Koschman never hit Vanecko. If he had, Vanecko wouldn't have seen a minute in jail.

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Except for you just killed a guy, no big deal.

Going back to earlier feminist arguments, you cant call for equal rights and then fall back clutching your pearls and crying out "HOW CAN YOU PUNCH A WOMAN?!?!" in a case like this.

This is similar to the teacher sex abuse stuff. When a female teacher does it, its a joke and you hear "I wish I had teachers like that in school". When its a male teacher its time for the pitchforks and torches.

A person punched a drunk Division I football player. What sort of reaction was she expecting? I'd know what to expect if I punched Mixon and the best result would be a severe beating.

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They didn't believe he would use a racial slur.

Also, why didn't he go to the hospital? Why didn't the police charge her? After all, not being charged = innocent!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It's not really about her being a woman. It is about him feeling threatened to the point that he significantly escalated the situation. She slapped him and he broke her face after he started the confrontation.

I'll ask you the same question that I asked 312player. Would he have been within his rights to jump on her and beat her down even further? After all, she "punched" him!

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Come on, you know why. Or are you attempting to argue that the chick shoving and slapping Mixon weren't actually battery?

He almost didn't go to jail just by cooking up a story that Koschman was "the aggressor" and having the clout for the cops to go along. If Vanecko had killed a woman- or maybe just knocked out her teeth- there's no question he would have been prosecuted immediately. The issue is that he hit a woman. You seem to be saying the issue is that he hit a person and that simply isn't true.

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If a man comes up said his head and he knocks the dude out, we aren't having this discussion. That's a fact.

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Hey man, I'm just going off the same playbook everyone else does. She wasn't even charged! He was!

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I'm not so sure about that. Do you think that Mixon's attack was far more severe than hers?

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It IS about her being a woman though. If this same exact tape was out there with me in the place of the woman, no one would bat an eye. Even if my slap did the same amount of damage as the woman's.

To answer your second question, no. Its like if someone breaks into your house. You can shoot them but you can't chase them down the block and shoot them in the park.

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I'm not so sure about that. If you went and slapped Cam Newton and he broke your face I bet it would get a lot of attention.

Why not?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It would get a lot of attention. I'd probably make it on the late night shows monologues. No one would be saying poor Hank Scorpio... They'd crack a joke about how Cam Newton finally took one too many hits to the head this season and let loose.

Because its the law??

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I'm not talking about violently pushing her. I'm talking about keeping her at arms length away from you. You shouldn't allow any to continually assault you.

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GO BEARS!!!

I'll cut to the chase. He can't jump on her and pummel her more because that would not be him "defending himself from danger". Do we really think she was a danger to him?

Too many in here think "She hit him, he can do what he did to retaliate" and yet no one thinks he could then pummel her on the ground.

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I'm glad Rick can decide to what degree someone else felt danger after getting hit in the face

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Guys, a few years ago I came up with a great solution to breaking up a catfight
You take an ice cold towel, walk up behind them, and touch it to the back of one of their necks
It will instantly cause them to separate without having to apply any type of force
Now, I don't know who this Mixon guy is, but a bartender's #1 responsibility is to not overserve. Whoever continued to give this guy drinks is the epitome of irresponsibility!!

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She was a danger to him, the first time she battered him, and the second time when she did it hard enough to cause the "ringing" sensation that is actually the nerves in that area going numb. Why are you assuming that she wasn't a danger, and/or that she couldn't have possibly harmed him? Because he's big and strong? Grow the fuck up.

I assume he is lying. He didn't even go to the hospital!

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He used more force than needed but part of that is because of who he is. He's a semi professional athlete. I don't think that a punch gives him carte blanche to destroy her but it isn't like he pummeled her on the ground. He hit her once and due to his size/strength it was disproportionate to the threat. I think its unrealistic to ask a drunken college student to attempt to apply measured force in a single punch.

Flip the question on it's head. Why did she strike him in the first place? Did she think that she could be a danger to him? Isnt the reason to hit someone, to immobilize them?

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All this dancing around is just window dressing.

She hit him and he got pissed and broke her face.

He didn't think he was in danger.

He was pissed and wanted to retaliate.

To show her what happens if you hit him.

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So he was the majority of the fault in this situation then?

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No. He responded to a threat in front of him. I cant blame him for being strong. He was being punched and he responded in kind. he isn't a trained fighter that can control the power of his punches.

I'll ask your question again. Why did someone that is no threat throw a punch in the first place? If they were arguing why didn't she push him away or walk away? What was her end game? Why is all the responsibility on the big strong guy?

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Some of you act like this was a calculated move on his part. Isn't it possible that someone was punching him in the face and using racial slurs, and he just swung out of instinct?

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So you believe this woman was a threat to him and he did this to protect himself from bodily harm?

Why did he confront her at all? He should have been scared she would react like this and put a hurting on him.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

She didn't use a racial slur. In fact the only believable slur came from Mixon.

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So you're saying he was asking to get battered twice? You're awful at this.

What slur would that be? Where are you getting this information?

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