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US "citizens" attempting to de-legitimize the US electoral process, constitution, and the president is a hell of a lot more scary.


I'm glad Obama is leaving in a month so we can get back to loving America.


The precedents of executive overreach is really going to come back to haunt this country. With the wild card Trump in charge, you've upset the balance of power between Congress, the states, and the Executive branch. It'd been moving that way for years as Bush was pretty expansive in his view of Prerogative, but Obama has taken it up several notches. The courts have stopped him in many places, so that may prevent Trump from going too far.



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I'll add that it is true for all past presidents not just the current one. Whatever your thought on a particular executive overreach i.e. it was a good idea at the time it is a future risk. A future president using precedent can do bad things.

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The interesting thing for Trump is he really has no allies in government to protect him. GW and Obama had a safety net that many in Congress would go to bat for them and even some from the other party weren't exactly wanting to be the one that attempted to remove a President.

When Trump messes up, and he will, do we really think Republicans like Rubio and McCain, who are still adversarial against him, are going to stand by him when the idea of impeachment happens? As long as it comes from the Democrats first the Republicans have a cover from the "Never Trumpers or Always Trumpers or whatever confusing term we are using".

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The interesting thing for Trump is he really has no allies in government to protect him. GW and Obama had a safety net that many in Congress would go to bat for them and even some from the other party weren't exactly wanting to be the one that attempted to remove a President.

When Trump messes up, and he will, do we really think Republicans like Rubio and McCain, who are still adversarial against him, are going to stand by him when the idea of impeachment happens? As long as it comes from the Democrats first the Republicans have a cover from the "Never Trumpers or Always Trumpers or whatever confusing term we are using".


I think that thought process may have changed a bit for Republicans in Congress since Trump carried so many of them to victory. Those who ran away from Trump like Kelly Ayotte didn't do so well. Trump has seemingly taken over the GOP.

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The interesting thing for Trump is he really has no allies in government to protect him. GW and Obama had a safety net that many in Congress would go to bat for them and even some from the other party weren't exactly wanting to be the one that attempted to remove a President.

When Trump messes up, and he will, do we really think Republicans like Rubio and McCain, who are still adversarial against him, are going to stand by him when the idea of impeachment happens? As long as it comes from the Democrats first the Republicans have a cover from the "Never Trumpers or Always Trumpers or whatever confusing term we are using".


I think that thought process may have changed a bit for Republicans in Congress since Trump carried so many of them to victory. Those who ran away from Trump like Kelly Ayotte didn't do so well. Trump has seemingly taken over the GOP.
For now. It seems as if he is going to really make his supporters mad though with how he has so far indicated he will do things. I doubt by 2018 that being a Trump guy is going to be a good thing.

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Failing a true very real crime you can get this impeachment thing out of your head and postings. To get a Republican house to indict and a Republican senate to convict is preposterous without there being a truly heinous act.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The interesting thing for Trump is he really has no allies in government to protect him. GW and Obama had a safety net that many in Congress would go to bat for them and even some from the other party weren't exactly wanting to be the one that attempted to remove a President.

When Trump messes up, and he will, do we really think Republicans like Rubio and McCain, who are still adversarial against him, are going to stand by him when the idea of impeachment happens? As long as it comes from the Democrats first the Republicans have a cover from the "Never Trumpers or Always Trumpers or whatever confusing term we are using".


I think that thought process may have changed a bit for Republicans in Congress since Trump carried so many of them to victory. Those who ran away from Trump like Kelly Ayotte didn't do so well. Trump has seemingly taken over the GOP.
For now. It seems as if he is going to really make his supporters mad though with how he has so far indicated he will do things. I doubt by 2018 that being a Trump guy is going to be a good thing.



That seems likely.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The interesting thing for Trump is he really has no allies in government to protect him. GW and Obama had a safety net that many in Congress would go to bat for them and even some from the other party weren't exactly wanting to be the one that attempted to remove a President.

When Trump messes up, and he will, do we really think Republicans like Rubio and McCain, who are still adversarial against him, are going to stand by him when the idea of impeachment happens? As long as it comes from the Democrats first the Republicans have a cover from the "Never Trumpers or Always Trumpers or whatever confusing term we are using".


I think that thought process may have changed a bit for Republicans in Congress since Trump carried so many of them to victory. Those who ran away from Trump like Kelly Ayotte didn't do so well. Trump has seemingly taken over the GOP.
For now. It seems as if he is going to really make his supporters mad though with how he has so far indicated he will do things. I doubt by 2018 that being a Trump guy is going to be a good thing.


It's like all those freshman who came in with Newt Gingerich years ago

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Failing a true very real crime you can get this impeachment thing out of your head and postings. To get a Republican house to indict and a Republican senate to convict is preposterous without there being a truly heinous act.
Bill Clinton was impeached and he was far more popular with Congress than Trump is.

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Failing a true very real crime you can get this impeachment thing out of your head and postings. To get a Republican house to indict and a Republican senate to convict is preposterous without there being a truly heinous act.
Bill Clinton was impeached and he was far more popular with Congress than Trump is.


Right wing radio was calling for Clinton's head. If the Republicans go after Trump their careers will be on the line. Do not see that happening. They were willing to ride Trump to victory. It will take quite a lot for them to turn on him.

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US "citizens" attempting to de-legitimize the US electoral process, constitution, and the president is a hell of a lot more scary.


I'm glad Obama is leaving in a month so we can get back to loving America.


So birtherism is bad but trump is a putin puppet is good. got it. :lol:

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Failing a true very real crime you can get this impeachment thing out of your head and postings. To get a Republican house to indict and a Republican senate to convict is preposterous without there being a truly heinous act.
Bill Clinton was impeached and he was far more popular with Congress than Trump is.


The party of control was not his no matter how he was liked.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The interesting thing for Trump is he really has no allies in government to protect him. GW and Obama had a safety net that many in Congress would go to bat for them and even some from the other party weren't exactly wanting to be the one that attempted to remove a President.

When Trump messes up, and he will, do we really think Republicans like Rubio and McCain, who are still adversarial against him, are going to stand by him when the idea of impeachment happens? As long as it comes from the Democrats first the Republicans have a cover from the "Never Trumpers or Always Trumpers or whatever confusing term we are using".


I think that thought process may have changed a bit for Republicans in Congress since Trump carried so many of them to victory. Those who ran away from Trump like Kelly Ayotte didn't do so well. Trump has seemingly taken over the GOP.


It looks like Rubio is itching to primary him but I agree you both of you. He's taken over the party but they would love to bury him.

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US "citizens" attempting to de-legitimize the US electoral process, constitution, and the president is a hell of a lot more scary.


I'm glad Obama is leaving in a month so we can get back to loving America.


So birtherism is bad but trump is a putin puppet is good. got it. :lol:


It wasn't just birtherism and the situations are entirely different but you're rolling. Team Trump may have actually had knowledge. No doubt Roger Stone had advance notice.

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Failing a true very real crime you can get this impeachment thing out of your head and postings. To get a Republican house to indict and a Republican senate to convict is preposterous without there being a truly heinous act.
Bill Clinton was impeached and he was far more popular with Congress than Trump is.


Right wing radio was calling for Clinton's head. If the Republicans go after Trump their careers will be on the line. Do not see that happening. They were willing to ride Trump to victory. It will take quite a lot for them to turn on him.


Trump isn't going anywhere unless Pence kills him. President Trump is better for the country than President Pence.

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Nas wrote:
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Failing a true very real crime you can get this impeachment thing out of your head and postings. To get a Republican house to indict and a Republican senate to convict is preposterous without there being a truly heinous act.
Bill Clinton was impeached and he was far more popular with Congress than Trump is.


Right wing radio was calling for Clinton's head. If the Republicans go after Trump their careers will be on the line. Do not see that happening. They were willing to ride Trump to victory. It will take quite a lot for them to turn on him.


Trump isn't going anywhere unless Pence kills him. President Trump is better for the country than President Pence.


The CIA will find a way to get rid of Trump if he fails to heed their warnings about allying with Russia.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Failing a true very real crime you can get this impeachment thing out of your head and postings. To get a Republican house to indict and a Republican senate to convict is preposterous without there being a truly heinous act.
Bill Clinton was impeached and he was far more popular with Congress than Trump is.


Right wing radio was calling for Clinton's head. If the Republicans go after Trump their careers will be on the line. Do not see that happening. They were willing to ride Trump to victory. It will take quite a lot for them to turn on him.


Trump isn't going anywhere unless Pence kills him. President Trump is better for the country than President Pence.


The CIA will find a way to get rid of Trump if he fails to heed their warnings about allying with Russia.


It is funny to hear all the bleating in the media about the supposed craziness of those who don't "BELIEVE THE CIA!!!!" when the organization is based on disinformation.

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It is funny to hear all the bleating in the media about the supposed craziness of those who don't "BELIEVE THE CIA!!!!" when the organization is based on disinformation.


coincidentally there is a new book out about CIA incompetency and malfeasance: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/18/books ... .html?_r=0

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Failing a true very real crime you can get this impeachment thing out of your head and postings. To get a Republican house to indict and a Republican senate to convict is preposterous without there being a truly heinous act.
Bill Clinton was impeached and he was far more popular with Congress than Trump is.


Right wing radio was calling for Clinton's head. If the Republicans go after Trump their careers will be on the line. Do not see that happening. They were willing to ride Trump to victory. It will take quite a lot for them to turn on him.


Trump isn't going anywhere unless Pence kills him. President Trump is better for the country than President Pence.


The CIA will find a way to get rid of Trump if he fails to heed their warnings about allying with Russia.

I don't know that I particularly care for that scenario.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Failing a true very real crime you can get this impeachment thing out of your head and postings. To get a Republican house to indict and a Republican senate to convict is preposterous without there being a truly heinous act.
Bill Clinton was impeached and he was far more popular with Congress than Trump is.


Right wing radio was calling for Clinton's head. If the Republicans go after Trump their careers will be on the line. Do not see that happening. They were willing to ride Trump to victory. It will take quite a lot for them to turn on him.

They won't go after him. They just won't protect him. Trump is making a lot of dumb moves that is going to quickly erode his support base. One or two huge scandals while in office and he won't have any cover. It's just a waiting game.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Failing a true very real crime you can get this impeachment thing out of your head and postings. To get a Republican house to indict and a Republican senate to convict is preposterous without there being a truly heinous act.
Bill Clinton was impeached and he was far more popular with Congress than Trump is.


Right wing radio was calling for Clinton's head. If the Republicans go after Trump their careers will be on the line. Do not see that happening. They were willing to ride Trump to victory. It will take quite a lot for them to turn on him.

They won't go after him. They just won't protect him. Trump is making a lot of dumb moves that is going to quickly erode his support base. One or two huge scandals while in office and he won't have any cover. It's just a waiting game.



We'll see. I'm not sure how dumb his moves are. He's certainly unorthodox. I remember Bill Clinton being criticized for being in "perpetual campaign mode". Trump seems to actually still be actively campaigning. I have to laugh a little every time the President of the United States tries to sell me a coffee mug or a t-shirt.

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Nas wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Failing a true very real crime you can get this impeachment thing out of your head and postings. To get a Republican house to indict and a Republican senate to convict is preposterous without there being a truly heinous act.
Bill Clinton was impeached and he was far more popular with Congress than Trump is.


Right wing radio was calling for Clinton's head. If the Republicans go after Trump their careers will be on the line. Do not see that happening. They were willing to ride Trump to victory. It will take quite a lot for them to turn on him.


Trump isn't going anywhere unless Pence kills him. President Trump is better for the country than President Pence.


The CIA will find a way to get rid of Trump if he fails to heed their warnings about allying with Russia.

I don't know that I particularly care for that scenario.


I don't see how a scenario like this or impeachment helps the country. If he sucks hopefully the voters see it and remove him from office.

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If Dems are as smart as they think they are, catching this guy in some impeachable activity shouldn't be that hard.

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Why do we want our president to get impeached?

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If he violates the constitution or commits a felony, etc. I definitely want him impeached.

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If he violates the constitution or commits a felony, etc. I definitely want him impeached.


We have more than enough chaos in our country. I don't want to see the fall of America as we know it. That would likely happen if Trump were impeached.

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If he violates the constitution or commits a felony, etc. I definitely want him impeached.


We have more than enough chaos in our country. I don't want to see the fall of America as we know it. That would likely happen if Trump were impeached.


No that is not what would happen. That would be the government working as it was designed. You know, like a democracy.

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Why do we want our president to get impeached?
I don't want it to happen. I want Trump to be a great President. I think he is going to be involved in so many unethical or illegal dealings that it will become required.

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Ambassador to Turkey is killed. Thread turns into another anti Trump circle jerk.

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Ambassador to Turkey is killed. Thread turns into another anti Trump circle jerk.


It's all connected. Do you have any thoughts on the ambassador? Was he a good man?

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