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At what point is it okay to use physical force?


That's what I want to know, and for the moment I'll forget that if this was a dude that just open-handed slapped Joe Mixon, people would be laughing at his lawsuit attempt and wondering why Mixon was even charged with a crime.

But let's say that instead of an open-handed slap from her, it's a punch. It's still weak, relatively speaking, but it's a closed-fist punch at Joe Mixon's head/neck area, and he responds as we saw in the video...is that acceptable then? Because at some point, you're telling this dude that he can only protect himself from harm (a punch is harmful even if it comes from someone comparatively weaker than you) if there is a blunt-force weapon (or worse) involved, and that's just crazy talk.


This is asinine. Who the fuck knows when it's acceptable? If someone else were there the end result could have been different.

What's the point of asking these questions? The answer is simple. No one should batter anyone. Come on man, just come out and tell us how satisfying it was to see that twat's lights go out.


Well we better find out when it's acceptable, because people need to be able to defend themselves, and know when it is acceptable and when it is not.

The larger point of asking these questions is to highlight the lunacy of Mixon being punished and demonized by people for defending himself in the face of unprovoked physical violence from another, and the notion that what we saw on the video was "unquestionably wrong" on Mixon's part leads to nonsensical results, in the form of one gender being protected more by self-defense laws than another, or people of one stature not being able to be battered sufficiently to warrant self-defense.

And no, it wasn't satisfying to watch that girl go limp from a punch to the face. That kind of "lights out" unconsciousness has always caused a feeling of anxiety in me when I see it, whether in a video of a fight on the internet, or on the football field, boxing match, etc.


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Look, I'm not gonna argue that this dude should have knocked this broad's lights out, but I don't think it's as simple as saying he's wrong simply because he's a man that hit a woman... and MANY courts agree. There are jurisdictions where the duty to retreat does not exist as long as you are in a place where you have a right to be.

Additionally, just on a personal level, think about it... you're drunk and some mouthy broad walks up, pushes you, calls you a "n****r" and hits you in the face. Are you telling me your first instinct would be to run away?

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some mouthy broad walks up, pushes you, calls you a "n****r" and hits you in the face. Are you telling me your first instinct would be to run away?

I think that's how you say hello to black people in Oklahoma.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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At what point is it okay to use physical force?


That's what I want to know, and for the moment I'll forget that if this was a dude that just open-handed slapped Joe Mixon, people would be laughing at his lawsuit attempt and wondering why Mixon was even charged with a crime.

But let's say that instead of an open-handed slap from her, it's a punch. It's still weak, relatively speaking, but it's a closed-fist punch at Joe Mixon's head/neck area, and he responds as we saw in the video...is that acceptable then? Because at some point, you're telling this dude that he can only protect himself from harm (a punch is harmful even if it comes from someone comparatively weaker than you) if there is a blunt-force weapon (or worse) involved, and that's just crazy talk.


This is asinine. Who the fuck knows when it's acceptable? If someone else were there the end result could have been different.

What's the point of asking these questions? The answer is simple. No one should batter anyone. Come on man, just come out and tell us how satisfying it was to see that twat's lights go out.


Well we better find out when it's acceptable, because people need to be able to defend themselves, and know when it is acceptable and when it is not.

The larger point of asking these questions is to highlight the lunacy of Mixon being punished and demonized by people for defending himself in the face of unprovoked physical violence from another, and the notion that what we saw on the video was "unquestionably wrong" on Mixon's part leads to nonsensical results, in the form of one gender being protected more by self-defense laws than another, or people of one stature not being able to be battered sufficiently to warrant self-defense.

And no, it wasn't satisfying to watch that girl go limp from a punch to the face. That kind of "lights out" unconsciousness has always caused a feeling of anxiety in me when I see it, whether in a video of a fight on the internet, or on the football field, boxing match, etc.


Did he use the appropriate amount of force in response to the threat? You can answer that question.

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Did he use the appropriate amount of force in response to the threat? You can answer that question.


Given the two distinct instances of battery, I think a blow of some kind was warranted to stop the threat, considering he had no duty to retreat. Also, considering the girl not only instigated the violence, but escalated its type and force (from a push, to a blow to the head/neck area) I think a closed-fist blow from Mixon is at the very least approaching reasonable.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Did he use the appropriate amount of force in response to the threat? You can answer that question.


Given the two distinct instances of battery, I think a blow of some kind was warranted to stop the threat, considering he had no duty to retreat. Also, considering the girl not only instigated the violence, but escalated its type and force (from a push, to a blow to the head/neck area) I think a closed-fist blow from Mixon is at the very least approaching reasonable.


His response was unreasonable then. A "no" would have been the simpler answer.

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That clip is great. Dude gets up and throws an uppercut like Soda Popinski.

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SpiralStairs wrote:
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Did he use the appropriate amount of force in response to the threat? You can answer that question.


Given the two distinct instances of battery, I think a blow of some kind was warranted to stop the threat, considering he had no duty to retreat. Also, considering the girl not only instigated the violence, but escalated its type and force (from a push, to a blow to the head/neck area) I think a closed-fist blow from Mixon is at the very least approaching reasonable.


His response was unreasonable then. A "no" would have been the simpler answer.


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But whatever. :roll:


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That clip is great. Dude gets up and throws an uppercut like Soda Popinski.

That .gif is shakier than Michael J. Fox in a southeast Asian earthquake.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Did he use the appropriate amount of force in response to the threat? You can answer that question.


Given the two distinct instances of battery, I think a blow of some kind was warranted to stop the threat, considering he had no duty to retreat. Also, considering the girl not only instigated the violence, but escalated its type and force (from a push, to a blow to the head/neck area) I think a closed-fist blow from Mixon is at the very least approaching reasonable.


His response was unreasonable then. A "no" would have been the simpler answer.


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I think a closed-fist blow from Mixon is at the very least approaching reasonable.


But whatever. :roll:


If his actions were approaching reasonable then you're conceding that his response was unreasonable. Go ahead and roll your eyes though. Christ.

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some mouthy broad walks up, pushes you, calls you a "n****r" and hits you in the face. Are you telling me your first instinct would be to run away?

I think


You aren't fooling anyone here with that assertion.

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dude looked like Mike Tyson in his prime. POW! what did he say to her in the first place?

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SpiralStairs wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Did he use the appropriate amount of force in response to the threat? You can answer that question.


Given the two distinct instances of battery, I think a blow of some kind was warranted to stop the threat, considering he had no duty to retreat. Also, considering the girl not only instigated the violence, but escalated its type and force (from a push, to a blow to the head/neck area) I think a closed-fist blow from Mixon is at the very least approaching reasonable.


His response was unreasonable then. A "no" would have been the simpler answer.


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I think a closed-fist blow from Mixon is at the very least approaching reasonable.


But whatever. :roll:


If his actions were approaching reasonable then you're conceding that his response was unreasonable. Go ahead and roll your eyes though. Christ.


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My God, do you suck. :roll:


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Spiral at what point does the guy get to defend himself against an attack from a woman?

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Spiral at what point does the guy get to defend himself against an attack from a woman?


I answered the question already. There isn't some rubric that you can consult that's going to provide a satisfactory answer.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Did he use the appropriate amount of force in response to the threat? You can answer that question.


Given the two distinct instances of battery, I think a blow of some kind was warranted to stop the threat, considering he had no duty to retreat. Also, considering the girl not only instigated the violence, but escalated its type and force (from a push, to a blow to the head/neck area) I think a closed-fist blow from Mixon is at the very least approaching reasonable.


His response was unreasonable then. A "no" would have been the simpler answer.


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I think a closed-fist blow from Mixon is at the very least approaching reasonable.


But whatever. :roll:


If his actions were approaching reasonable then you're conceding that his response was unreasonable. Go ahead and roll your eyes though. Christ.


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at the very least


My God, do you suck. :roll:


Then what the fuck are you trying to say?

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She will get laughed out of court.

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Joe Mixon is a real tough guy.

You can tell by how quickly he ran like a bitch after knocking out a 110 lb girl.

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I don't think he should have slugged her. He certainly wasn't in any real danger from her. But I'm not one of these people promoting the radical notion that gender is "fluid" and men and women are the same either. I don't see how you can hold the view that men and women are the same and then object to a man defending himself by knocking a woman out simply because she was a woman.

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I don't think he should have slugged her. He certainly wasn't in any real danger from her. But I'm not one of these people promoting the radical notion that gender is "fluid" and men and women are the same either. I don't see how you can hold the view that men and women are the same and then object to a man defending himself by knocking a woman out simply because she was a woman.


They're not the same.

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What if it was a sickly looking, 110 lb man? Different?

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What if it was a sickly looking, 110 lb man? Different?


Yes.

It's not logical I know.

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What if it was a sickly looking, 110 lb man? Different?


Yes.

It's not logical I know.


What if the man self-identifies as a woman? Or a pigeon? Animal cruelty?

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Joe Mixon is a real tough guy.

You can tell by how quickly he ran like a bitch after knocking out a 110 lb girl.


He probably realized that the establishment had security cameras, and he hightailed it out of there.

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It's tricky right. According to what I read they didn't know each other. Could be wrong. But if they don't know each other then that takes away feelings that could come into play when you're reasoning whether or not you should defuse a situation. Now if that's a dude who slaps and pushes Mixon in the same exact manner then I highly doubt this is a story. And I'm guessing spiral and others wouldn't have a problem with Mixon if he retaliated against a guy (just guessing, happy to be disabused). I say this to not take a side but to ask if gender or capacity ever factors into cases like this, and if so, how does it factor in? Again Mixon is not suspended or reprimanded or sued if this confrontation played out the same exact way but with him arguing with a guy instead.

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I don't think he should have slugged her. He certainly wasn't in any real danger from her. But I'm not one of these people promoting the radical notion that gender is "fluid" and men and women are the same either. I don't see how you can hold the view that men and women are the same and then object to a man defending himself by knocking a woman out simply because she was a woman.


They're not the same.


No shit. And did you know that if you put toy cars and dolls in a room with chimps, the male chimps are more likely to play with the cars while the females pick up the dolls.

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And did you know that if you put toy cars and dolls in a room with chimps, the male chimps are more likely to play with the cars while the females pick up the dolls.


I guess Dommy or Maddy chimp visited a Target that hasn't phased out gender-specific toys yet.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I don't think he should have slugged her. He certainly wasn't in any real danger from her. But I'm not one of these people promoting the radical notion that gender is "fluid" and men and women are the same either. I don't see how you can hold the view that men and women are the same and then object to a man defending himself by knocking a woman out simply because she was a woman.


They're not the same.


No shit. And did you know that if you put toy cars and dolls in a room with chimps, the male chimps are more likely to play with the cars while the females pick up the dolls.


I've always felt that basic biology is never talked about enough with these issues. We evolved to survive and reproduce, not to have both sexes be "equal," whatever that means. People who want the genders to be identical are fighting tens of millions of years of evolution that led to humans having two very different but very crucial genders. We can acknowledge they are both crucial without having to twist ourselves to say they are the "same."

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