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Bernstein has seen great success making fun of stupid callers and make no mistake, Bernstein is right with most of the callers he trashes.


you mean the callers that get put through specifically for the purpose of being trashed ?


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Bernstein has seen great success making fun of stupid callers and make no mistake, Bernstein is right with most of the callers he trashes.


you mean the callers that get put through specifically for the purpose of being trashed ?
As compared to the callers that aren't put through?

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Bernstein has seen great success making fun of stupid callers and make no mistake, Bernstein is right with most of the callers he trashes.

However, he also became bored and complacent and wanted to be more important than a guy cashing big checks making fun of idiots so he got big into a few social causes. That has started to go away somewhat and I think it coincides with him being more and more involved with One Step.

I think this new show will probably be a good challenge for him. I also wonder if he will see the sincere admiration many had for Boers and wonder if he can one day have a similar impact. Probably not though.


Bernstein will be remembered as one of the two or three most influential personalities in the history of Chicago sports talk, but he will never be loved.


and he will despise that he shares that stage with North

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The key thing is that terry's not a radio legend; he's been around for a while, but not a legend- he's not Dahl, he's not Wally Phillips, he's not Brandmeier - he's just a guy who's been around for a long time. And he's a guy who's been mailing it in for the last ten years.


I think that minimizes his importance to the genre. On the macro level of radio, even radio in Chicago, no, I don't think you can list him as a legend. He most certainly is in Chicago sports radio. I don't think there is any debate that he is on the Mt. Rushmore of that subset.

in sports radio, certainly. He North and Mac.

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I don't think bernstein is a great guy because he stopped for some conversation with us, the listeners, at a remote. But I will say he was different in person. For one thing he didn't use the over-enunciation that he does on the air. I suppose someone taught him that in a communications class or something, but in the post-Dahl climate of radio au naturel he just comes off as a pretentious douchebag.

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Bernstein has seen great success making fun of stupid callers and make no mistake, Bernstein is right with most of the callers he trashes.

However, he also became bored and complacent and wanted to be more important than a guy cashing big checks making fun of idiots so he got big into a few social causes. That has started to go away somewhat and I think it coincides with him being more and more involved with One Step.

I think this new show will probably be a good challenge for him. I also wonder if he will see the sincere admiration many had for Boers and wonder if he can one day have a similar impact. Probably not though.


Pretty well put. No give better thought to your QB opinions. :lol:

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he's too old to be worrying about national fame now. he should just sit back, be himself, have fun, and stop arguing with callers.

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he's too old to be worrying about national fame now. he should just sit back, be himself, have fun, and stop arguing with callers.


Arguing with callers is his raison d'etre.

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I don't think bernstein is a great guy because he stopped for some conversation with us, the listeners, at a remote. But I will say he was different in person. For one thing he didn't use the over-enunciation that he does on the air. I suppose someone taught him that in a communications class or something, but in the post-Dahl climate of radio au naturel he just comes off as a pretentious douchebag.

he's a radio guy...he sounds like a radio guy. He's part of the reason that when Shep or Joe O or Dustin takes the mic, that they sound like amateurs. He sounds polished. I don't have a problem with that. And he is a great guy off air. I've said that for years.

He is convinced at this stage in his career that arguing with callers means ratings, which is a shame. The show was far funnier when they played bad callers off the air with the twilight Zone theme or Sanford and Son. Which I'm pretty sure Jason was responsible for both. And for the heavy drops, which I miss.

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he's too old to be worrying about national fame now. he should just sit back, be himself, have fun, and stop arguing with callers.


Arguing with callers is his raison d'etre.


along with being the radio caretaker of all corporate brand identities.

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Arguing with callers is his raison d'etre.


yeah well it makes for shitty radio.

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Bernstein has seen great success making fun of stupid callers and make no mistake, Bernstein is right with most of the callers he trashes.


you mean the callers that get put through specifically for the purpose of being trashed ?
As compared to the callers that aren't put through?


yes, as compared to those who have a basic level of intelligence who aren't put through
it's a bit, they let they stupid people through so Bernstein can mock them and everyone has a big laugh
i didn't realize that was news


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Bernstein has seen great success making fun of stupid callers and make no mistake, Bernstein is right with most of the callers he trashes.


you mean the callers that get put through specifically for the purpose of being trashed ?
As compared to the callers that aren't put through?


yes, as compared to those who have a basic level of intelligence who aren't put through
it's a bit, they let they stupid people through so Bernstein can mock them and everyone has a big laugh
i didn't realize that was news

I worked on the show for a day. They don't do that. They just get bad callers. Increasingly more of them were bits over the years. This is a bad narrative.

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:lol: Love CofF ...he worked on the show for a day and has it all figured out

He knows stuff. Listen to him. Important guy. I am surprised they did not have a segment with you yesterday so you could say goodbye

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: I am surprised they did not have a segment with you yesterday so you could say goodbye


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Bernstein has seen great success making fun of stupid callers and make no mistake, Bernstein is right with most of the callers he trashes.

However, he also became bored and complacent and wanted to be more important than a guy cashing big checks making fun of idiots so he got big into a few social causes. That has started to go away somewhat and I think it coincides with him being more and more involved with One Step.

I think this new show will probably be a good challenge for him. I also wonder if he will see the sincere admiration many had for Boers and wonder if he can one day have a similar impact. Probably not though.


Bernstein will be remembered as one of the two or three most influential personalities in the history of Chicago sports talk, but he will never be loved.


and he will despise that he shares that stage with North


And Chet.

He has to be behind Chet, North, and Mac at the least.

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My hope would be that in a month or so they figure out to put Jason back on the show, do a poor man's three man booth and let Rozner affix to Spiegs. I'd listen to that.

I'm okay with that.

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I missed the start of Spiegs and Goff today. Did they say anything about why they did not have Meatpants talk yesterday?

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Why? Because I'm pretty sure Bernstein and Greenberg were pretty tight at one time.


That just means Bernstein didn't treat him with the typical contemptuous disdain that he does everybody else. Nobody could be close to the weaselly little shit Bernstein.


How long have you listened to the Score? Bernstein began his career as a oratorical populist in keeping with Score tradition. He didn't significantly alter his on-air persona--and the trajectory of the station--until 2002 or so, when he and Boers began focusing on the culture of sports and sports fandom rather than sports per se. This shift in tone and substance also marked Bernstein's transition from an ideological liberal to a neoliberal who manifested his political metamorphosis by cultivating an aesthetic of humiliation--akin to that of early reality TV--on the radio.

All of this is another way of saying that Bernstein seems to have been a very different person in the first decade of his career than he is today.


I would think it's more likely he just wasn't comfortable asserting himself and his personality on day one. He's a Gen X-er, not a Millennial who has no problem coming in as an entry level employee and telling the CEO how to run the company in his first week on the job.


Maybe you're right. I don't have a personal connection to Bernstein, so I can only go by what I hear on the radio. The transformation of the Score--from its early identity as "the voice of the fan" to a propaganda tool for sports ownership and the mouthpiece for a corporate ethos more broadly--has always been more interesting to me than the behind the scenes personal stuff. And Bernstein has been the driving force behind that transformation, as exemplified by the metamorphosis of his own on-air persona. I have no idea if the shift in his radio identity corresponds to a radical change in his personality in his private life. But since Leash thinks Bernstein is a good guy in real life, I'm willing to bet my life's savings that Bernstein likely comes off as Satan's chief disciple to anyone who knows him off the air. Still, though, I have no way of gauging whether Bernstein has always been a horrible human being or not.


I consider it the neo Coppock era in reference to sports radio.

I wouldn't say we have come full circle to Chet type sports radio. I suppose if I were diagramming the history this would be more of the synthesis of the Chet thesis and the North antithesis.

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My hope would be that in a month or so they figure out to put Jason back on the show, do a poor man's three man booth and let Rozner affix to Spiegs. I'd listen to that.

I'm okay with that.


Bernsie in a three way booth would never work. He needs too much space.

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Bernstein has seen great success making fun of stupid callers and make no mistake, Bernstein is right with most of the callers he trashes.


you mean the callers that get put through specifically for the purpose of being trashed ?
As compared to the callers that aren't put through?


yes, as compared to those who have a basic level of intelligence who aren't put through
it's a bit, they let they stupid people through so Bernstein can mock them and everyone has a big laugh
i didn't realize that was news
I'm sure they get excited when an idiot calls but I don't think they are giving IQ tests to the callers as they have many callers who do make good points.

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:lol: Love CofF ...he worked on the show for a day and has it all figured out

He knows stuff. Listen to him. Important guy. I am surprised they did not have a segment with you yesterday so you could say goodbye


one more day than any of us though.

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My hope would be that in a month or so they figure out to put Jason back on the show, do a poor man's three man booth and let Rozner affix to Spiegs. I'd listen to that.

I'm okay with that.


I don't want to have to listen to Goff on my drive home from work...almost anyone other than Goff would be fine to me...


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Bernstein has seen great success making fun of stupid callers and make no mistake, Bernstein is right with most of the callers he trashes.

However, he also became bored and complacent and wanted to be more important than a guy cashing big checks making fun of idiots so he got big into a few social causes. That has started to go away somewhat and I think it coincides with him being more and more involved with One Step.

I think this new show will probably be a good challenge for him. I also wonder if he will see the sincere admiration many had for Boers and wonder if he can one day have a similar impact. Probably not though.


Bernstein will be remembered as one of the two or three most influential personalities in the history of Chicago sports talk, but he will never be loved.


and he will despise that he shares that stage with North


And Chet.

He has to be behind Chet, North, and Mac at the least.


Yes, I think Chet has to be there.

Thinking about it more, maybe Terry is not on the Mt. Rushmore.

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:lol: Love CofF ...he worked on the show for a day and has it all figured out

He knows stuff. Listen to him. Important guy. I am surprised they did not have a segment with you yesterday so you could say goodbye

you disagree with my point? I stated that as the only provable proof I had. I'm sorry you live in Mizou and didn't have your own opportunity. They were interning homeless people for a while there.

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good dolphin wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Bernstein has seen great success making fun of stupid callers and make no mistake, Bernstein is right with most of the callers he trashes.

However, he also became bored and complacent and wanted to be more important than a guy cashing big checks making fun of idiots so he got big into a few social causes. That has started to go away somewhat and I think it coincides with him being more and more involved with One Step.

I think this new show will probably be a good challenge for him. I also wonder if he will see the sincere admiration many had for Boers and wonder if he can one day have a similar impact. Probably not though.


Bernstein will be remembered as one of the two or three most influential personalities in the history of Chicago sports talk, but he will never be loved.


and he will despise that he shares that stage with North


And Chet.

He has to be behind Chet, North, and Mac at the least.


Yes, I think Chet has to be there.

Thinking about it more, maybe Terry is not on the Mt. Rushmore.


I think an argument can be made for Jauss and Gleason as well.

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My hope would be that in a month or so they figure out to put Jason back on the show, do a poor man's three man booth and let Rozner affix to Spiegs. I'd listen to that.

I'm okay with that.


Bernsie in a three way booth would never work. He needs too much space.

at its zenith with Jason, the show essentially was a three man booth. Periodically a four man booth.

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My hope would be that in a month or so they figure out to put Jason back on the show, do a poor man's three man booth and let Rozner affix to Spiegs. I'd listen to that.

I'm okay with that.


I don't want to have to listen to Goff on my drive home from work...almost anyone other than Goff would be fine to me...



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:lol: Love CofF ...he worked on the show for a day and has it all figured out

He knows stuff. Listen to him. Important guy. I am surprised they did not have a segment with you yesterday so you could say goodbye

I'll take his assessment of it over someone who has been there zero days.

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-To hear people repeatedly fawn over Terry for five hours was ridiculous. He had so little regard for listeners he decided years ago to let Bernstein dominate the show and agree with anything he said. We were left with a stuttering, irrelevant, housebound yes man who bragged about NOT watching sports. And his occasional insistence that he talked to "his guy."

- As someone who could care less about sports, I was an avid listener because it was the most entertaining thing on the air. There is no reason to listen anymore. RIP 670.


This sums it up for me. I attribute the fawning to general courtesy for a person who had a big hand in the station's success. And it was clear that success was in doubt in the early days.

In Terry's little exchange with Drinky, he all but admitted to not being good at making friends and not letting people into his life. I am having trouble reconciling that with the numerous descriptions of him as a mentor who was there whenever a co-worker was feeling down. Hell, how often was he even in the hallway given his ISDN line? Always hard to separate the truth from the courtesy flattery.

I still loved Terry for his DH columns, Chicago Sports Fire (that's what they called it, right?), and HFC. Even the early days of B&B were entertaining to me. But I have never been more disappointed in someone wasting his talent as the last decade was nothing short of packing it in.


Lately,I have found myself really agreeing with your thoughts. I could not have said it any better...BRAVO!

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