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I already did and South Africa is the perfect example. In the Brick scenario not only would Racism still exist it would probably be more prevalent as a result.
So only white people can be racist in America because they are the majority, but when they are no longer the majority, they will actually be MORE racist?

We can't catch a break.


The mental gymnastics and goalpost shifting required to continue to define "racism" so that black people in America can't actually be racist are the ultimate embodiment of white guilt.


In what instance has black racism ever been manifested?

I'm speaking purely on a macro level.


So now "racism" is defined purely on a macro-scale?

Just how overuse and widespread application of a term can reduce its meaning, so too can incredibly narrow and stringent definitions make a term meaningless.

Why don't you want to define "racism" as "but for someone's race..."? What is the goal of your narrowly tailored definition?


Can you answer the question of how the collective of blacks can be racist and how exactly is it exacted?

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I already did and South Africa is the perfect example. In the Brick scenario not only would Racism still exist it would probably be more prevalent as a result.
So only white people can be racist in America because they are the majority, but when they are no longer the majority, they will actually be MORE racist?

We can't catch a break.


Great example of moving the goal posts and what makes whites the majority isn't confined merely to population. Leash just explained it to you which you chose to ignore obviously. I shall follow suit in this regard.
I'm not moving any goalposts.

Your example was that white people can deny any black person the chance to be President if they all voted against them. That was your example. You are the one that chose to make it about population. Citing South Africa does not help your position at all. I believe minority populations can be racist. You seem to be saying that they cannot but then also saying they can be.


In what way has black racism been manifested? I'm speaking again on a macro level.

It seems like you are trying to change it to institutional racism now. Institutional racism would obviously mostly benefit the majority. It's not all encompassing of all racism though.

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That is how it may come off to you but that is not what I am saying because I don't believe that. I think racism is awful. I think discrimination is awful. I think those that ignore racism or find false equivalencies are a little misguided.

If someone says that blacks cam be racist then I'm asking how? We do not control any institution in this country. Where exactly with the power to oppress be originated given this reality?

When blacks speak of the "man" who exactly do you think they are referencing?


I was taught racism is that the belief that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others. It's judging and/or somehow harming somebody based on skin color. I think 4 black people beating up a white guys yelling "fuck white people" qualifies as racism. I think that you want to define it or refuse to define it in a way that does not recognize a hurtful act toward somebody based on race is absurd.

You really believe that most white people have the power to be the man? I sure as shit don't.
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Okay. He's definitely not saying that. LTG hates MANY of the blacks that racists do. He's probably in his mid 40's to early 50's but if I didn't know better I would say that he's a 70-year-old black man who would be fine with a certain group of blacks being wiped off the face of the earth.


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Not to defend LTG but he clearly didn't say any of these things. You may disagree with his definition of racism is and that's fine but this post is complete bullshit.


I can't figure out what he's saying. To me it comes off as white people are awful, hold all the power, and deny or allow black people to have things.


Okay. He's definitely not saying that. LTG hates MANY of the blacks that racists do. He's probably in his mid 40's to early 50's but if I didn't know better I would say that he's a 70-year-old black man who would be fine with a certain group of blacks being wiped off the face of the earth.


Not exactly. I have no problems calling blacks out on our bullshit too. I don't absolve blacks when they are on bullshit. I was raised with too many that fit the description. In a number of instances we've created excuses where they don't exist. Conversely some grievances are legit.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I already did and South Africa is the perfect example. In the Brick scenario not only would Racism still exist it would probably be more prevalent as a result.
So only white people can be racist in America because they are the majority, but when they are no longer the majority, they will actually be MORE racist?

We can't catch a break.


Great example of moving the goal posts and what makes whites the majority isn't confined merely to population. Leash just explained it to you which you chose to ignore obviously. I shall follow suit in this regard.
I'm not moving any goalposts.

Your example was that white people can deny any black person the chance to be President if they all voted against them. That was your example. You are the one that chose to make it about population. Citing South Africa does not help your position at all. I believe minority populations can be racist. You seem to be saying that they cannot but then also saying they can be.


In what way has black racism been manifested? I'm speaking again on a macro level.

It seems like you are trying to change it to institutional racism now. Institutional racism would obviously mostly benefit the majority. It's not all encompassing of all racism though.


Oh yes it is and I noticed that you didn't answer the question.

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Not exactly. I have no problems calling blacks out on our bullshit too. I don't absolve blacks when they are on bullshit. I was raised with too many that fit the description. In a number of instances we've created excuses where they don't exist. Conversely some grievances are legit.


When you refuse to say this instance was a racist hate filled action, to somebody like me, you are absolving those 4 teens, are not calling them out, and creating an excuse.

If 4 white people kidnapped and beat up a black kid that is...what?


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Can you answer the question of how the collective of blacks can be racist and how exactly is it exacted?


Why do you not want to answer my question about so desperately wishing to define racism in a way that precludes black people from being racist, only wanting to talk about macro-scale racism?


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Not exactly. I have no problems calling blacks out on our bullshit too. I don't absolve blacks when they are on bullshit. I was raised with too many that fit the description. In a number of instances we've created excuses where they don't exist. Conversely some grievances are legit.


When you refuse to say this instance was a racist hate filled action, to somebody like me, you are absolving those 4 teens, are not calling them out, and creating an excuse.

If 4 white people kidnapped and beat up a black kid that is...what?


Why does he have to use the words you want him to use? He's explicitly said the actions of the 4 were wrong and hateful but because he doesn't use words that would make you feel warm inside you accuse him of absolving the 4 teens and other crap. That's complete bullshit. I'm sure you would be pissed if I or another black person here called you racist because you didn't feel exactly the way we did or use the exact words we are using about an incident.

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Oh yes it is and I noticed that you didn't answer the question.
Institutional racism is not the only type of racism.

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Defining the term "racism" to only include macro-level race-based discrimination seems needlessly arbitrary to me. The only goal I can see is that such a definition conveniently precludes one race from the dreaded "racist" moniker, and instantly anoints said race the winner of the Oppression Olympics. What else could be the goal, here?


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Spaulding wrote:
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Not exactly. I have no problems calling blacks out on our bullshit too. I don't absolve blacks when they are on bullshit. I was raised with too many that fit the description. In a number of instances we've created excuses where they don't exist. Conversely some grievances are legit.


When you refuse to say this instance was a racist hate filled action, to somebody like me, you are absolving those 4 teens, are not calling them out, and creating an excuse.

If 4 white people kidnapped and beat up a black kid that is...what?


I already stated that this was a racially motivated event a few pages up and I also stated that they should be punished severely so I don't know what you are talking about.

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Defining the term "racism" to only include macro-level race-based discrimination seems needlessly arbitrary to me. The only goal I can see is that such a definition conveniently precludes one race from the dreaded "racist" moniker, and instantly anoints said race the winner of the Oppression Olympics. What else could be the goal, here?


The reason that you won't answer it is because you can't. It is easy to cherry pick instances of discrimination and attach it to racism. For black people in this country racism encompasses much more than that however.

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Oh yes it is and I noticed that you didn't answer the question.
Institutional racism is not the only type of racism.

It is, however, the most fun type.

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Why does he have to use the words you want him to use? He's explicitly said the actions of the 4 were wrong and hateful but because he doesn't use words that would make you feel warm inside you accuse him of absolving the 4 teens and other crap. That's complete bullshit. I'm sure you would be pissed if I or another black person here called you racist because you didn't feel exactly the way we did or use the exact words we are using about an incident.


Beacause it's appropriate and equitable. To me, what he is essentially saying is black people are superior and can't be racist. I think that's bullshit. Next time one of these stories pops up but it's the opposite it wouldn't be well received if anybody denied racism and just said no it was wrong and hateful but there is no racial problems in this country.


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Defining the term "racism" to only include macro-level race-based discrimination seems needlessly arbitrary to me. The only goal I can see is that such a definition conveniently precludes one race from the dreaded "racist" moniker, and instantly anoints said race the winner of the Oppression Olympics. What else could be the goal, here?


The reason that you won't answer it is because you can't.


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Why [CLAP] do [CLAP] you [CLAP] want [CLAP] to [CLAP] define [CLAP] racism [CLAP] so [CLAP] narrowly?

Also, are you an otherkin or is being a pedant your only shtick?


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Why does he have to use the words you want him to use? He's explicitly said the actions of the 4 were wrong and hateful but because he doesn't use words that would make you feel warm inside you accuse him of absolving the 4 teens and other crap. That's complete bullshit. I'm sure you would be pissed if I or another black person here called you racist because you didn't feel exactly the way we did or use the exact words we are using about an incident.


Beacause it's appropriate and equitable. To me, what he is essentially saying is black people are superior and can't be racist. I think that's bullshit. Next time one of these stories pops up but it's the opposite it wouldn't be well received if anybody denied racism and just said no it was wrong and hateful but there is no racial problems in this country.


He's not saying that and your thoughts are complete bullshit. Nothing that LTG has posted has in anyway said their actions were okay. His definition of racism doesn't change that. JORR has a similar definition of racism and I haven't seen you attack him yet. Get the fuck out of here with bullshit accusations like this. I'm confident that you rightly wouldn't appreciate being called a racist or a racist sympathizer.

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I already stated that this was a racially motivated event a few pages up and I also stated that they should be punished severely so I don't know what you are talking about.


So a person that commits a racially motivated violent attack could not be considered racist?


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Not exactly. I have no problems calling blacks out on our bullshit too. I don't absolve blacks when they are on bullshit. I was raised with too many that fit the description. In a number of instances we've created excuses where they don't exist. Conversely some grievances are legit.


When you refuse to say this instance was a racist hate filled action, to somebody like me, you are absolving those 4 teens, are not calling them out, and creating an excuse.

If 4 white people kidnapped and beat up a black kid that is...what?


I already stated that this was a racially motivated event a few pages up and I also stated that they should be punished severely so I don't know what you are talking about.


I don't know about severely. Hate to write off this many young people. It more seemed to be looking for attention rather than a desire to really hurt the guy. I hate that the right wing will latch onto this story as some shining example of black racism and really stir up the shit kickers. Nothing good to come of this at all, but I do not doubt that there will be more instances of live broadcasting crimes for a thrill in the near future.

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He's not saying that and your thoughts are complete bullshit. Nothing that LTG has posted has in anyway said their actions were okay. His definition of racism doesn't change that. JORR has a similar definition of racism and I haven't seen you attack him yet. Get the fuck out of here with bullshit accusations like this. I'm confident that you rightly wouldn't appreciate being called a racist or a racist sympathizer.


JORR is wrong too and if he were here I'd be arguing with him. I wouldn't appreciate being called a racist or a racist sympathizer mostly because I'm not.

I believe anybody could be a racist. It's not reserved for white people or white Americans.


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Why does he have to use the words you want him to use? He's explicitly said the actions of the 4 were wrong and hateful but because he doesn't use words that would make you feel warm inside you accuse him of absolving the 4 teens and other crap. That's complete bullshit. I'm sure you would be pissed if I or another black person here called you racist because you didn't feel exactly the way we did or use the exact words we are using about an incident.


Beacause it's appropriate and equitable. To me, what he is essentially saying is black people are superior and can't be racist. I think that's bullshit. Next time one of these stories pops up but it's the opposite it wouldn't be well received if anybody denied racism and just said no it was wrong and hateful but there is no racial problems in this country.


He's not saying that and your thoughts are complete bullshit. Nothing that LTG has posted has in anyway said their actions were okay. His definition of racism doesn't change that. JORR has a similar definition of racism and I haven't seen you attack him yet. Get the fuck out of here with bullshit accusations like this. I'm confident that you rightly wouldn't appreciate being called a racist or a racist sympathizer.


Wait, if racism is only macro-level, how can a single person be racist?


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I don't know about severely. Hate to write off this many young people. It more seemed to be looking for attention rather than a desire to really hurt the guy. I hate that the right wing will latch onto this story as some shining example of black racism and really stir up the shit kickers. Nothing good to come of this at all, but I do not doubt that there will be more instances of live broadcasting crimes for a thrill in the near future.


All in all, they didn't really hurt him physically, but that's bad stuff.


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Jesus H Christ... are we really going round and round with semantic arguments here? No one here has absolved these 4 idiots. No one is giving them a pass. The constant need in this country to label things is fucking exhausting.

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Jesus H Christ... are we really going round and round with semantic arguments here? No one here has absolved these 4 idiots. No one is giving them a pass. The constant need in this country to label things is fucking exhausting.


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I'm more let down by our society than the video after reading 16,000 people watched this live stream happen, and 0 called the police.

16,000...

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Not exactly. I have no problems calling blacks out on our bullshit too. I don't absolve blacks when they are on bullshit. I was raised with too many that fit the description. In a number of instances we've created excuses where they don't exist. Conversely some grievances are legit.


When you refuse to say this instance was a racist hate filled action, to somebody like me, you are absolving those 4 teens, are not calling them out, and creating an excuse.

If 4 white people kidnapped and beat up a black kid that is...what?


I already stated that this was a racially motivated event a few pages up and I also stated that they should be punished severely so I don't know what you are talking about.


I don't know about severely. Hate to write off this many young people. It more seemed to be looking for attention rather than a desire to really hurt the guy. I hate that the right wing will latch onto this story as some shining example of black racism and really stir up the shit kickers. Nothing good to come of this at all, but I do not doubt that there will be more instances of live broadcasting crimes for a thrill in the near future.


It should be severe. They were cowards that kidnapped a disabled kid and beat and tortured him because he was white. There shouldn't be any slaps on the wrist. I consider it to be a racist attack but the targeting of one of our weakest members of society makes it much worse.

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He's not saying that and your thoughts are complete bullshit. Nothing that LTG has posted has in anyway said their actions were okay. His definition of racism doesn't change that. JORR has a similar definition of racism and I haven't seen you attack him yet. Get the fuck out of here with bullshit accusations like this. I'm confident that you rightly wouldn't appreciate being called a racist or a racist sympathizer.


JORR is wrong too and if he were here I'd be arguing with him. I wouldn't appreciate being called a racist or a racist sympathizer mostly because I'm not.

I believe anybody could be a racist. It's not reserved for white people or white Americans.


I agree with you. The accusations you are making are unnecessary and complete bullshit because LTG defines a word diferrently. There will be times others may view something as racist and you may just view it ignorant or hateful. That doesn't mean you're any of the things that you're accusing LTG of just because you don't agree.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Not exactly. I have no problems calling blacks out on our bullshit too. I don't absolve blacks when they are on bullshit. I was raised with too many that fit the description. In a number of instances we've created excuses where they don't exist. Conversely some grievances are legit.


When you refuse to say this instance was a racist hate filled action, to somebody like me, you are absolving those 4 teens, are not calling them out, and creating an excuse.

If 4 white people kidnapped and beat up a black kid that is...what?


I already stated that this was a racially motivated event a few pages up and I also stated that they should be punished severely so I don't know what you are talking about.


I don't know about severely. Hate to write off this many young people. It more seemed to be looking for attention rather than a desire to really hurt the guy. I hate that the right wing will latch onto this story as some shining example of black racism and really stir up the shit kickers. Nothing good to come of this at all, but I do not doubt that there will be more instances of live broadcasting crimes for a thrill in the near future.


I think the imprisonment will be the more serious charge.

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