "holiday". Everyone knows exactly what holiday it is. Except Killer V who apparently doesn't know Ramadan doesn't start until May.

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Kwanzaa is a pretty big deal in my house. I would like a little more respect and recognition for our holiday and traditions but I don't complain.

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