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Pandering? Either you don't know what that means, or you think there's much more at stake in this silly debate than there actually is. I'm a working class guy and I think of things through that lens. Feel free to argue this point with Nas, Peeps, or leash though as they essentially said the same thing.
You know what you are trying to convey when you talk about "working class guys".

What am I trying to convey? There were no hidden meanings in my posts. I say what's on my mind.
It's almost always said as a way to portray the person on the other side as some sort of poor hating elitist who doesn't care that the every day man will have to live in a world of bags ripping when he walks home with them in the rain.

Well, I didn't mean it to come across that way, but if that's what you're worried about then maybe snarkily laughing wasn't the best response. :lol:
Well, considering how fast you said this I don't think I was off on your initial intent.
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Working class people are to be laughed at, not sympathized with. Rick has it right.

You literally laughed at them! I didn't expect that response from you, but it's why I responded with that quote.

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You literally laughed at them! I didn't expect that response from you, but it's why I responded with that quote.
I laughed at the "working class people" card. You and Donald Trump have a lot in common.

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Pandering? Either you don't know what that means, or you think there's much more at stake in this silly debate than there actually is. I'm a working class guy and I think of things through that lens. Feel free to argue this point with Nas, Peeps, or leash though as they essentially said the same thing.
You know what you are trying to convey when you talk about "working class guys".

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I explained this in the other thread but Obtuse Rick always needs to hear things more than once. Natives don't live the same way the rest of us do, by choice. The rest of us gave a fat middle finger to the environment long ago and never looked back. I tend to take their views on the environment more seriously than I do a guy who doesn't seem particularly concerned about the environment except in the most trivial of cases, like this one.
:lol: What has given you the opinion that I'm not concerned about the environment? I believe the only things I've ever really said was that Carbon taxes are stupid and that if protesters are going to worry about potential water contamination issues they should be worried about much more than some pipeline near a reservation.


You know this isn't about the environment though. It's all about creating more revenue for local governments. If it were about the environment they would start with eliminating the plastic on all the products in grocery stores.

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You literally laughed at them! I didn't expect that response from you, but it's why I responded with that quote.
I laughed at the "working class people" card. You and Donald Trump have a lot in common.

What do Trump and I have in common? Are you under the impression that I'm some denisdman type of rich guy just using working class people as some abstract example to make an argument? I'm speaking from what I know.

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You know this isn't about the environment though. It's all about creating more revenue for local governments. If it were about the environment they would start with eliminating the plastic on all the products in grocery stores.
From what I understand those, these specific bags make up an inordinate amount of local pollution and end up in lakes and rivers in huge numbers which causes issues not only when they first get there but as they break down.

Also, many of them are complete bans. I'd much prefer a ban over a tax. Do you agree?

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You know this isn't about the environment though. It's all about creating more revenue for local governments. If it were about the environment they would start with eliminating the plastic on all the products in grocery stores.
From what I understand those, these specific bags make up an inordinate amount of local pollution and end up in lakes and rivers in huge numbers which causes issues not only when they first get there but as they break down.


So the issue isn't with the bags. It's with how people discard them.

We should ban littering.

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 Post subject: Re: Plastic bag bans
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You literally laughed at them! I didn't expect that response from you, but it's why I responded with that quote.
I laughed at the "working class people" card. You and Donald Trump have a lot in common.

What do Trump and I have in common? Are you under the impression that I'm some denisdman type of rich guy just using working class people as some abstract example to make an argument? I'm speaking from what I know.
I was joking about the Trump thing.

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I kinda wondered if you were the type of fella to have kneepads.

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 Post subject: Re: Plastic bag bans
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You know this isn't about the environment though. It's all about creating more revenue for local governments. If it were about the environment they would start with eliminating the plastic on all the products in grocery stores.
From what I understand those, these specific bags make up an inordinate amount of local pollution and end up in lakes and rivers in huge numbers which causes issues not only when they first get there but as they break down.

Also, many of them are complete bans. I'd much prefer a ban over a tax. Do you agree?



These bags are recycled by every store chain. And they provide places to drop them off.

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You know this isn't about the environment though. It's all about creating more revenue for local governments. If it were about the environment they would start with eliminating the plastic on all the products in grocery stores.
From what I understand those, these specific bags make up an inordinate amount of local pollution and end up in lakes and rivers in huge numbers which causes issues not only when they first get there but as they break down.

Also, many of them are complete bans. I'd much prefer a ban over a tax. Do you agree?



These bags are recycled by every store chain. And they provide places to drop them off.
They can do that with paper bags just as easily.

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You know this isn't about the environment though. It's all about creating more revenue for local governments. If it were about the environment they would start with eliminating the plastic on all the products in grocery stores.
From what I understand those, these specific bags make up an inordinate amount of local pollution and end up in lakes and rivers in huge numbers which causes issues not only when they first get there but as they break down.

Also, many of them are complete bans. I'd much prefer a ban over a tax. Do you agree?



These bags are recycled by every store chain. And they provide places to drop them off.

http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=104207

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You know this isn't about the environment though. It's all about creating more revenue for local governments. If it were about the environment they would start with eliminating the plastic on all the products in grocery stores.
From what I understand those, these specific bags make up an inordinate amount of local pollution and end up in lakes and rivers in huge numbers which causes issues not only when they first get there but as they break down.

Also, many of them are complete bans. I'd much prefer a ban over a tax. Do you agree?


Use Target style bags and that problem is solved.

Of course I would. That isn't the point.

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Nas wrote:
You know this isn't about the environment though. It's all about creating more revenue for local governments. If it were about the environment they would start with eliminating the plastic on all the products in grocery stores.
From what I understand those, these specific bags make up an inordinate amount of local pollution and end up in lakes and rivers in huge numbers which causes issues not only when they first get there but as they break down.

Also, many of them are complete bans. I'd much prefer a ban over a tax. Do you agree?



These bags are recycled by every store chain. And they provide places to drop them off.

http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=104207



Thank you.

It's just another bullshit tax.

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Ok, let's keep the tax stuff out of it since it gets people so fired up.

A ban is ok though right?

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Seacrest wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
You know this isn't about the environment though. It's all about creating more revenue for local governments. If it were about the environment they would start with eliminating the plastic on all the products in grocery stores.
From what I understand those, these specific bags make up an inordinate amount of local pollution and end up in lakes and rivers in huge numbers which causes issues not only when they first get there but as they break down.

Also, many of them are complete bans. I'd much prefer a ban over a tax. Do you agree?



These bags are recycled by every store chain. And they provide places to drop them off.

http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=104207



Thank you.

It's just another bullshit tax.

Well we certainly agree on that issue. What are we up to now, three things? :D

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Ok, let's keep the tax stuff out of it since it gets people so fired up.

A ban is ok though right?

I doubt I would support a ban, but I'd have to at least see a reasonable CBA first. The link your OP didn't have one.

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A ban is ok though right?


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You literally laughed at them! I didn't expect that response from you, but it's why I responded with that quote.
I laughed at the "working class people" card. You and Donald Trump have a lot in common.

What do Trump and I have in common? Are you under the impression that I'm some denisdman type of rich guy just using working class people as some abstract example to make an argument? I'm speaking from what I know.


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You literally laughed at them! I didn't expect that response from you, but it's why I responded with that quote.
I laughed at the "working class people" card. You and Donald Trump have a lot in common.

What do Trump and I have in common? Are you under the impression that I'm some denisdman type of rich guy just using working class people as some abstract example to make an argument? I'm speaking from what I know.


Welcome to the club. Remind me to show you the secret hand shake next time.

Awesome. You already showed me how you have to carry your latest tax return around in your wallet. What else do I need to know?

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So, the leaded gasoline ban, good or bad?

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So, the leaded gasoline ban, good or bad?


MANY people are saying that it was great. TOTALLY different than an argument at plastic bags. IF we are okay with plastic everywhere else in the grocery store why not ban thin plastic bags. Clearly Target plastic bags aren't causing the same problems.

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You literally laughed at them! I didn't expect that response from you, but it's why I responded with that quote.
I laughed at the "working class people" card. You and Donald Trump have a lot in common.

What do Trump and I have in common? Are you under the impression that I'm some denisdman type of rich guy just using working class people as some abstract example to make an argument? I'm speaking from what I know.


Welcome to the club. Remind me to show you the secret hand shake next time.

Awesome. You already showed me how you have to carry your latest tax return around in your wallet. What else do I need to know?


We'll start with properly securing your alcoholic beverage and then move on to discretely removing replica talk show host cut outs. From there, we'll discuss preference items in the AMT since you have shown an interest in tax returns.

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So, the leaded gasoline ban, good or bad?


MANY people are saying that it was great. TOTALLY different than an argument at plastic bags. IF we are okay with plastic everywhere else in the grocery store why not ban thin plastic bags. Clearly Target plastic bags aren't causing the same problems.
I think that would be a good discussion too but we can't solve everything in one movement.

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The funny thing is while I was in the act I remember thinking I was being pretty discreet. By the time I got to the door I thought I was home free.

Who's idea was that by the way? It wasn't mine.

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The funny thing is while I was in the act I remember thinking I was being pretty discreet. By the time I got to the door I thought I was home free.

Who's idea was that by the way? It wasn't mine.


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The funny thing is while I was in the act I remember thinking I was being pretty discreet. By the time I got to the door I thought I was home free.

Who's idea was that by the way? It wasn't mine.

leash and I, I think.

From our vantage point, you missed that fine line of confidently going about your work while not making any overt movements to otherwise attract attention ... close, but no cigar.

Which is a bummer b/c I figured we could do something (what exactly, I don't know ... didn't have to bother thinking about it) along the lines of what they did in Major League ... or you could've done a running travelogue of sorts by taking it places and taking pictures of it with a sentence or two like a lot of internet fruits love to do.

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So why not use a reusable bag? They are even better than plastic bags for rain and making only 1 trip, they tear even less than bags. You can't use them as a garbage though but I'm not sure that is a reason to continue with them.


I have 3 of these that are about 5 years old. My wife found someone who makes them and the bags are very sturdy. You can cram a lot of groceries in them. I always use them.


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Paper > Plastic

If they have handles you can carry MANY at a time. Try shopping at somewhere a little more high class than Jewel and maybe you can get yourself a better bag.

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Paper > Plastic

If they have handles you can carry MANY at a time. Try shopping at somewhere a little more high class than Jewel and maybe you can get yourself a better bag.

What places have the handles on the paper bags (which, as you say, are far superior)? Trader Joe's? Fresh Market maybe? I don't get out much so you'd have to tell me.

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