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MANY Adrian Peterson fans in here.


Stop. That's unfair. Just saying a man can never hit a woman ends all critical conversation or thought.

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Look, I'm not gonna argue that this dude should have knocked this broad's lights out, but I don't think it's as simple as saying he's wrong simply because he's a man that hit a woman... and MANY courts agree. There are jurisdictions where the duty to retreat does not exist as long as you are in a place where you have a right to be.

Additionally, just on a personal level, think about it... you're drunk and some mouthy broad walks up, pushes you, calls you a "n****r" and hits you in the face. Are you telling me your first instinct would be to run away?

He was not in any danger. If it had been an 8 year old and you we wouldn't be blaming the 8 year old. Do we think this guy really felt he was in danger of bodily harm from this person?

It's also ironic many here are taking the stance that legally if someone hits you first no matter how light it is then you can react with much larger force and it's fine. I guess this was a moral beating!


I don't think anyone here has said that knocking her out was acceptable except maybe JLN. We have all acknowledged it was over the top. But it seems as though MANY are excusing her actions completely and saying that he literally has no ability to defend himself. That's bullshit,. It seems to me that some of you are literally arguing that "weaker" people are excused from committing battery simply because they're weak. We have used the hypothetical of if the woman had been a man... let me ask you this: what if Mixon was a scrawny guy or a small woman? If that woman retaliates, is she wrong?

Again, he went overboard with what he did - completely agree. I just don't think it's black and white.

She was wrong. However he took it to a completely different level. It doesn't mean her action wasn't wrong but it also lessens her blame to a very small level.

His size and strength does matter too because the justification seems to be that he feared for his safety. This guy gets hit 30 plus times by guys who are 250 pounds and yet he feared for his safety from her? That doesn't make sense. He did this out of anger. Someone who is scared would have run away from a slapper.

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MANY Adrian Peterson fans in here.


Stop. That's unfair. Just saying a man can never hit a woman ends all critical conversation or thought.


I meant Ray Rice

I'm not saying that a man can't hit a woman and I'm not saying racial slurs couldn't have played a role. I'm saying it looked like he had done it before and he could have and should have walked away. I've generally felt my entire life that it was somewhat cowardly to go after someone you know that you will destroy.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
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leashyourkids wrote:
Look, I'm not gonna argue that this dude should have knocked this broad's lights out, but I don't think it's as simple as saying he's wrong simply because he's a man that hit a woman... and MANY courts agree. There are jurisdictions where the duty to retreat does not exist as long as you are in a place where you have a right to be.

Additionally, just on a personal level, think about it... you're drunk and some mouthy broad walks up, pushes you, calls you a "n****r" and hits you in the face. Are you telling me your first instinct would be to run away?

He was not in any danger. If it had been an 8 year old and you we wouldn't be blaming the 8 year old. Do we think this guy really felt he was in danger of bodily harm from this person?

It's also ironic many here are taking the stance that legally if someone hits you first no matter how light it is then you can react with much larger force and it's fine. I guess this was a moral beating!


I don't think anyone here has said that knocking her out was acceptable except maybe JLN. We have all acknowledged it was over the top. But it seems as though MANY are excusing her actions completely and saying that he literally has no ability to defend himself. That's bullshit,. It seems to me that some of you are literally arguing that "weaker" people are excused from committing battery simply because they're weak. We have used the hypothetical of if the woman had been a man... let me ask you this: what if Mixon was a scrawny guy or a small woman? If that woman retaliates, is she wrong?

Again, he went overboard with what he did - completely agree. I just don't think it's black and white.

She was wrong. However he took it to a completely different level. It doesn't mean her action wasn't wrong but it also lessens her blame to a very small level.

His size and strength does matter too because the justification seems to be that he feared for his safety. This guy gets hit 30 plus times by guys who are 250 pounds and yet he feared for his safety from her? That doesn't make sense. He did this out of anger. Someone who is scared would have run away from a slapper.




Another swing n a miss, this guy get hit 30 plus times by 250 lb guys :lol: :lol:

He wears a helmet and pads too, smh

Fear for his safety? That has no bearing, it is about not letting someone assault you, if she didn't attack him, she wouldn't have a broken jaw, she instigated everything.

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312player wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Look, I'm not gonna argue that this dude should have knocked this broad's lights out, but I don't think it's as simple as saying he's wrong simply because he's a man that hit a woman... and MANY courts agree. There are jurisdictions where the duty to retreat does not exist as long as you are in a place where you have a right to be.

Additionally, just on a personal level, think about it... you're drunk and some mouthy broad walks up, pushes you, calls you a "n****r" and hits you in the face. Are you telling me your first instinct would be to run away?

He was not in any danger. If it had been an 8 year old and you we wouldn't be blaming the 8 year old. Do we think this guy really felt he was in danger of bodily harm from this person?

It's also ironic many here are taking the stance that legally if someone hits you first no matter how light it is then you can react with much larger force and it's fine. I guess this was a moral beating!


I don't think anyone here has said that knocking her out was acceptable except maybe JLN. We have all acknowledged it was over the top. But it seems as though MANY are excusing her actions completely and saying that he literally has no ability to defend himself. That's bullshit,. It seems to me that some of you are literally arguing that "weaker" people are excused from committing battery simply because they're weak. We have used the hypothetical of if the woman had been a man... let me ask you this: what if Mixon was a scrawny guy or a small woman? If that woman retaliates, is she wrong?

Again, he went overboard with what he did - completely agree. I just don't think it's black and white.

She was wrong. However he took it to a completely different level. It doesn't mean her action wasn't wrong but it also lessens her blame to a very small level.

His size and strength does matter too because the justification seems to be that he feared for his safety. This guy gets hit 30 plus times by guys who are 250 pounds and yet he feared for his safety from her? That doesn't make sense. He did this out of anger. Someone who is scared would have run away from a slapper.




Another swing n a miss, this guy get hit 30 plus times by 250 lb guys :lol: :lol:

He wears a helmet and pads too, smh

Fear for his safety? That has no bearing, it is about not letting someone assault you, if she didn't attack him, she wouldn't have a broken jaw, she instigated everything.

Should he have pummeled her on the ground too?

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Nas wrote:
I've generally felt my entire life that it was somewhat cowardly to go after someone you know that you will destroy.


Yeah, that's why I don't argue with FF.

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I've generally felt my entire life that it was somewhat cowardly to go after someone you know that you will destroy.


Yeah, that's why I don't argue with FF.

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I've generally felt my entire life that it was somewhat cowardly to go after someone you know that you will destroy.


Yeah, that's why I don't argue with FF.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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312player wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Look, I'm not gonna argue that this dude should have knocked this broad's lights out, but I don't think it's as simple as saying he's wrong simply because he's a man that hit a woman... and MANY courts agree. There are jurisdictions where the duty to retreat does not exist as long as you are in a place where you have a right to be.

Additionally, just on a personal level, think about it... you're drunk and some mouthy broad walks up, pushes you, calls you a "n****r" and hits you in the face. Are you telling me your first instinct would be to run away?

He was not in any danger. If it had been an 8 year old and you we wouldn't be blaming the 8 year old. Do we think this guy really felt he was in danger of bodily harm from this person?

It's also ironic many here are taking the stance that legally if someone hits you first no matter how light it is then you can react with much larger force and it's fine. I guess this was a moral beating!


I don't think anyone here has said that knocking her out was acceptable except maybe JLN. We have all acknowledged it was over the top. But it seems as though MANY are excusing her actions completely and saying that he literally has no ability to defend himself. That's bullshit,. It seems to me that some of you are literally arguing that "weaker" people are excused from committing battery simply because they're weak. We have used the hypothetical of if the woman had been a man... let me ask you this: what if Mixon was a scrawny guy or a small woman? If that woman retaliates, is she wrong?

Again, he went overboard with what he did - completely agree. I just don't think it's black and white.

She was wrong. However he took it to a completely different level. It doesn't mean her action wasn't wrong but it also lessens her blame to a very small level.

His size and strength does matter too because the justification seems to be that he feared for his safety. This guy gets hit 30 plus times by guys who are 250 pounds and yet he feared for his safety from her? That doesn't make sense. He did this out of anger. Someone who is scared would have run away from a slapper.




Another swing n a miss, this guy get hit 30 plus times by 250 lb guys :lol: :lol:

He wears a helmet and pads too, smh

Fear for his safety? That has no bearing, it is about not letting someone assault you, if she didn't attack him, she wouldn't have a broken jaw, she instigated everything.


Yep.

He showed what a man he is. You can never show weakness.

At the slightest provocation, a real man whips that ass.

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Oh I dunno about that, but I bet she learned that physically assaulting and hurling racial slurs at someone can have consequences.

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Oh I dunno about that, but I bet she learned that physically assaulting and hurling racial slurs at someone can have consequences.

So he should have pummeled her on the ground too?

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Oh I dunno about that, but I bet she learned that physically assaulting and hurling racial slurs at someone can have consequences.

So he should have pummeled her on the ground too?


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Oh I dunno about that, but I bet she learned that physically assaulting and hurling racial slurs at someone can have consequences.

So he should have pummeled her on the ground too?


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Oh I dunno about that, but I bet she learned that physically assaulting and hurling racial slurs at someone can have consequences.


Prolly not. Look at all the attention she's getting as a result.

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Not so sure I should believe this.

http://deadspin.com/joe-mixon-told-police-it-felt-like-a-dude-hit-me-1790324120

However, given how many people are quick to say "He was never charged!", well, "She was never charged!".

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Push her away.

no, you don't touch her.

You push her away, she falls and cracks her skull open (this has happened) then you're in even more trouble. Never strike a woman.

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Push her away.

no, you don't touch her.

You push her away, she falls and cracks her skull open (this has happened) then you're in even more trouble. Never strike a woman.


Or you could just never strike anyone.


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“I mean, even though she pushed me, I didn’t think she was going to hit me,” Mixon said, repeating what he said earlier in the interview. “I was so shocked, because she hit me so hard, it felt like, really, like a dude hit me. And then, like, my face just started ringing. And after that, like, it was just like a reaction.”


Hit hard enough to cause a ringing sensation in his head. But not a threat capable of actually harming him, right? :roll:


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Nas wrote:
Push her away.

no, you don't touch her.

You push her away, she falls and cracks her skull open (this has happened) then you're in even more trouble. Never strike a woman.


Or you could just never strike anyone.


In this case someone struck him first. The only reason for this discussion is that the person who did so was a woman. If it were a man, most people would have no issue with Mixon knocking the fucker out.

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given how many people are quick to say "He was never charged!", well, "She was never charged!".


And she absolutely should have been.


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Push her away.

no, you don't touch her.

You push her away, she falls and cracks her skull open (this has happened) then you're in even more trouble. Never strike a woman.


Or you could just never strike anyone.

sometimes, you don't have a choice. Some people you can't outrun. But that's not true with a woman. At least any woman I've ever met.

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City of Fools wrote:
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City of Fools wrote:
Nas wrote:
Push her away.

no, you don't touch her.

You push her away, she falls and cracks her skull open (this has happened) then you're in even more trouble. Never strike a woman.


Or you could just never strike anyone.

sometimes, you don't have a choice. Some people you can't outrun. But that's not true with a woman. At least any woman I've ever met.


He owed no affirmative duty to retreat.


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“I mean, even though she pushed me, I didn’t think she was going to hit me,” Mixon said, repeating what he said earlier in the interview. “I was so shocked, because she hit me so hard, it felt like, really, like a dude hit me. And then, like, my face just started ringing. And after that, like, it was just like a reaction.”


Hit hard enough to cause a ringing sensation in his head. But not a threat capable of actually harming him, right? :roll:
The police cast doubt on many of the things he said.

Did he go to the hospital afterwards? He wasn't acting like he was injured!

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Nas wrote:
Push her away.

no, you don't touch her.

You push her away, she falls and cracks her skull open (this has happened) then you're in even more trouble. Never strike a woman.


Or you could just never strike anyone.


In this case someone struck him first. The only reason for this discussion is that the person who did so was a woman. If it were a man, most people would have no issue with Mixon knocking the fucker out.


Or you could just never strike anyone, unless you want to be Vanecko'd.


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KDdidit wrote:
City of Fools wrote:
Nas wrote:
Push her away.

no, you don't touch her.

You push her away, she falls and cracks her skull open (this has happened) then you're in even more trouble. Never strike a woman.


Or you could just never strike anyone.

sometimes, you don't have a choice. Some people you can't outrun. But that's not true with a woman. At least any woman I've ever met.


He owed no affirmative duty to retreat.
He confronted her.

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“I mean, even though she pushed me, I didn’t think she was going to hit me,” Mixon said, repeating what he said earlier in the interview. “I was so shocked, because she hit me so hard, it felt like, really, like a dude hit me. And then, like, my face just started ringing. And after that, like, it was just like a reaction.”


Hit hard enough to cause a ringing sensation in his head. But not a threat capable of actually harming him, right? :roll:
The police cast doubt on many of the things he said.


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City of Fools wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Push her away.

no, you don't touch her.

You push her away, she falls and cracks her skull open (this has happened) then you're in even more trouble. Never strike a woman.


Or you could just never strike anyone.

sometimes, you don't have a choice. Some people you can't outrun. But that's not true with a woman. At least any woman I've ever met.


He owed no affirmative duty to retreat.


Yep.

He stood his ground like a man.

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