I would venture to say that "racism" can be applied to any race.

"Institutional racism" would seem to be reserved for whitey (and what LTG is talking about, i think).

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I would say that people of any race are capable of racism. It's just that in the U.S. black people lack a platform for racism.

Race is not a real thing anyway. It's just a construct designed to justify slavery. It would be no different than if we said blondes and brunettes were separate races and brunettes were the lesser to justify enslaving them.

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You are speaking in purely hypothetical terms while my thesis is based on current realities. If Blacks wished to Deny Trump the Presidency based solely on Race they couldn't. If Whites wanted to deny Obama the Presidency bases solely on race they could. In this instance it's based on math. The larger issue pertains to power and the ability to oppress. Blacks have never had that in America. No matter how much a black person or persons happens to hate whites they can't stop them from obtaining that which they seek to attain.

Both Historically and currently that is the case.

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Speaking in terms of 100% of any demographic of the eligible electorate turning out to vote on anything is about as hypothetical as it gets.

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There is going to come a time when whites are no longer the majority in America. That would mean they are unable to deny the Presidency to a black man. Could they still be racist?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You believe this is the goal of all white people? To deny black people things? They are all racist? Is what these 4 young people did understandable? Justifiable?

No I don't. Some yes but nothing is absolute and I don't want to quantify it either. I will say that this notion that blacks lack resources basically due to a failure to "work hard" needs to stop. Frankly it's insulting. There are a number of blacks that do attempt to work hard and do things " the right way" and they are still on the outside looking in. Not a complaint but an observation.

I've already answered the question regarding the 4 young people.

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That is why South Africa comparison was most appropriate.

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That will never happen but if 70% of the eligible black electorate comes out and say 30% of the white electorate comes out blacks still lose.

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People aren't inherently good or evil. IMO, there is no such thing as good or evil. There are things that we as a society find reprehensible (this being one of them) and therefore we don't allow it/deal out punishment for it. People evolved to stay alive and multiply. That's it. We just happen to be a species whose intelligence hit a tipping point and we became able to function cognitively at a much higher level. We use reason to try and understand what is best for the whole. We can feel empathy toward our fellow man (well, some can). At the end of the day, the human mind and every animal mind is incredibly complex and the compulsion to do or not do certain things have been baked by millions of years of evolution as well as environmental factors. We gain more understanding of these things every day, but there is a ton we don't know.

The point, anyway, is that these behaviors cannot be accepted because we as a civilized people have agreed that they can't. It is semantics to say whether it is good or evil or people are generally good or evil. It all depends on the person, the situation, the environment, and their genetics.

This makes me sick to my stomach, BTW. What I'm saying is in no way a defense of the behavior... I'm just saying there's no explanation for the behavior that we can boil down into simplistic reasons.

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I'll just assume you will never answer the question I asked.

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Your assumption would be correct.

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Just because minorities had a simple majority wouldn't mean that they had institutional power. Whites would still have the money, the resources, and the power to do what they wanted.

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I agree with this.

The criteria ltg chose does not unless of course we change the voting rules but you know, that would be a hypothetical!

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At least ltg admits he won't answer it.

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That was refreshing. Seacrest could learn a few things from him.

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I already did and South Africa is the perfect example. In the Brick scenario not only would Racism still exist it would probably be more prevalent as a result.

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So only white people can be racist in America because they are the majority, but when they are no longer the majority, they will actually be MORE racist?

We can't catch a break.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The mental gymnastics and goalpost shifting required to continue to define "racism" so that black people in America can't actually be racist are the ultimate embodiment of white guilt.

Great example of moving the goal posts and what makes whites the majority isn't confined merely to population. Leash just explained it to you which you chose to ignore obviously. I shall follow suit in this regard.

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Not to defend LTG but he clearly didn't say any of these things. You may disagree with his definition of racism is and that's fine but this post is complete bullshit.

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In what instance has black racism ever been manifested?

I'm speaking purely on a macro level.

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They believed they were superior to this guy racially, no?

I think there are a lot of people on the outside looking in. Some lack talent and intelligence, some lack opportunity and connectivity, some lack the ability to make sacrifices and good decisions. The race and economic status matter less and less and it's not anybody or any group's fault per se but it's everybody's fault.

[flash=][/flash]I'm not moving any goalposts.

Your example was that white people can deny any black person the chance to be President if they all voted against them. That was your example. You are the one that chose to make it about population. Citing South Africa does not help your position at all. I believe minority populations can be racist. You seem to be saying that they cannot but then also saying they can be.

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I can't figure out what he's saying. To me it comes off as white people are awful, hold all the power, and deny or allow black people to have things.

In what way has black racism been manifested? I'm speaking again on a macro level.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

That is how it may come off to you but that is not what I am saying because I don't believe that. I think racism is awful. I think discrimination is awful. I think those that ignore racism or find false equivalencies are a little misguided.

If someone says that blacks cam be racist then I'm asking how? We do not control any institution in this country. Where exactly with the power to oppress be originated given this reality?

When blacks speak of the "man" who exactly do you think they are referencing?

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So now "racism" is defined purely on a macro-scale?

Just how overuse and widespread application of a term can reduce its meaning, so too can incredibly narrow and stringent definitions make a term meaningless.

Why don't you want to define "racism" as "but for someone's race..."? What is the goal of your narrowly tailored definition?

Okay. He's definitely not saying that. LTG hates MANY of the blacks that racists do. He's probably in his mid 40's to early 50's but if I didn't know better I would say that he's a 70-year-old black man who would be fine with a certain group of blacks being wiped off the face of the earth.

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