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I think you lack quite the opposite, I think you lack humility.
Thanks for proving my point! You're the best.


Too bad you also lack the common sense to realize that's not really a good thing or a compliment.


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I think you lack quite the opposite, I think you lack humility.
Thanks for proving my point! You're the best.


Too bad you also lack the common sense to realize that's not really a good thing or a compliment.
Thank you for your input.

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So, to summarize, my fellow millenials would let a woman kick their ass while they run away, have been punched and never retaliated, and think that anyone who has been in a scrap is a psycho.

Let's just give Russia the nuclear codes now. We wouldn't want Putin to threaten to send beta drones over to put us in our place.

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He's totally within his right to hit her if he felt threatened and/or got pissed and let his instincts kick in. It's within my right to think he overreacted. Of course I wasn't there and didn't experience what he did so what the fuck do I know.

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Push her away... /thread

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So, to summarize, my fellow millenials would let a woman kick their ass while they run away, have been punched and never retaliated, and think that anyone who has been in a scrap is a psycho.

Let's just give Russia the nuclear codes now. We wouldn't want Putin to threaten to send beta drones over to put us in our place.


Fellow millenial? Shit, I said I was 42, that's Gen X.


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Push her away... /thread


Fuck that.

IMMINENT DANGER.

GOTTA BREAK A FACE.

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The hyperbole is offputting. You'd make great Republicans.

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Fuck that.

IMMINENT DANGER.

GOTTA BREAK A FACE.

Finish her!!!

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Push her away... /thread


Fuck that.

IMMINENT DANGER.

GOTTA BREAK A FACE.

Finish her!!!


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Also I'm sorry I'm so Alpha no one has ever tried to fight me. Must be tough on you betas to always have to watch your back because people think they can take you.

To be fair though, I only think 312 is a psycho.


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If somebody is hitting you and yelling in your face I think it's a normal response to hit them. Unless you are Rick. He likes to slowly and painfull annoy people on the internet.

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Push her away.

no, you don't touch her.

You push her away, she falls and cracks her skull open (this has happened) then you're in even more trouble. Never strike a woman.


I'm not talking about violently pushing her. I'm talking about keeping her at arms length away from you. You shouldn't allow any to continually assault you.


This is a problem too, though. I did exactly what you describe above with my ex-wife and she called the police. I had two days sitting in the Skokie lockup to wish I had actually busted her fucking jaw. Of course, I would never do such a thing, but as long as I was being accused of being a wife-beater- shit that stays on your record despite any outcome in court- it would have been nice to get my money's worth.

I don't want to sound like some wacky men's rights activist, but this is clearly a gender issue.

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This clearly is one of those areas where equality is not equal. In a perfect world obviously you should not have to punch anyone in response to an assault. But if it involves a woman the situation is worse. I am not sure when the code switched from cave man to modern day but no matter what hitting a woman is not going to have a good ending for you overall.

For me, in the past when in a situation like this I choose not to punch back whenever possible. Whether it is a man or woman throwing a punch at you it is much better all around to catch said punch attempt and apply a martial/hand to hand technique. If you know this or learn it you can have the attacker on their knees screaming in non-permanent pain wishing they never chose to throw that foolish punch.

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I learned a lot in this thread. Now, if a woman is ever armed and trying to kill me, I'll just let her do it. Wouldn't be fair for me to hit her!

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I learned a lot in this thread. Now, if a woman is ever armed and trying to kill me, I'll just let her do it. Wouldn't be fair for me to hit her!


The rule is illogical if you think about where we are at today with quality and so on. Should not matter who is punching you. You should be able to defend yourself. Why is there no rule that is a woman is pointing a gun or firing it at you you cannot fire back? Silly of course but the only reasoning behind the rule that I can think of is the old school thought that a woman is weaker, smaller, not able to care for herself or be responsible for her actions and is more fragile than a man.

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I learned a lot in this thread. Now, if a woman is ever armed and trying to kill me, I'll just let her do it. Wouldn't be fair for me to hit her!
Letting her kill you would be more than fair for the rest of us.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Push her away.

no, you don't touch her.

You push her away, she falls and cracks her skull open (this has happened) then you're in even more trouble. Never strike a woman.


I'm not talking about violently pushing her. I'm talking about keeping her at arms length away from you. You shouldn't allow any to continually assault you.


This is a problem too, though. I did exactly what you describe above with my ex-wife and she called the police. I had two days sitting in the Skokie lockup to wish I had actually busted her fucking jaw. Of course, I would never do such a thing, but as long as I was being accused of being a wife-beater- shit that stays on your record despite any outcome in court- it would have been nice to get my money's worth.

I don't want to sound like some wacky men's rights activist, but this is clearly a gender issue.


I agree domestic violence laws tend to favor and be more sympathetic to women. There is a reason for that. In your case they got it wrong and I am sure that has to suck.

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I learned a lot in this thread. Now, if a woman is ever armed and trying to kill me, I'll just let her do it. Wouldn't be fair for me to hit her!


The rule is illogical if you think about where we are at today with quality and so on. Should not matter who is punching you. You should be able to defend yourself. Why is there no rule that is a woman is pointing a gun or firing it at you you cannot fire back? Silly of course but the only reasoning behind the rule that I can think of is the old school thought that a woman is weaker, smaller, not able to care for herself or be responsible for her actions and is more fragile than a man.
It is about the level of violence. If Mixon had pushed her back it is completely different. If he had slapped her back it is completely different. He gave her a closed fist punch that broke her face. If someone slaps you it isn't an open invitation to respond back with any level of violence you want. This isn't the wild west or caveman times.

In this case the idea that Mixon seriously feared for his safety is laughable to me. He could have clearly walked away. He was mad she blew smoke in his face earlier so he confronted her again and he got his revenge and then calmly left once she opened up a "justification". If he was so scared of this woman he probably shouldn't have put himself in that situation.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I learned a lot in this thread. Now, if a woman is ever armed and trying to kill me, I'll just let her do it. Wouldn't be fair for me to hit her!


The rule is illogical if you think about where we are at today with quality and so on. Should not matter who is punching you. You should be able to defend yourself. Why is there no rule that is a woman is pointing a gun or firing it at you you cannot fire back? Silly of course but the only reasoning behind the rule that I can think of is the old school thought that a woman is weaker, smaller, not able to care for herself or be responsible for her actions and is more fragile than a man.


It is about the level of violence. If Mixon had pushed her back it is completely different. If he had slapped her back it is completely different. He gave her a closed fist punch that broke her face. If someone slaps you it isn't an open invitation to respond back with any level of violence you want. This isn't the wild west or caveman times.

In this case the idea that Mixon seriously feared for his safety is laughable to me. He could have clearly walked away. He was mad she blew smoke in his face earlier so he confronted her again and he got his revenge and then calmly left once she opened up a "justification". If he was so scared of this woman he probably shouldn't have put himself in that situation.



I fully understand and I am not defending Mixon. I wholeheartedly disagree with the bolded part. I feel he would be screwed in the court of popular opinion either way he chose.

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Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Push her away.

no, you don't touch her.

You push her away, she falls and cracks her skull open (this has happened) then you're in even more trouble. Never strike a woman.


I'm not talking about violently pushing her. I'm talking about keeping her at arms length away from you. You shouldn't allow any to continually assault you.


This is a problem too, though. I did exactly what you describe above with my ex-wife and she called the police. I had two days sitting in the Skokie lockup to wish I had actually busted her fucking jaw. Of course, I would never do such a thing, but as long as I was being accused of being a wife-beater- shit that stays on your record despite any outcome in court- it would have been nice to get my money's worth.

I don't want to sound like some wacky men's rights activist, but this is clearly a gender issue.


I agree domestic violence laws tend to favor and be more sympathetic to women. There is a reason for that. In your case they got it wrong and I am sure that has to suck.


Of course. And it's a damn good reason. In any culture in human history men have always been more aggressive and violent than women.

There is a current school of thought that biology plays absolutely no role in this and that it is simply the respective ways that male and female children are raised and the expectations put on them by society that determines the way they act. If that were actually true, wouldn't we expect to find at least a few societies/cultures throughout human history where women were the aggressors?

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I fully understand and I am not defending Mixon. I wholeheartedly disagree with the bolded part. I feel he would be screwed in the court of popular opinion either way he chose.
He may still have faced people who are mad at him but it would be completely different. It is undeniable that he took the level of violence up a level with his closed fist hit. If had made a legitimate attempt to get away or diffuse the situation it would be different.

The discussion of equality ends when one person has an escalation like he did.

I'd be on the other side of this argument if he had made an attempt to get away or to deescalate the situation. Julie DiCaro may not have switched sides but many would.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I fully understand and I am not defending Mixon. I wholeheartedly disagree with the bolded part. I feel he would be screwed in the court of popular opinion either way he chose.
He may still have faced people who are mad at him but it would be completely different. It is undeniable that he took the level of violence up a level with his closed fist hit. If had made a legitimate attempt to get away or diffuse the situation it would be different.

The discussion of equality ends when one person has an escalation like he did.

I'd be on the other side of this argument if he had made an attempt to get away or to deescalate the situation. Julie DiCaro may not have switched sides but many would.


1. He did walk away before any violence was committed, you can see this on the video, he was beckoned back by the alleged slur.

2. She escalated. She went from a shove to a strike.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I fully understand and I am not defending Mixon. I wholeheartedly disagree with the bolded part. I feel he would be screwed in the court of popular opinion either way he chose.
He may still have faced people who are mad at him but it would be completely different. It is undeniable that he took the level of violence up a level with his closed fist hit. If had made a legitimate attempt to get away or diffuse the situation it would be different.

The discussion of equality ends when one person has an escalation like he did.

I'd be on the other side of this argument if he had made an attempt to get away or to deescalate the situation. Julie DiCaro may not have switched sides but many would.


1. He did walk away before any violence was committed, you can see this on the video, he was beckoned back by the alleged slur.

2. She escalated. She went from a shove to a strike.

I believe he told police he came back to confront her about blowing smoke. That is when the supposed slur happened and then he admitted he responded with another slur. Why would a guy who is fearful of his safety from this woman do that? She obviously was someone he was afraid of.

She did escalate it. He escalated it the most though after he restarted a confrontation that was over.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I fully understand and I am not defending Mixon. I wholeheartedly disagree with the bolded part. I feel he would be screwed in the court of popular opinion either way he chose.
He may still have faced people who are mad at him but it would be completely different. It is undeniable that he took the level of violence up a level with his closed fist hit. If had made a legitimate attempt to get away or diffuse the situation it would be different.

The discussion of equality ends when one person has an escalation like he did.

I'd be on the other side of this argument if he had made an attempt to get away or to deescalate the situation. Julie DiCaro may not have switched sides but many would.


1. He did walk away before any violence was committed, you can see this on the video, he was beckoned back by the alleged slur.

2. She escalated. She went from a shove to a strike.

I believe he told police he came back to confront her about blowing smoke. That is when the supposed slur happened and then he admitted he responded with another slur. Why would a guy who is fearful of his safety from this woman do that? She obviously was someone he was afraid of.

She did escalate it. He escalated it the most though after he restarted a confrontation that was over.


How the confrontation was "restarted" is irrelevant, that's akin to saying he "was asking for it" and should just allow himself to be battered. She escalated twice, from non-violence to violence, then from a shove to a strike. Whatever you want to call it--instinct, aforethought, whatever--the notion that she posed a threat as demonstrated by her willingness to escalate, and continue the escalation was a reasonable one, and furthermore a closed-fist strike was a reasonable means to end the threat from a person with likely no training in combat force proportionality and no duty to retreat.


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