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I am bothered by statements of fact that are just opinions. I listen pretty regularly and never heard Bernstein say anything remotely like that. Doesn't even sound like something he would say on air.


Your opinion that the facts I am discussing are opinions is erroneous. Bernstein used to talk about his career trajectory fairly frequently in his looser, more improvisational, pot-smoking days (which he also used to allude to on the air). His on-air persona has shifted pretty significantly over the past two decades.

I can't say I've heard everything Bernstein has ever said on the air but I've listened to The Score from day 1 on a regular basis and have never heard that mentioned. (The pot smoking references were while at Duke IIRC). Doubt that he was being recruited to ESPN prior to his ascension to host at WSCR.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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I am bothered by statements of fact that are just opinions. I listen pretty regularly and never heard Bernstein say anything remotely like that. Doesn't even sound like something he would say on air.


Your opinion that the facts I am discussing are opinions is erroneous. Bernstein used to talk about his career trajectory fairly frequently in his looser, more improvisational, pot-smoking days (which he also used to allude to on the air). His on-air persona has shifted pretty significantly over the past two decades.

I can't say I've heard everything Bernstein has ever said on the air but I've listened to The Score from day 1 on a regular basis and have never heard that mentioned. (The pot smoking references were while at Duke IIRC). Doubt that he was being recruited to ESPN prior to his ascension to host at WSCR.


Sounds like you haven't listened as long or as frequently as you claim.

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People don't need to actually listen to the station or to specific people on the SCORE to hold (Usually wrong)opinions about them.

Look at Spaulding.

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I've listened enough to know it sucks. Fact! Not opinion.

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I don't think I'd like to sit there and have people tell me I'm a great guy for 5 straight hours.

Not that it would happen. But, I could imagine it being too weird.


no, you just started a podcast to do it in one hour bursts every weekend. 8)


To be fair, I didn't tell Doc that he was a great guy. Not once.

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I don't think I'd like to sit there and have people tell me I'm a great guy for 5 straight hours.

Not that it would happen. But, I could imagine it being too weird.


no, you just started a podcast to do it in one hour bursts every weekend. 8)


To be fair, I didn't tell Doc that he was a great guy. Not once.


I didn't think that was fair at all.

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Is Hochberg king of the mic-sniffers or what.


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Just in case you get a little sad and need some Terry.

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Did they cut Hochberg off at the end to do some Menard's commercial?

It seemed abrupt.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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I don't think I'd like to sit there and have people tell me I'm a great guy for 5 straight hours.

Not that it would happen. But, I could imagine it being too weird.


no, you just started a podcast to do it in one hour bursts every weekend. 8)


To be fair, I didn't tell Doc that he was a great guy. Not once.


I didn't think that was fair at all.


Very unfair. Very mean.

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As a long time listener and rare poster here's my take on the finale:

- So why the hell was Terry crying like a bitch last month when he was just announcing the last show? He had everyone thinking he was on death's door.

-After watching/listening it is sad how far the Score has fallen. Yes the HFC was "must listen radio" but those days have long since passed. The farewell show would have made more sense as a 25 year celebration. As was pointed out, love him or hate him, North put the Score on the map. Danny Mac came out with guns blazing.

-To hear people repeatedly fawn over Terry for five hours was ridiculous. He had so little regard for listeners he decided years ago to let Bernstein dominate the show and agree with anything he said. We were left with a stuttering, irrelevant, housebound yes man who bragged about NOT watching sports. And his occasional insistence that he talked to "his guy."

- As someone who could care less about sports, I was an avid listener because it was the most entertaining thing on the air. There is no reason to listen anymore. RIP 670.


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Just got here.

Wow, some of the revisionist history here is nothing short of amazing.

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I think a lot of board members here owe Boers an apology. The love and respect that virtually everyone at The Score had for him is impressive. It also would be smart to view Bernstein the same way.

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Chus wrote:
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I don't think I'd like to sit there and have people tell me I'm a great guy for 5 straight hours.

Not that it would happen. But, I could imagine it being too weird.


no, you just started a podcast to do it in one hour bursts every weekend. 8)


To be fair, I didn't tell Doc that he was a great guy. Not once.


I didn't think that was fair at all.


Very unfair. Very mean.


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i listened here and there but made sure i listened to the last ~1/2 hour

it was very odd i thought. I guess i just assumed Bernstein would be with him for the last hour or at least 1/2 hour, and i missed whatever it was here said. Not that i mind really. But Hochberg was really bizarre, i'm sitting there watching the clock strike 6:00 and saying to myself, is this really going to be the guy that closes this thing out ? I mean that would be beyond weird. Even Terry's final comment was kind of weird. It started out nice and sentimental, then it seemed like when he finished everyone was waiting for him to say something else, was kind of an awkward pause before the applause and cheering

and as others mentioned i think, it did seem like more a Score funeral than anything else....by having basically an over the top celebration for the first X number of years and pretty much ignoring the current, doesn't seem like a good look moving forward


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-To hear people repeatedly fawn over Terry for five hours was ridiculous. He had so little regard for listeners he decided years ago to let Bernstein dominate the show and agree with anything he said. We were left with a stuttering, irrelevant, housebound yes man who bragged about NOT watching sports. And his occasional insistence that he talked to "his guy."

- As someone who could care less about sports, I was an avid listener because it was the most entertaining thing on the air. There is no reason to listen anymore. RIP 670.


This sums it up for me. I attribute the fawning to general courtesy for a person who had a big hand in the station's success. And it was clear that success was in doubt in the early days.

In Terry's little exchange with Drinky, he all but admitted to not being good at making friends and not letting people into his life. I am having trouble reconciling that with the numerous descriptions of him as a mentor who was there whenever a co-worker was feeling down. Hell, how often was he even in the hallway given his ISDN line? Always hard to separate the truth from the courtesy flattery.

I still loved Terry for his DH columns, Chicago Sports Fire (that's what they called it, right?), and HFC. Even the early days of B&B were entertaining to me. But I have never been more disappointed in someone wasting his talent as the last decade was nothing short of packing it in.

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Why? Because I'm pretty sure Bernstein and Greenberg were pretty tight at one time.


That just means Bernstein didn't treat him with the typical contemptuous disdain that he does everybody else. Nobody could be close to the weaselly little shit Bernstein.


How long have you listened to the Score? Bernstein began his career as a oratorical populist in keeping with Score tradition. He didn't significantly alter his on-air persona--and the trajectory of the station--until 2002 or so, when he and Boers began focusing on the culture of sports and sports fandom rather than sports per se. This shift in tone and substance also marked Bernstein's transition from an ideological liberal to a neoliberal who manifested his political metamorphosis by cultivating an aesthetic of humiliation--akin to that of early reality TV--on the radio.

All of this is another way of saying that Bernstein seems to have been a very different person in the first decade of his career than he is today.


I would think it's more likely he just wasn't comfortable asserting himself and his personality on day one. He's a Gen X-er, not a Millennial who has no problem coming in as an entry level employee and telling the CEO how to run the company in his first week on the job.

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Even Terry's final comment was kind of weird. It started out nice and sentimental, then it seemed like when he finished everyone was waiting for him to say something else


Kind of like one of his columns.

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-To hear people repeatedly fawn over Terry for five hours was ridiculous. He had so little regard for listeners he decided years ago to let Bernstein dominate the show and agree with anything he said. We were left with a stuttering, irrelevant, housebound yes man who bragged about NOT watching sports. And his occasional insistence that he talked to "his guy."

- As someone who could care less about sports, I was an avid listener because it was the most entertaining thing on the air. There is no reason to listen anymore. RIP 670.


This sums it up for me. I attribute the fawning to general courtesy for a person who had a big hand in the station's success. And it was clear that success was in doubt in the early days.

In Terry's little exchange with Drinky, he all but admitted to not being good at making friends and not letting people into his life. I am having trouble reconciling that with the numerous descriptions of him as a mentor who was there whenever a co-worker was feeling down. Hell, how often was he even in the hallway given his ISDN line? Always hard to separate the truth from the courtesy flattery.

I still loved Terry for his DH columns, Chicago Sports Fire (that's what they called it, right?), and HFC. Even the early days of B&B were entertaining to me. But I have never been more disappointed in someone wasting his talent as the last decade was nothing short of packing it in.



He kinda "slipped" a couple times. Said he was now looking at the future. So my guess is, he had cancer and thought death was close. Said at the end, his wife now has a broken down him. So, is death knocking on his door? The drinky stuff was fucking weird as well as the ending with the mortgage guy. I missed a little of the 3rd part of the show, so I did not hear Danny or Learry, not sure if it was a reallllllly goood show or not.


I wish Doug Baffone was still alive for this. That would of been great.


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Cashman, the only part that was really entertaining was the Danny Mac piece. Having all the producers tell Terry how he helped them with their careers was nice and all for Terry, but it didn't mean anything to me. I am glad it's all over. The guy has been retired for a decade, so yesterday was just a formality.

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The key thing is that terry's not a radio legend; he's been around for a while, but not a legend- he's not Dahl, he's not Wally Phillips, he's not Brandmeier - he's just a guy who's been around for a long time. And he's a guy who's been mailing it in for the last ten years.


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Just got here.

Wow, some of the revisionist history here is nothing short of amazing.


Your first person observations of the situations would be valued and appreciated

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The key thing is that terry's not a radio legend; he's been around for a while, but not a legend- he's not Dahl, he's not Wally Phillips, he's not Brandmeier - he's just a guy who's been around for a long time. And he's a guy who's been mailing it in for the last ten years.


I think that minimizes his importance to the genre. On the macro level of radio, even radio in Chicago, no, I don't think you can list him as a legend. He most certainly is in Chicago sports radio. I don't think there is any debate that he is on the Mt. Rushmore of that subset.

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Why? Because I'm pretty sure Bernstein and Greenberg were pretty tight at one time.


That just means Bernstein didn't treat him with the typical contemptuous disdain that he does everybody else. Nobody could be close to the weaselly little shit Bernstein.


How long have you listened to the Score? Bernstein began his career as a oratorical populist in keeping with Score tradition. He didn't significantly alter his on-air persona--and the trajectory of the station--until 2002 or so, when he and Boers began focusing on the culture of sports and sports fandom rather than sports per se. This shift in tone and substance also marked Bernstein's transition from an ideological liberal to a neoliberal who manifested his political metamorphosis by cultivating an aesthetic of humiliation--akin to that of early reality TV--on the radio.

All of this is another way of saying that Bernstein seems to have been a very different person in the first decade of his career than he is today.


I would think it's more likely he just wasn't comfortable asserting himself and his personality on day one. He's a Gen X-er, not a Millennial who has no problem coming in as an entry level employee and telling the CEO how to run the company in his first week on the job.


Maybe you're right. I don't have a personal connection to Bernstein, so I can only go by what I hear on the radio. The transformation of the Score--from its early identity as "the voice of the fan" to a propaganda tool for sports ownership and the mouthpiece for a corporate ethos more broadly--has always been more interesting to me than the behind the scenes personal stuff. And Bernstein has been the driving force behind that transformation, as exemplified by the metamorphosis of his own on-air persona. I have no idea if the shift in his radio identity corresponds to a radical change in his personality in his private life. But since Leash thinks Bernstein is a good guy in real life, I'm willing to bet my life's savings that Bernstein likely comes off as Satan's chief disciple to anyone who knows him off the air. Still, though, I have no way of gauging whether Bernstein has always been a horrible human being or not.

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Bernstein has seen great success making fun of stupid callers and make no mistake, Bernstein is right with most of the callers he trashes.

However, he also became bored and complacent and wanted to be more important than a guy cashing big checks making fun of idiots so he got big into a few social causes. That has started to go away somewhat and I think it coincides with him being more and more involved with One Step.

I think this new show will probably be a good challenge for him. I also wonder if he will see the sincere admiration many had for Boers and wonder if he can one day have a similar impact. Probably not though.

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Bernstein has seen great success making fun of stupid callers and make no mistake, Bernstein is right with most of the callers he trashes.

However, he also became bored and complacent and wanted to be more important than a guy cashing big checks making fun of idiots so he got big into a few social causes. That has started to go away somewhat and I think it coincides with him being more and more involved with One Step.

I think this new show will probably be a good challenge for him. I also wonder if he will see the sincere admiration many had for Boers and wonder if he can one day have a similar impact. Probably not though.


Bernstein will be remembered as one of the two or three most influential personalities in the history of Chicago sports talk, but he will never be loved.

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You may call it depressing, for me on a day that was for Terry (and not necessarily the listener) I thought it was highly appropriate that he essentially ends by telling a story that he never intended to tell. Mac has let the cat out of that bag a few times over the years but not with any specifics, and now at the end Terry explains what really defines him.

For everyone getting all over Terry about he and the show being over 10 years ago, he was a good negotiator and negotiated staying home a lot of days. The show has certainly dropped off over the years, beginning with being switched to drive time, then Penn State, then CTE, but it's still the funniest show between the two stations, and the least vanilla. Terry being a parrot wore thin but I'm really going to miss him and ultimately the Score will too.

Say what you want about Matty, Terry clearly loves him and felt the most comfortable with him. Although I will note that Mac at one time was that close to Terry, but it should be pretty obvious now that Terry has selected Matty to replace him.

My hope would be that in a month or so they figure out to put Jason back on the show, do a poor man's three man booth and let Rozner affix to Spiegs. I'd listen to that. I'm the biggest drinky fan on this site but even I think he needs Jason to round him out and Jason would benefit from being the third voice rather than the second.

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Cashman, the only part that was really entertaining was the Danny Mac piece. Having all the producers tell Terry how he helped them with their careers was nice and all for Terry, but it didn't mean anything to me. I am glad it's all over. The guy has been retired for a decade, so yesterday was just a formality.




100% agree!


He has been mailing it in for a while. I just found out he was staying home and broadcasting a couple weeks ago. Every once in a while, I would notice his voice sounded different.


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