Nas, I appreciate that you always mention that these are regressive taxes. I think that sometimes gets lost in these conversations.

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Transparency!

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Walmart is the worse for that shit.I always bring my own when I go there otherwise I am leaving with 50 bags each with 2 items in them.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Well, FF's dumb. Didn't know that was news.

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Working class people are to be laughed at, not sympathized with. Rick has it right.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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Rick still failing to see the difference between a Native Reservation and Cook County. Shocking!

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

You've agreed with everything I've said in this thread ya dipshit.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I'm not arguing about specific car models. I'm saying that many SUV's get comparable or superior MPG's to sedans and other types of cars. Now, if we want to talk about fuel efficiency standards that all cars must abide but then I'm fully supportive of something like that, and you know what, they have those!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Immaterial

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I laughed at you for your ridiculous pandering. I'm pretty sure the middle class can handle paper bags.
I'm so confused by your rules. I guess we shouldn't worry about actual pollution of waterways in huge population centers but lets worry about potential pollution of waterways where very few people live!

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Of course they have them, but I don't understand why you find that funny. It's not a Gotcha! We aren't talking about regulating how plastic bags are made. We are talking about banning them because paper bags are more inconvenient but environmentally friendly. The same argument can easily apply t cars or a thousand other products. You just don't have a good answer for that, which is evidenced by your multiple responses that haven't come close to countering the point.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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Pandering? Either you don't know what that means, or you think there's much more at stake in this silly debate than there actually is. I'm a working class guy and I think of things through that lens. Feel free to argue this point with Nas, Peeps, or leash though as they essentially said the same thing.

I explained this in the other thread but Obtuse Rick always needs to hear things more than once. Natives don't live the same way the rest of us do, by choice. The rest of us gave a fat middle finger to the environment long ago and never looked back. I tend to take their views on the environment more seriously than I do a guy who doesn't seem particularly concerned about the environment except in the most trivial of cases, like this one.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Long form vitriolic arguments between Rick and FF make me nostalgic. Maybe there is a little bit of magic left in this world.

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The bold text is correct. However, the parallel would be banning all cars though and we have to come up with the idea if the cost worth the benefit. As I've pointed out and you don't seem to be understanding or acknowledging, many SUV's are as good or better for the environment as normal cars. I actually sold my normal car, bought an SUV, and got improved gas mileage.

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The parallel isn't banning all cars. I'm not sure how you don't get this as I have explained it. You aren't talking about banning all bags. You are talking about taking a product we all use for convenience, grocery bags, and banning the ones most harmful to the environment. To make my analogy even simpler, why aren't Hummers banned? I'm sure your response will be that it gets better gas mileage than a Ford Focus, but it's the same point.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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You know what you are trying to convey when you talk about "working class guys".

What has given you the opinion that I'm not concerned about the environment? I believe the only things I've ever really said was that Carbon taxes are stupid and that if protesters are going to worry about potential water contamination issues they should be worried about much more than some pipeline near a reservation.

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Leash gaining pleasure from the posting battles of others seems to be an emerging trend. I have noted that he interjects short posts to help catalize the discussion. On this page he commends FF, while later questioning his intelligence. It is at these moments where Leash is smiling broadly.

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Is that guy even human? It looks like an alien has penetrated his veins, and he is mere moments away from exploding.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Both have too many chiefs and not enough Indians.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I believe you misspelled 'nauseous'.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Once again, the problem with your statement is that SUV's are not necessarily worse than other types of cars.

Well, Hummers will effectively be banned soon but they aren't produced any more anyways. I'm fine with that too. The fuel efficiency numbers are going way up soon. Most of the cars we drive now probably would not qualify by 2025 if not sooner. Trump may change that though but hopefully not.

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What am I trying to convey? There were no hidden meanings in my posts. I say what's on my mind.

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It's almost always said as a way to portray the person on the other side as some sort of poor hating elitist who doesn't care that the every day man will have to live in a world of bags ripping when he walks home with them in the rain.

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Well, I didn't mean it to come across that way, but if that's what you're worried about then maybe snarkily laughing wasn't the best response.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

There's too much co2 in the atmosphere.
We should ban beer, and fire extinguishers, and bricks breathing to reduce co2 emissions.

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it's a good thing the manufacturing of paper products is a clean, environmentally friendly process

Cow farts will be the death of us all!!1!!!!1!ELEVENTY11!!!

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Well, considering how fast you said this I don't think I was off on your initial intent.

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Here is another point that seemingly didn't get answered.

Was it wrong when leaded gasoline was banned?

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