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 Post subject: Re: Fake News
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:46 pm 
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So LTG, you would say that there is no problem currently with fake news being presented as actual news?

I think the President or Breitbart is about to be running the county, so nobody on the Right should be bitching about fake news.


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So LTG, you would say that there is no problem currently with fake news being presented as actual news?


Not really. I think it is a problem with people that choose to believe it. It's just like gossip. When someone presents you with gossip you have a choice as to whether you want to believe it or not.

I think the movement to delegitimize the news is far more problematic and dangerous. I also see the movement to politicize everything as problematic. Things that are factual are now conveniently dismissed merely because people oppose the reporters political views. That is dangerous.

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So LTG, you would say that there is no problem currently with fake news being presented as actual news?

I think the President or Breitbart is about to be running the county, so nobody on the Right should be bitching about fake news.

So there's no problem currently with fake news.

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 Post subject: Re: Fake News
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So LTG, you would say that there is no problem currently with fake news being presented as actual news?


Not really. I think it is a problem with people that choose to believe it. It's just like gossip. When someone presents you with gossip you have a choice as to whether you want to believe it or not.

I think the movement to delegitimize the news is far more problematic and dangerous. I also see the movement to politicize everything as problematic. Things that are factual are now conveniently dismissed merely because people oppose the reporters political views. That is dangerous.

Fair enough. I would agree that people ought to have a more well refined bullshit detector.
I do believe however, that the news outlets are certainly trying to strong influence the elections. When it more or less failed as it did I November they can't understand why. It's kind of amusing I suppose.

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 Post subject: Re: Fake News
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:57 pm 
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Darkside wrote:
So LTG, you would say that there is no problem currently with fake news being presented as actual news?

I think the President or Breitbart is about to be running the county, so nobody on the Right should be bitching about fake news.

So there's no problem currently with fake news.

So you are ok with the architect of fake news essentially running the White House?


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 Post subject: Re: Fake News
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:58 pm 
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So LTG, you would say that there is no problem currently with fake news being presented as actual news?


Not really. I think it is a problem with people that choose to believe it. It's just like gossip. When someone presents you with gossip you have a choice as to whether you want to believe it or not.

I think the movement to delegitimize the news is far more problematic and dangerous. I also see the movement to politicize everything as problematic. Things that are factual are now conveniently dismissed merely because people oppose the reporters political views. That is dangerous.

Fair enough. I would agree that people ought to have a more well refined bullshit detector.
I do believe however, that the news outlets are certainly trying to strong influence the elections. When it more or less failed as it did I November they can't understand why. It's kind of amusing I suppose.

Au contraire my dear Darko. It was quite successful.


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The issue here really is that certain places like Facebook are trying to position themselves as a trusted news source even though the content does not come from them directly. There is a logical expectation that they have done some vetting of the source to at least have some sort of plausible reason to believe it contains legitimate news. If a newspaper reprinted an article they got from these sites we would be questioning the very existence of that paper. Facebook is not that much different and they have a duty to at least put some effort in vetting the sites they allow.

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 Post subject: Re: Fake News
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So LTG, you would say that there is no problem currently with fake news being presented as actual news?

I think the President or Breitbart is about to be running the county, so nobody on the Right should be bitching about fake news.

So there's no problem currently with fake news.

So you are ok with the architect of fake news essentially running the White House?

He's the what now?

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 Post subject: Re: Fake News
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:06 pm 
If you get your news from Facebook, please remove yourself from the voting rolls.


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 Post subject: Re: Fake News
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:06 pm 
Darkside wrote:
Baby McNown wrote:
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Baby McNown wrote:
Darkside wrote:
So LTG, you would say that there is no problem currently with fake news being presented as actual news?

I think the President or Breitbart is about to be running the county, so nobody on the Right should be bitching about fake news.

So there's no problem currently with fake news.

So you are ok with the architect of fake news essentially running the White House?

He's the what now?

The President of Breitbart, but you knew that.


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 Post subject: Re: Fake News
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The issue here really is that certain places like Facebook are trying to position themselves as a trusted news source even though the content does not come from them directly. There is a logical expectation that they have done some vetting of the source to at least have some sort of plausible reason to believe it contains legitimate news. If a newspaper reprinted an article they got from these sites we would be questioning the very existence of that paper. Facebook is not that much different and they have a duty to at least put some effort in vetting the sites they allow.


Except Facebook has previously argued vehemently that a private organization should not have the power to make content-based restrictions on what people see on the internet. So Comcast can't (or shouldn't) restrict access to Facebook in favor in Linkedin, or make it harder to view Netflix just because, yet Facebook not only can restrict what kinds of content people see, but has a duty to be such an arbiter? That's a bad look.


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 Post subject: Re: Fake News
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Except Facebook has previously argued vehemently that a private organization should not have the power to make content-based restrictions on what people see on the internet. So Comcast can't (or shouldn't) restrict access to Facebook in favor in Linkedin, or make it harder to view Netflix just because, yet Facebook not only can restrict what kinds of content people see, but has a duty to be such an arbiter? That's a bad look.
It is a tough balancing act but they aren't "restricting" anything. They are adjusting their ad buying policies which is a feature of facebook that no one is promised and they are looking into better integration with fact checking sites.

The Comcast issue is completely separate.

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Baby McNown wrote:
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Darkside wrote:
So LTG, you would say that there is no problem currently with fake news being presented as actual news?

I think the President or Breitbart is about to be running the county, so nobody on the Right should be bitching about fake news.

So there's no problem currently with fake news.

So you are ok with the architect of fake news essentially running the White House?

He's the what now?

The President of Breitbart, but you knew that.

Riiiight.
Ok! Great chat!
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 Post subject: Re: Fake News
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:19 pm 
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Darkside wrote:
Baby McNown wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Baby McNown wrote:
I think the President or Breitbart is about to be running the county, so nobody on the Right should be bitching about fake news.

So there's no problem currently with fake news.

So you are ok with the architect of fake news essentially running the White House?

He's the what now?

The President of Breitbart, but you knew that.

Riiiight.
Ok! Great chat!
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So like I said. You are ok with the architect of fake news running the WH. Good chat.


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 Post subject: Re: Fake News
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:41 pm 
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Baby you're a very unique man.

Thanks Darko.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The issue here really is that certain places like Facebook are trying to position themselves as a trusted news source even though the content does not come from them directly. There is a logical expectation that they have done some vetting of the source to at least have some sort of plausible reason to believe it contains legitimate news. If a newspaper reprinted an article they got from these sites we would be questioning the very existence of that paper. Facebook is not that much different and they have a duty to at least put some effort in vetting the sites they allow.



Either that or allow everything and let the users sort it out for themselves. It's ludicrous to believe that the censorship is not going to break down along ideological lines at least to some degree. For example, I can find all kinds of imams wishing death to Jews on Twitter but Milo has been banned.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The issue here really is that certain places like Facebook are trying to position themselves as a trusted news source even though the content does not come from them directly. There is a logical expectation that they have done some vetting of the source to at least have some sort of plausible reason to believe it contains legitimate news. If a newspaper reprinted an article they got from these sites we would be questioning the very existence of that paper. Facebook is not that much different and they have a duty to at least put some effort in vetting the sites they allow.



Either that or allow everything and let the users sort it out for themselves. It's ludicrous to believe that the censorship is not going to break down along ideological lines at least to some degree. For example, I can find all kinds of imams wishing death to Jews on Twitter but Milo has been banned.
I guess it depends on what we are talking about here.

If we are talking about racist uncles sharing from "WHITE GUYZ LIVES MATTER" then I agree.

If we are talking about integrated features in the facebook program for sharing news/ads then facebook has at least some responsibility to not let anything in there. I think we need to view those types of things the same way we do the reprinting of articles from outside sources in newspapers.

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 Post subject: Re: Fake News
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The Anti-Defamation League called the original story "misinformation"!

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“We spoke with the family, who explained that they went on a previously-planned vacation for the holidays,” said ADL Regional Director Nancy Baron-Baer. “Stories like this can sow fear in the Jewish community and beyond, and it is important to stop the spread of misinformation.”


The assumption that they left for anything other than a vacation was inaccurate. That's far different than direct quotes being inaccurate. I'm sure you understand that but it doesn't fit the narrative that you're trumpeting.


So...you're just not going to touch the "not taking any chances quote" not only being the obvious impetus of the "fled" narrative, but also the fact that it is completely nonsensical unless it is uttered to explain why someone is doing something like fleeing?

Except, that's exactly what happened. Here's how the Lancaster Online story reads now:

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After seeing reader comments like “It would be nice if we had the addresses of those concerned citizens and, I bet, this info is known to people living in the area” on the Breitbart story, the parents pulled their child out of school.

“There’s no way we’re going to take a chance after the pizza incident,” they said, referencing the man who fired an assault rifle in a Washington D.C area pizzeria after reading a fake-news story that said Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring out of there.

An earlier version of this story stated the family had fled the county over fears for their child’s safety. But the Anti-Defamation League, in a statement posted Thursday, said it had spoken to the family and the family said it was traveling on vacation.



WTF are you talking about? You fucking quoted me and I put that quote in bold. The statement by the Defamation League does NOT say that quote is inaccurate. The assumption that they left because of that statement and other WAS inaccurate. That's not fake news.

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The issue here really is that certain places like Facebook are trying to position themselves as a trusted news source even though the content does not come from them directly. There is a logical expectation that they have done some vetting of the source to at least have some sort of plausible reason to believe it contains legitimate news. If a newspaper reprinted an article they got from these sites we would be questioning the very existence of that paper. Facebook is not that much different and they have a duty to at least put some effort in vetting the sites they allow.


This is where I side with JORR and probably Juice. I don't think Facebook should decide what's real or not. I don't think that type of censorship is productive.

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It should be fairly well known that anything you read on Facebook is suspicious at best.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The issue here really is that certain places like Facebook are trying to position themselves as a trusted news source even though the content does not come from them directly. There is a logical expectation that they have done some vetting of the source to at least have some sort of plausible reason to believe it contains legitimate news. If a newspaper reprinted an article they got from these sites we would be questioning the very existence of that paper. Facebook is not that much different and they have a duty to at least put some effort in vetting the sites they allow.


This is where I side with JORR and probably Juice. I don't think Facebook should decide what's real or not. I don't think that type of censorship is productive.
They are positioning themselves as a news source though. That makes it different.

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The issue here really is that certain places like Facebook are trying to position themselves as a trusted news source even though the content does not come from them directly. There is a logical expectation that they have done some vetting of the source to at least have some sort of plausible reason to believe it contains legitimate news. If a newspaper reprinted an article they got from these sites we would be questioning the very existence of that paper. Facebook is not that much different and they have a duty to at least put some effort in vetting the sites they allow.


This is where I side with JORR and probably Juice. I don't think Facebook should decide what's real or not. I don't think that type of censorship is productive.
They are positioning themselves as a news source though. That makes it different.


They aren't though. Most fake news is shared on Facebook. I see no reason for them to censor what people can share. IF they want to restrict ads that's their right but I still think it's the wrong move to make. They aren't going to stop people from believing bullshit. There are too MANY places to go on the internet to find bullshit. Also that type of censorship will only create more "Facebook Doesn't Want You To Know" crap.

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The issue here really is that certain places like Facebook are trying to position themselves as a trusted news source even though the content does not come from them directly. There is a logical expectation that they have done some vetting of the source to at least have some sort of plausible reason to believe it contains legitimate news. If a newspaper reprinted an article they got from these sites we would be questioning the very existence of that paper. Facebook is not that much different and they have a duty to at least put some effort in vetting the sites they allow.


This is where I side with JORR and probably Juice. I don't think Facebook should decide what's real or not. I don't think that type of censorship is productive.
They are positioning themselves as a news source though. That makes it different.


They aren't though. Most fake news is shared on Facebook. I see no reason for them to censor what people can share. IF they want to restrict ads that's their right but I still think it's the wrong move to make. They aren't going to stop people from believing bullshit. There are too MANY places to go on the internet to find bullshit. Also that type of censorship will only create more "Facebook Doesn't Want You To Know" crap.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/facebook-news-feed-news-focus/

Now, we can question whether they should be doing that or not but they clearly do.

To have a news feed and then have these things in there is a problem.

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I read through this thread, and it seems the Left wants to restrict/censor free speech. People are too "dumb" to discern what is real or fake, so someone who is "really smart" needs to decide this for them. This is elitist, condescending, and wrong. The people can figure out what is real and fake for themselves, w/o Zuckerberg's assistance.

Makes you wonder who the "real" fascists are.


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Literally the only person in this thread that supported censorship of any kind is a republican.

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I'm new to posting here, so I sincerely do not know which parties any of you are affiliated with. That said, the move to censor "fake news" is clearly coming from the Left. Hillary's pizza shop is the example often used.

And I'm not sure if you are accusing me of being a mult, but I assure you "Heisenberg" is the only name I have ever posted under.


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And I'm not sure if you are accusing me of being a mult, but I assure you "Heisenberg" is the only name I have ever posted under.


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