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And did you know that if you put toy cars and dolls in a room with chimps, the male chimps are more likely to play with the cars while the females pick up the dolls.


I guess Dommy or Maddy chimp visited a Target that hasn't phased out gender-specific toys yet.


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I don't think he should have slugged her. He certainly wasn't in any real danger from her. But I'm not one of these people promoting the radical notion that gender is "fluid" and men and women are the same either. I don't see how you can hold the view that men and women are the same and then object to a man defending himself by knocking a woman out simply because she was a woman.


They're not the same.


No shit. And did you know that if you put toy cars and dolls in a room with chimps, the male chimps are more likely to play with the cars while the females pick up the dolls.


Yeah, if one of those female chimps slaps one of the alpha chimps she will get a lot more than one punch. Plus, the female chimp would not have much to say if that male wanted to mate so there is a lot more difference in play chum.

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And did you know that if you put toy cars and dolls in a room with chimps, the male chimps are more likely to play with the cars while the females pick up the dolls.


I guess Dommy or Maddy chimp visited a Target that hasn't phased out gender-specific toys yet.


Stop monkeying around.


Toy monkeys don't come with toy bananas as accessories anymore because the phallic nature of a banana represented an unconscious heteronormative microaggression.

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And did you know that if you put toy cars and dolls in a room with chimps, the male chimps are more likely to play with the cars while the females pick up the dolls.


I guess Dommy or Maddy chimp visited a Target that hasn't phased out gender-specific toys yet.


Stop monkeying around.


Toy monkeys don't come with toy bananas as accessories anymore because the phallic nature of a banana represented an unconscious heteronormative microaggression.


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Had we been more similar to bonobos than chimps in the evolutionary tree, this guy would have cowered and ceded power to the female.

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Had we been more similar to bonobos than chimps in the evolutionary tree, this guy would have cowered and ceded power to the female.


Would he also have thrown his poop at the spectators? That would have been funny.

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Was this random or was she his girlfriend or something?

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Had we been more similar to bonobos than chimps in the evolutionary tree, this guy would have cowered and ceded power to the female.


Would he also have thrown his poop at the spectators? That would have been funny.


The throwing of poop is always used as an example of non-evolved or "archaic" behavior, but I always found it to be resourceful.

What, you're tough because I don't have a weapon? How about if I take a shit and hurl it at your head?

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Had we been more similar to bonobos than chimps in the evolutionary tree, this guy would have cowered and ceded power to the female.


Would he also have thrown his poop at the spectators? That would have been funny.


The throwing of poop is always used as an example of non-evolved or "archaic" behavior, but I always found it to be resourceful.

What, you're tough because I don't have a weapon? How about if I take a shit and hurl it at your head?


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I've always felt that basic biology is never talked about enough with these issues. We evolved to survive and reproduce, not to have both sexes be "equal," whatever that means. People who want the genders to be identical are fighting tens of millions of years of evolution that led to humans having two very different but very crucial genders. We can acknowledge they are both crucial without having to twist ourselves to say they are the "same."


As an evolutionary psychologist, I have this argument all the time with the cross-cultural psychologists & gender sociologists. Men and women have had many similar survival adaptations (like a preference for sweet food, detection of danger, etc.) but also have had MANY different survival adaptations (men/women differences in mate preferences, sexual jealousy, competition/aggression styles, I could go on and do in my evolutionary psychology class) and to ignore that is stupid.

With that in mind, they are both wrong in this video. At the most, he should pay 50% of any uncovered medical expenses. I'm sure that's how Judge Judy would rule.

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I've always felt that basic biology is never talked about enough with these issues. We evolved to survive and reproduce, not to have both sexes be "equal," whatever that means. People who want the genders to be identical are fighting tens of millions of years of evolution that led to humans having two very different but very crucial genders. We can acknowledge they are both crucial without having to twist ourselves to say they are the "same."


As an evolutionary psychologist, I have this argument all the time with the cross-cultural psychologists & gender sociologists. Men and women have had many similar survival adaptations (like a preference for sweet food, detection of danger, etc.) but also have had MANY different survival adaptations (men/women differences in mate preferences, sexual jealousy, competition/aggression styles, I could go on and do in my evolutionary psychology class) and to ignore that is stupid.

With that in mind, they are both wrong in this video. At the most, he should pay 50% of any uncovered medical expenses. I'm sure that's how Judge Judy would rule.


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I don't think he should have slugged her. He certainly wasn't in any real danger from her. But I'm not one of these people promoting the radical notion that gender is "fluid" and men and women are the same either. I don't see how you can hold the view that men and women are the same and then object to a man defending himself by knocking a woman out simply because she was a woman.




I've always felt that basic biology is never talked about enough with these issues. We evolved to survive and reproduce, not to have both sexes be "equal," whatever that means. People who want the genders to be identical are fighting tens of millions of years of evolution that led to humans having two very different but very crucial genders. We can acknowledge they are both crucial without having to twist ourselves to say they are the "same."


This is part of the reason I had my discussion with Brick a few weeks ago. Men and women are different, we parent differently, think differently, do lots of stuff differently.


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It didn't look like he thought twice about swinging the hammer at her. She did not have a weapon and was not a threat to hurt him. He could have brushed her off or shoved her to the side and left. He acted like a caveman and wound up his arm and knocked her the fuck out as hard as he could. I actually remember when this originally happened and was shocked they even let him stay at Oklahoma. That is some trip to JuCo in the middle of Mississippi before you get another crack at the big time shit right there IMO.

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If the chick was a dude and the video was the same I'd still have a problem with what Mixon did.

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If the chick was a dude and the video was the same I'd still have a problem with what Mixon did.

yep...that was a wind up and pistol whip a fool kind of punch.

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If the chick was a dude and the video was the same I'd still have a problem with what Mixon did.


Why?

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It didn't look like he thought twice about swinging the hammer at her. She did not have a weapon and was not a threat to hurt him. He could have brushed her off or shoved her to the side and left. He acted like a caveman and wound up his arm and knocked her the fuck out as hard as he could. I actually remember when this originally happened and was shocked they even let him stay at Oklahoma. That is some trip to JuCo in the middle of Mississippi before you get another crack at the big time shit right there IMO.


It looks like he was about to leave until she escalated things. If he acted like a "caveman" that was only after she let herself sink to the same low.

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I'll tell you what... This board is great , and this conversation is an example. Spiral is a very good friend of mine, as is Vegan... And we all disagree but it's respectful. Granted, they're obviously wrong but that's immaterial.

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If the chick was a dude and the video was the same I'd still have a problem with what Mixon did.


Why?


Because I have low T.

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I'll tell you what... This board is great , and this conversation is an example. Spiral is a very good friend of mine, as is Vegan... And we all disagree but it's respectful. Granted, they're obviously wrong but that's immaterial.


What an embarrassing post from a so-called alpha. If you witnessed this thing in person you'd sue Mixon for intentional infliction of emotional distress.

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Look, I'm not gonna argue that this dude should have knocked this broad's lights out, but I don't think it's as simple as saying he's wrong simply because he's a man that hit a woman... and MANY courts agree. There are jurisdictions where the duty to retreat does not exist as long as you are in a place where you have a right to be.

Additionally, just on a personal level, think about it... you're drunk and some mouthy broad walks up, pushes you, calls you a "n****r" and hits you in the face. Are you telling me your first instinct would be to run away?

He was not in any danger. If it had been an 8 year old and you we wouldn't be blaming the 8 year old. Do we think this guy really felt he was in danger of bodily harm from this person?

It's also ironic many here are taking the stance that legally if someone hits you first no matter how light it is then you can react with much larger force and it's fine. I guess this was a moral beating!

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I've always felt that basic biology is never talked about enough with these issues. We evolved to survive and reproduce, not to have both sexes be "equal," whatever that means. People who want the genders to be identical are fighting tens of millions of years of evolution that led to humans having two very different but very crucial genders. We can acknowledge they are both crucial without having to twist ourselves to say they are the "same."


As an evolutionary psychologist, I have this argument all the time with the cross-cultural psychologists & gender sociologists. Men and women have had many similar survival adaptations (like a preference for sweet food, detection of danger, etc.) but also have had MANY different survival adaptations (men/women differences in mate preferences, sexual jealousy, competition/aggression styles, I could go on and do in my evolutionary psychology class) and to ignore that is stupid.

With that in mind, they are both wrong in this video. At the most, he should pay 50% of any uncovered medical expenses. I'm sure that's how Judge Judy would rule.


There's no room for politics in science, or at least there shouldn't be. There's a current school of thought that certain research, for example a study that might show that one ethnic group was genetically predisposed to be more intelligent than another, is unethical, that those would be facts we are better off not knowing. Beyond being anti-intellectual, such is position is simply wrong. The ethics do not lie in the discovery of the facts, but rather in the way those facts are used.

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I don't think he should have slugged her. He certainly wasn't in any real danger from her. But I'm not one of these people promoting the radical notion that gender is "fluid" and men and women are the same either. I don't see how you can hold the view that men and women are the same and then object to a man defending himself by knocking a woman out simply because she was a woman.




I've always felt that basic biology is never talked about enough with these issues. We evolved to survive and reproduce, not to have both sexes be "equal," whatever that means. People who want the genders to be identical are fighting tens of millions of years of evolution that led to humans having two very different but very crucial genders. We can acknowledge they are both crucial without having to twist ourselves to say they are the "same."


This is part of the reason I had my discussion with Brick a few weeks ago. Men and women are different, we parent differently, think differently, do lots of stuff differently.
Not to rehash the discussion as to whether anyone who isn't a cohabitating heterosexual couple can successfully raise a child I will point out that it had nothing to do with men and women being different.

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Look, I'm not gonna argue that this dude should have knocked this broad's lights out, but I don't think it's as simple as saying he's wrong simply because he's a man that hit a woman... and MANY courts agree. There are jurisdictions where the duty to retreat does not exist as long as you are in a place where you have a right to be.

Additionally, just on a personal level, think about it... you're drunk and some mouthy broad walks up, pushes you, calls you a "n****r" and hits you in the face. Are you telling me your first instinct would be to run away?

He was not in any danger. If it had been an 8 year old and you we wouldn't be blaming the 8 year old. Do we think this guy really felt he was in danger of bodily harm from this person?

It's also ironic many here are taking the stance that legally if someone hits you first no matter how light it is then you can react with much larger force and it's fine. I guess this was a moral beating!




I agree he over reacted, but it wasn't an 8 year old, so just stop with that non sense..what if she had a fork in her hand? The hypotheticals are never ending, I will be stunned if she is awarded a penny in court.

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Look, I'm not gonna argue that this dude should have knocked this broad's lights out, but I don't think it's as simple as saying he's wrong simply because he's a man that hit a woman... and MANY courts agree. There are jurisdictions where the duty to retreat does not exist as long as you are in a place where you have a right to be.

Additionally, just on a personal level, think about it... you're drunk and some mouthy broad walks up, pushes you, calls you a "n****r" and hits you in the face. Are you telling me your first instinct would be to run away?

He was not in any danger. If it had been an 8 year old and you we wouldn't be blaming the 8 year old. Do we think this guy really felt he was in danger of bodily harm from this person?

It's also ironic many here are taking the stance that legally if someone hits you first no matter how light it is then you can react with much larger force and it's fine. I guess this was a moral beating!


I don't think anyone here has said that knocking her out was acceptable except maybe JLN. We have all acknowledged it was over the top. But it seems as though MANY are excusing her actions completely and saying that he literally has no ability to defend himself. That's bullshit,. It seems to me that some of you are literally arguing that "weaker" people are excused from committing battery simply because they're weak. We have used the hypothetical of if the woman had been a man... let me ask you this: what if Mixon was a scrawny guy or a small woman? If that woman retaliates, is she wrong?

Again, he went overboard with what he did - completely agree. I just don't think it's black and white.

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Look, I'm not gonna argue that this dude should have knocked this broad's lights out, but I don't think it's as simple as saying he's wrong simply because he's a man that hit a woman... and MANY courts agree. There are jurisdictions where the duty to retreat does not exist as long as you are in a place where you have a right to be.

Additionally, just on a personal level, think about it... you're drunk and some mouthy broad walks up, pushes you, calls you a "n****r" and hits you in the face. Are you telling me your first instinct would be to run away?

He was not in any danger. If it had been an 8 year old and you we wouldn't be blaming the 8 year old. Do we think this guy really felt he was in danger of bodily harm from this person?

It's also ironic many here are taking the stance that legally if someone hits you first no matter how light it is then you can react with much larger force and it's fine. I guess this was a moral beating!


I don't think anyone here has said that knocking her out was acceptable except maybe JLN. We have all acknowledged it was over the top. But it seems as though MANY are excusing her actions completely and saying that he literally has no ability to defend himself. That's bullshit,. It seems to me that some of you are literally arguing that "weaker" people are excused from committing battery simply because they're weak. We have used the hypothetical of if the woman had been a man... let me ask you this: what if Mixon was a scrawny guy or a small woman? If that woman retaliates, is she wrong?

Again, he went overboard with what he did - completely agree. I just don't think it's black and white.


All I've meant to say is that I think a closed-fist blow in order to stop the ongoing, and escalating, threat was in the realm of reasonableness. Though at the same time, I'm hard-pressed to fault Mixon for failing to use one type of less-forceful strike over another, as I don't think he's trained in that kind of thing like a police officer would be.


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