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If this turns out to be a hoax, will the CNN and similar stories be labeled as "fake news"?


No. Andrea Mitchell says the reports have been out there for months and the FBI is aware. Apparently there are multiple sources that have verified that memos are accurate but that doesn't mean the opposition research is accurate.


Buzzfeed said several journalists and lawmakers had this for months.

CNN decided to release it the day before Trump has a press conference. Which will be the first press conference in which he will take questions since being elected.

So it was calculated by CNN.


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Poor President-elect Trump.

He's trying to refute this story by linking to a website that wrote Hillary Clinton murdered JFK Jr.


Did she?

We should check with JORR. Nobody else on the board is capable of looking past their biases to find the real truth.



Just today I've seen a phony Gizmodo story posted as fact even though the update basically retracted the entire body of the article. This is the way Trump is being covered in general.

This latest stuff may or may not be true but they're throwing it out there to give it credibility. It doesn't matter if it's true, it's out there and MANY will believe it, just like they believe his goofy hand gestures were specific to Kovaleski instead of something he does all the time.

And then when someone points it out, the answer is, "It doesn't matter, Trump sucks."

Say what you want about Wikileaks, they vet their stuff and they haven't dumped bad info yet.

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Nas wrote:
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If this turns out to be a hoax, will the CNN and similar stories be labeled as "fake news"?



The NYT has done this to Hillary a million times and then add an editors note months after they published a story saying that they got it wrong.



Could you provide just a couple examples? Since there are a million it shouldn't be hard. And anyway, even if true that's no endosement for the credibility of the media.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Poor President-elect Trump.

He's trying to refute this story by linking to a website that wrote Hillary Clinton murdered JFK Jr.


Did she?

We should check with JORR. Nobody else on the board is capable of looking past their biases to find the real truth.



Just today I've seen a phony Gizmodo story posted as fact even though the update basically retracted the entire body of the article. This is the way Trump is being covered in general.

This latest stuff may or may not be true but they're throwing it out there to give it credibility. It doesn't matter if it's true, it's out there and MANY will believe it, just like they believe his goofy hand gestures were specific to Kovaleski instead of something he does all the time.

And then when someone points it out, the answer is, "It doesn't matter, Trump sucks."

Say what you want about Wikileaks, they vet their stuff and they haven't dumped bad info yet.

In the interest of fairness, the response to you defending him mocking the disabled guy wasn't "it doesn't matter, Trump sucks." It was "It doesn't matter, that sort of thing is unacceptable regardless."

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Nas wrote:
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If this turns out to be a hoax, will the CNN and similar stories be labeled as "fake news"?


No. Andrea Mitchell says the reports have been out there for months and the FBI is aware. Apparently there are multiple sources that have verified that memos are accurate but that doesn't mean the opposition research is accurate.


:lol: Huh? You have a lot of strange justifications for the dissemination of fake news.

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FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Poor President-elect Trump.

He's trying to refute this story by linking to a website that wrote Hillary Clinton murdered JFK Jr.


Did she?

We should check with JORR. Nobody else on the board is capable of looking past their biases to find the real truth.



Just today I've seen a phony Gizmodo story posted as fact even though the update basically retracted the entire body of the article. This is the way Trump is being covered in general.

This latest stuff may or may not be true but they're throwing it out there to give it credibility. It doesn't matter if it's true, it's out there and MANY will believe it, just like they believe his goofy hand gestures were specific to Kovaleski instead of something he does all the time.

And then when someone points it out, the answer is, "It doesn't matter, Trump sucks."

Say what you want about Wikileaks, they vet their stuff and they haven't dumped bad info yet.

In the interest of fairness, the response to you defending him mocking the disabled guy wasn't "it doesn't matter, Trump sucks." It was "It doesn't matter, that sort of thing is unacceptable regardless."


I don't believe most people find it "unacceptable" to ridicule a person who is lying about you. That's as opposed to making fun of a person's disability. Big difference. But MANY people believe Palin saw Russia from her house. People believe what they want and cry when fake Hillarys sing "Hallelujah".

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
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If this turns out to be a hoax, will the CNN and similar stories be labeled as "fake news"?


No. Andrea Mitchell says the reports have been out there for months and the FBI is aware. Apparently there are multiple sources that have verified that memos are accurate but that doesn't mean the opposition research is accurate.


:lol: Huh? You have a lot of strange justifications for the dissemination of fake news.


Something that ends up being false doesn't mean that it's fake news. When they report of multiple shooters and it ends up being 1 that isn't fake news. Everything that isn't 100% accurate isn't fake. Besides they aren't reporting that the accusations are true.

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You've argued with enough people on here about it. I don't feel like rehashing it again but you're simply wrong on this and there's video proof of it.

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You've argued with enough people on here about it. I don't feel like rehashing it again but you're simply wrong on this and there's video proof of it.


You're right. There is video proof. You just choose to ignore it for some reason.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
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If this turns out to be a hoax, will the CNN and similar stories be labeled as "fake news"?



The NYT has done this to Hillary a million times and then add an editors note months after they published a story saying that they got it wrong.



Could you provide just a couple examples? Since there are a million it shouldn't be hard. And anyway, even if true that's no endosement for the credibility of the media.


This wasn't fake news.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/public ... /?referer=

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You've argued with enough people on here about it. I don't feel like rehashing it again but you're simply wrong on this and there's video proof of it.


You're right. There is video proof. You just choose to ignore it for some reason.

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There's a reason you're on an island here, bud.

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Well guys seems like the media finally got him. No way he wins the election now #ImWithHer


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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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If this turns out to be a hoax, will the CNN and similar stories be labeled as "fake news"?



The NYT has done this to Hillary a million times and then add an editors note months after they published a story saying that they got it wrong.



Could you provide just a couple examples? Since there are a million it shouldn't be hard. And anyway, even if true that's no endosement for the credibility of the media.


This wasn't fake news.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/public ... /?referer=


Here's the thing, though: the doctor in the "Hillary's brain surgeon was killed!" story actually died, he was an actual person practicing medicine (he just killed himself because he was likely to be indicted in an insurance kickback scheme, but that wasn't found out until later). So, what separates and distinguishes what was done to the facts in that story that make it "fake news" as opposed to "a story fraught with inaccuracies"?


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You've argued with enough people on here about it. I don't feel like rehashing it again but you're simply wrong on this and there's video proof of it.


You're right. There is video proof. You just choose to ignore it for some reason.

:lol:

There's a reason you're on an island here, bud.



Yeah, because I'm not biased.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sions.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20KAquo3BxQ

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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If this turns out to be a hoax, will the CNN and similar stories be labeled as "fake news"?



The NYT has done this to Hillary a million times and then add an editors note months after they published a story saying that they got it wrong.



Could you provide just a couple examples? Since there are a million it shouldn't be hard. And anyway, even if true that's no endosement for the credibility of the media.


This wasn't fake news.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/public ... /?referer=


Here's the thing, though: the doctor in the "Hillary's brain surgeon was killed!" story actually died, he was an actual person practicing medicine (he just killed himself because he was likely to be indicted in an insurance kickback scheme, but that wasn't found out until later). So, what separates and distinguishes what was done to the facts in that story that make it "fake news" as opposed to "a story fraught with inaccuracies"?


Hillary Clinton murdered him. Hillary Clinton murdered a federal agent. Those things are far different from getting facts wrong because of a source.

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Why would Trump post the buzzfeed story with the documents on his twitter? That's weird. He just invited people to read it. He's got 19 million followers. Buzzfeed is thrilled. They're gonna break their record for page hits.


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Why would Trump post the buzzfeed story with the documents on his twitter? That's weird. He just invited people to read it. He's got 19 million followers. Buzzfeed is thrilled. They're gonna break their record for page hits.


Well of course. The next 4 years (if he makes it that long) are going to be boon times for SEO-whoring. It'll be worse than YouTube vloggers.


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I know he tagged it with #fakenews. Still, it's weird.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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You've argued with enough people on here about it. I don't feel like rehashing it again but you're simply wrong on this and there's video proof of it.


You're right. There is video proof. You just choose to ignore it for some reason.

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There's a reason you're on an island here, bud.



Yeah, because I'm not biased.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sions.html

Im not biased either. You seem to think that "acknowledging Trump is a terrible person" equates to showing bias. You also seem unable to acknowledge that the impression he does is inappropriate regardless of who he's mocking.

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Citing 'The Daily Mail' for any reason, other than to encourage others to point and laugh at the fogbreather version of the New York Post, isn't going to give a person any intellectual credibility for whatever point they're trying to make.

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FavreFan wrote:
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FavreFan wrote:
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You've argued with enough people on here about it. I don't feel like rehashing it again but you're simply wrong on this and there's video proof of it.


You're right. There is video proof. You just choose to ignore it for some reason.

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There's a reason you're on an island here, bud.



Yeah, because I'm not biased.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sions.html

Im not biased either. You seem to think that "acknowledging Trump is a terrible person" equates to showing bias. You also seem unable to acknowledge that the impression he does is inappropriate regardless of who he's mocking.


I don't care if you think he's a terrible person or if any impression is inappropriate, but you're continuing to promote the lie that he made fun of a guy's disability. That suggests a bias. Otherwise, why do it?

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At first I was hoping this was something that might bring him down, but nothing there, yet. ..

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Citing 'The Daily Mail' for any reason, other than to encourage others to point and laugh at the fogbreather version of the New York Post, isn't going to give a person any intellectual credibility for whatever point they're trying to make.

As long as you apply this same standard to the New York Times...


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Citing 'The Daily Mail' for any reason, other than to encourage others to point and laugh at the fogbreather version of the New York Post, isn't going to give a person any intellectual credibility for whatever point they're trying to make.



I'm not citing The Daily Mail. The Daily Mail simply aggregated the videos.

Here, I'll "cite" Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20KAquo3BxQ

Are you trying to get the right answer or just bash Trump (and me)? Because the latter is the definition of "bias".

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JORR arrogantly claims he's the only person who has the ability to be objective but he's done just about nothing but defend Trump for a year. Very impressive.

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I read somewhere that Trump owes 500 billion to a big Russian company. That's how Putin got his hooks on Trump 5 years ago.


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JORR arrogantly claims he's the only person who has the ability to be objective but he's done just about nothing but defend Trump for a year. Very impressive.

The media arrogantly claims they are the only people who have the ability to be objective but they've done just about nothing but attack Trump for a year. Very impressive.


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JORR arrogantly claims he's the only person who has the ability to be objective but he's done just about nothing but defend Trump for a year. Very impressive.

The media arrogantly claims they are the only people who have the ability to be objective but they've done just about nothing but attack Trump for a year. Very impressive.


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JORR arrogantly claims he's the only person who has the ability to be objective but he's done just about nothing but defend Trump for a year. Very impressive.

The media arrogantly claims they are the only people who have the ability to be objective but they've done just about nothing but attack Trump for a year. Very impressive.


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Here it is:

1) Trump owes Blackstone/ Bayrock group $560 million dollars (one of his largest debtors and the primary reason he won't reveal his tax returns) 2) Blackstone is owned wholly by Russian billionaires, who owe their position to Putin and have made billions from their work with the Russian government. 3) Other companies that have borrowed from Blackstone have claimed that owing money to them is like owing to the Russian mob and while you owe them, they own you for many favors. 4) The Russian economy is badly faltering under the weight of its over-dependence


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