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sickening people hate Trump more than they love their country (and perhaps their freedom and even existence). absolutely sickening.




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Donald Trump is mentally unstable, amoral, unqualified, and an embarrassment to the values of the U.S.A.


But he was elected president.


Don't see the connection here - I was just pointing out what I think is hatchet's inconsistency.

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Is there an attempt by some to delegitimize the incoming president? Sure. Some supporters of the losing candidate will do that after every election. Usually the candidates don't do it. Hillary hasn't tweeted that she got 3 million more votes so she should be president. You can bet your life that Trump would have done that.

Questions about Trump's relationship with Russia can also delegitimize his presidency but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be asked because MANY are legitimate. Here is a guy who has criticized nearly every part of our government and attacks individuals and companies who don't kiss his ass almost daily. However when it comes to Putin and Russia he has nothing but kind words to say. Despite all the facts that proved Russia hacked the DNC and other places he refused to acknowledge it. It's not unreasonable for anyone to be suspicious of his relationship with Russia or Putin or wonder if our normally tough guy president has been compromised.



How quickly we FORGET that the current POTUS put the IRS on his opponents.


Yes let's make shit up and focus on everything and everyone else except Trump.


I think your focus is on Trump is just fine.

I think you and John Kirkwood complaining about a guy who hasn't spent one day in office yet is just fine too.

Trying to re-write history usually comes at least fifty years after a President leaves office.

When you two have a moment, please regale all of us with those stories of how W tried to undermine the Office on his way out.


I think your inability to focus on anything other than attacking Obama or Democrats makes it virtually impossible to have an honest discussion with you. Now according to you no one is allowed to criticize anything the incoming president says or does until he's president. I really wish you were that gracious in 2008 and I will sit back and wait for your first criticism of President Trump after January 20th.

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When will it ever be about Trump? The guy compared our intelligence community to Nazi's and shits on our system every chance he gets but JORR comes here daily to defend him and tell us we should be focusing on something else. At what point should we focus on what Trump says or does?

Never. We must look at what's in his heart.


Exactly. He doesn't mean the things he says.

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When will it ever be about Trump? The guy compared our intelligence community to Nazi's and shits on our system every chance he gets but JORR comes here daily to defend him and tell us we should be focusing on something else. At what point should we focus on what Trump says or does?

Never. We must look at what's in his heart.


Exactly. He doesn't mean the things he says.


Or doesn't intend harm toward the things he grabs.

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I think your inability to focus on anything other than attacking Obama or Democrats makes it virtually impossible to have an honest discussion with you. Now according to you no one is allowed to criticize anything the incoming president says or does until he's president. I really wish you were that gracious in 2008 and I will sit back and wait for your first criticism of President Trump after January 20th.

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When will it ever be about Trump? The guy compared our intelligence community to Nazi's and shits on our system every chance he gets but JORR comes here daily to defend him and tell us we should be focusing on something else. At what point should we focus on what Trump says or does?

Never. We must look at what's in his heart.


Exactly. He doesn't mean the things he says.


Or doesn't intend harm toward the things he grabs.


In his heart our intelligence community aren't Nazi's and he loves a free press.

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sickening people hate Trump more than they love their country (and perhaps their freedom and even existence). absolutely sickening.




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Donald Trump is mentally unstable, amoral, unqualified, and an embarrassment to the values of the U.S.A.


But he was elected president.


Don't see the connection here - I was just pointing out what I think is hatchet's inconsistency.



I don't believe it's inconsistent at all. One can have nothing but contempt for Trump and simultaneously be appalled at attempts to nullify the results of a fair election.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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sickening people hate Trump more than they love their country (and perhaps their freedom and even existence). absolutely sickening.




Hatchetman wrote:
Donald Trump is mentally unstable, amoral, unqualified, and an embarrassment to the values of the U.S.A.


But he was elected president.


Don't see the connection here - I was just pointing out what I think is hatchet's inconsistency.



I don't believe it's inconsistent at all. One can have nothing but contempt for Trump and simultaneously be appalled at attempts to nullify the results of a fair election.


To the extent that attempts to "nullify" (I don't think anyone is there yet) the results are politically motivated and dishonest, then I'd wholeheartedly agree that everyone should be appalled. What you have going on though is intelligence agencies and elected representatives from both parties analyzing information they've received/uncovered about the President-elect. That is factual - everything around it is just noise. I think partisans fail to realize that both democrats and a large number of republicans detest Trump, so it's not a right vs left issue. I don't see why people have a problem with agencies charged with defending US interests at home and abroad just doing their job. As a matter of fact, Trump is part of the problem because he's refused to be completely transparent with his financials.

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I think your inability to focus on anything other than attacking Obama or Democrats makes it virtually impossible to have an honest discussion with you. Now according to you no one is allowed to criticize anything the incoming president says or does until he's president. I really wish you were that gracious in 2008 and I will sit back and wait for your first criticism of President Trump after January 20th.


I was gracious in 2008. Trump is getting the same benefit of the doubt that I gave the POTUS.

Not that we are clear on that, please provide the ways that W tried to undermine the current President.

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I think your inability to focus on anything other than attacking Obama or Democrats makes it virtually impossible to have an honest discussion with you. Now according to you no one is allowed to criticize anything the incoming president says or does until he's president. I really wish you were that gracious in 2008 and I will sit back and wait for your first criticism of President Trump after January 20th.


I was gracious in 2008. Trump is getting the same benefit of the doubt that I gave the POTUS.

Not that we are clear on that, please provide the ways that W tried to undermine the current President.

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I think your inability to focus on anything other than attacking Obama or Democrats makes it virtually impossible to have an honest discussion with you. Now according to you no one is allowed to criticize anything the incoming president says or does until he's president. I really wish you were that gracious in 2008 and I will sit back and wait for your first criticism of President Trump after January 20th.


I was gracious in 2008. Trump is getting the same benefit of the doubt that I gave the POTUS.

Not that we are clear on that, please provide the ways that W tried to undermine the current President.


You were never gracious. W was fine and so is Obama. Even Trump says Obama has been fine. Let's not rewrite history and let's try to focus on the words and actions of our incoming president. That appears to be impossible for MANY.

"What about Hillary?"
"Well Obama did this thing that doesn't compare, but I have to throw it out there."
"The intelligence community is awful."
"He's not president."
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I think your inability to focus on anything other than attacking Obama or Democrats makes it virtually impossible to have an honest discussion with you. Now according to you no one is allowed to criticize anything the incoming president says or does until he's president. I really wish you were that gracious in 2008 and I will sit back and wait for your first criticism of President Trump after January 20th.


I was gracious in 2008. Trump is getting the same benefit of the doubt that I gave the POTUS.

Not that we are clear on that, please provide the ways that W tried to undermine the current President.


You were never gracious. W was fine and so is Obama. Let's not rewrite history and let's try to focus on the words and actions of our incoming president. That appears to be impossible for MANY.

"What about Hillary?"
"Well Obama did this thing that doesn't compare, but I have to throw it out there."
"The intelligence community is awful."
"He's not president."
"The media is unfair to Trump."
"Stop focusing on his words and focus on what's in his heart."



I was gracious. Even after you inferred before the election that I was a racist because I didn't support Obama.

I never once said that Obama was not our President. Like I said, he got the same benefit of the doubt from me that Trump is currently getting.

The intelligence community is full of career dolts. Especially the CIA. The day to day was once under the purview of a Chicagoan who challenged the status quo and was slandered out of the job. It's what they do to those who challenge them.

Jim Acosta would have never spoken to Obama the way he spoke to Trump the other day. Is that fair, or unfair? Don't really care, but i stand by the comment that he would never have done that to the current POTUS.

I'll say this again, you can focus on whatever you like. It's one sided however.

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this shit is so tiring.


Shame is the currency of many here.

When without, yell, slander and shout.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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sickening people hate Trump more than they love their country (and perhaps their freedom and even existence). absolutely sickening.




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Donald Trump is mentally unstable, amoral, unqualified, and an embarrassment to the values of the U.S.A.


But he was elected president.


Don't see the connection here - I was just pointing out what I think is hatchet's inconsistency.



I don't believe it's inconsistent at all. One can have nothing but contempt for Trump and simultaneously be appalled at attempts to nullify the results of a fair election.


To the extent that attempts to "nullify" (I don't think anyone is there yet) the results are politically motivated and dishonest, then I'd wholeheartedly agree that everyone should be appalled. What you have going on though is intelligence agencies and elected representatives from both parties analyzing information they've received/uncovered about the President-elect. That is factual - everything around it is just noise. I think partisans fail to realize that both democrats and a large number of republicans detest Trump, so it's not a right vs left issue. I don't see why people have a problem with agencies charged with defending US interests at home and abroad just doing their job. As a matter of fact, Trump is part of the problem because he's refused to be completely transparent with his financials.


I think a reasonable person who isn't a wacko Info Wars watching conspiracy theory nut can certainly have doubts about whether this stuff is Russian propaganda, U.S. intelligence propaganda, the truth, or some combination thereof.

I do think that someone who wanted to give this stuff credibility knew exactly how to do it. There are 100 senators and probably 95 of them would have had that "dossier" come across their desks and simply said, "Oh this bullshit. Yeah, Trump likes getting pissed on. Welcome to the Oval Office. :lol: " and threw the thing in a desk drawer to giggle about later or into his wastebasket. But it just happened- not coincidentally, I believe- to land on the desk of John McCain, the one guy who was going to storm over to the FBI waving the document around like a lunatic.

I just don't believe James Clapper, a noted liar and a man who lied again just the other day when asked about Julian Assange by- guess who?- John McCain.

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I think your inability to focus on anything other than attacking Obama or Democrats makes it virtually impossible to have an honest discussion with you. Now according to you no one is allowed to criticize anything the incoming president says or does until he's president. I really wish you were that gracious in 2008 and I will sit back and wait for your first criticism of President Trump after January 20th.


I was gracious in 2008. Trump is getting the same benefit of the doubt that I gave the POTUS.

Not that we are clear on that, please provide the ways that W tried to undermine the current President.


You were never gracious. W was fine and so is Obama. Let's not rewrite history and let's try to focus on the words and actions of our incoming president. That appears to be impossible for MANY.

"What about Hillary?"
"Well Obama did this thing that doesn't compare, but I have to throw it out there."
"The intelligence community is awful."
"He's not president."
"The media is unfair to Trump."
"Stop focusing on his words and focus on what's in his heart."



Even after you inferred before the election that I was a racist because I didn't support Obama.




This is a really bullshit thing to post. I don't casually throw around the word racist and I definitely wouldn't call you or anyone else racist just because they didn't/don't support Obama. If I believed anyone was racist I would come out and say it. I really don't appreciate what you just did.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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I think your inability to focus on anything other than attacking Obama or Democrats makes it virtually impossible to have an honest discussion with you. Now according to you no one is allowed to criticize anything the incoming president says or does until he's president. I really wish you were that gracious in 2008 and I will sit back and wait for your first criticism of President Trump after January 20th.


I was gracious in 2008. Trump is getting the same benefit of the doubt that I gave the POTUS.

Not that we are clear on that, please provide the ways that W tried to undermine the current President.


You were never gracious. W was fine and so is Obama. Let's not rewrite history and let's try to focus on the words and actions of our incoming president. That appears to be impossible for MANY.

"What about Hillary?"
"Well Obama did this thing that doesn't compare, but I have to throw it out there."
"The intelligence community is awful."
"He's not president."
"The media is unfair to Trump."
"Stop focusing on his words and focus on what's in his heart."



Even after you inferred before the election that I was a racist because I didn't support Obama.




This is a really bullshit thing to post. I don't casually throw around the word racist and I definitely wouldn't call you or anyone else racist just because they didn't/don't support Obama. If I believed anyone was racist I would come out and say it. I really don't appreciate what you just did.

How dare you not accept his gracious insult.

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I think your inability to focus on anything other than attacking Obama or Democrats makes it virtually impossible to have an honest discussion with you. Now according to you no one is allowed to criticize anything the incoming president says or does until he's president. I really wish you were that gracious in 2008 and I will sit back and wait for your first criticism of President Trump after January 20th.


I was gracious in 2008. Trump is getting the same benefit of the doubt that I gave the POTUS.

Not that we are clear on that, please provide the ways that W tried to undermine the current President.


You were never gracious. W was fine and so is Obama. Let's not rewrite history and let's try to focus on the words and actions of our incoming president. That appears to be impossible for MANY.

"What about Hillary?"
"Well Obama did this thing that doesn't compare, but I have to throw it out there."
"The intelligence community is awful."
"He's not president."
"The media is unfair to Trump."
"Stop focusing on his words and focus on what's in his heart."



Even after you inferred before the election that I was a racist because I didn't support Obama.




This is a really bullshit thing to post. I don't casually throw around the word racist and I definitely wouldn't call you or anyone else racist just because they didn't/don't support Obama. If I believed anyone was racist I would come out and say it. I really don't appreciate what you just did.


It's not a bullshit thing to post. And I didn't appreciate it when it was done either.

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I think your inability to focus on anything other than attacking Obama or Democrats makes it virtually impossible to have an honest discussion with you. Now according to you no one is allowed to criticize anything the incoming president says or does until he's president. I really wish you were that gracious in 2008 and I will sit back and wait for your first criticism of President Trump after January 20th.


I was gracious in 2008. Trump is getting the same benefit of the doubt that I gave the POTUS.

Not that we are clear on that, please provide the ways that W tried to undermine the current President.


You were never gracious. W was fine and so is Obama. Even Trump says Obama has been fine. Let's not rewrite history and let's try to focus on the words and actions of our incoming president. That appears to be impossible for MANY.

"What about Hillary?"
"Well Obama did this thing that doesn't compare, but I have to throw it out there."
"The intelligence community is awful."
"He's not president."
"The media is unfair to Trump."
"Stop focusing on his words and focus on what's in his heart."



There are MANY posts missing from here. And you already know that.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:27 pm 
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sickening people hate Trump more than they love their country (and perhaps their freedom and even existence). absolutely sickening.




Hatchetman wrote:
Donald Trump is mentally unstable, amoral, unqualified, and an embarrassment to the values of the U.S.A.


But he was elected president.


Don't see the connection here - I was just pointing out what I think is hatchet's inconsistency.



I don't believe it's inconsistent at all. One can have nothing but contempt for Trump and simultaneously be appalled at attempts to nullify the results of a fair election.

What attempts have there been to nullify the results?


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sickening people hate Trump more than they love their country (and perhaps their freedom and even existence). absolutely sickening.




Hatchetman wrote:
Donald Trump is mentally unstable, amoral, unqualified, and an embarrassment to the values of the U.S.A.


But he was elected president.


Don't see the connection here - I was just pointing out what I think is hatchet's inconsistency.



I don't believe it's inconsistent at all. One can have nothing but contempt for Trump and simultaneously be appalled at attempts to nullify the results of a fair election.

What attempts have there been to nullify the results?


I would say it all began with the Electoral College nonsense. The Electoral College has been deciding elections forever. But suddenly there was a groundswell of sentiment about how "unfair" that is. Then there's the obsession with the "election being hacked". Forget about the fact that no election was hacked unless John Podesta suddenly changed his name to John Election. What do you think all the screeching about Russian hacking is about? What is the endgame? If it's about preventing something like that happening again, I would think the way to go about it would be very quietly. Why do you think there is the sudden interest in the DOJ investigating itself? :lol: What is the endgame? These are attempts at minimally weakening Trump as president and ideally destroying a Trump presidency completely.

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Plus the what 2 petitions on Change.org to do so?


I'd definitely take things on the internet with a grain of salt.

Weren't there calls and polls in Texas after 2012 for secession?

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I would say it all began with the Electoral College nonsense. The Electoral College has been deciding elections forever. But suddenly there was a groundswell of sentiment about how "unfair" that is. Then there's the obsession with the "election being hacked". Forget about the fact that no election was hacked unless John Podesta suddenly changed his name to John Election. What do you think all the screeching about Russian hacking is about? What is the endgame? If it's about preventing something like that happening again, I would think the way to go about it would be very quietly. Why do you think there is the sudden interest in the DOJ investigating itself? :lol: What is the endgame? These are attempts at minimally weakening Trump as president and ideally destroying a Trump presidency completely.


I don't think it matters whether those against Trump admit there is an attempt to "nullify" or simply discredit and embarrass him. One thing Trump has show is he does not care and is not able to be embarrassed. The hidden thing that is being accomplished though is simple. Whether it is the media, the pundits or just everyday dopes like members here all this does is galvanize the people that support and elected Trump.

It does not breed a coming together for the better of the USA. It breeds a wish for Trump supporters to shove everything he can right up their asses or throats. Additionally, I do not think Trump care about the party, reelection and some of his supporters may not either. This keeps up they will want revenge though for these perceived slights.

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Plus the what 2 petitions on Change.org to do so?


I'd definitely take things on the internet with a grain of salt.

Weren't there calls and polls in Texas after 2012 for secession?


Yes there was. Just as stupid.

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="Seacrest"Jim Acosta would have never spoken to Obama the way he spoke to Trump the other day. Is that fair, or unfair? Don't really care, but i stand by the comment that he would never have done that to the current POTUS.

Wow. What a doozy right here.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/j ... a-isis-g20

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-jim-aco ... g-in-cuba/

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I would say it all began with the Electoral College nonsense. The Electoral College has been deciding elections forever. But suddenly there was a groundswell of sentiment about how "unfair" that is. Then there's the obsession with the "election being hacked". Forget about the fact that no election was hacked unless John Podesta suddenly changed his name to John Election. What do you think all the screeching about Russian hacking is about? What is the endgame? If it's about preventing something like that happening again, I would think the way to go about it would be very quietly. Why do you think there is the sudden interest in the DOJ investigating itself? :lol: What is the endgame? These are attempts at minimally weakening Trump as president and ideally destroying a Trump presidency completely.


I don't think it matters whether those against Trump admit there is an attempt to "nullify" or simply discredit and embarrass him. One thing Trump has show is he does not care and is not able to be embarrassed. The hidden thing that is being accomplished though is simple. Whether it is the media, the pundits or just everyday dopes like members here all this does is galvanize the people that support and elected Trump.

It does not breed a coming together for the better of the USA. It breeds a wish for Trump supporters to shove everything he can right up their asses or throats. Additionally, I do not think Trump care about the party, reelection and some of his supporters may not either. This keeps up they will want revenge though for these perceived slights.



Isn't it disingenuous for people that defend Trump to completely ignore the fact that Trump attempted to discredit Obama's election with the whole birther nonsense? Trump doesn't have a moral high ground on any of this after the crap he has pulled. People are on here constantly complaining about actions taken against him while never once acknowledging his role in similar actions.

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The vetting of Presidential candidates and the cost of running a campaign has left us with so few to choose from. Trump was way ahead of the game and used free social media to get his voice heard. A lot of people listened and liked the cut of his jib. He certainly is not the "same old same old".

No matter who won this past election,they deserve a chance before we go ripping them apart. I pray every decision he makes is the right one for 'Merica!

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I would say it all began with the Electoral College nonsense. The Electoral College has been deciding elections forever. But suddenly there was a groundswell of sentiment about how "unfair" that is. Then there's the obsession with the "election being hacked". Forget about the fact that no election was hacked unless John Podesta suddenly changed his name to John Election. What do you think all the screeching about Russian hacking is about? What is the endgame? If it's about preventing something like that happening again, I would think the way to go about it would be very quietly. Why do you think there is the sudden interest in the DOJ investigating itself? :lol: What is the endgame? These are attempts at minimally weakening Trump as president and ideally destroying a Trump presidency completely.


I don't think it matters whether those against Trump admit there is an attempt to "nullify" or simply discredit and embarrass him. One thing Trump has show is he does not care and is not able to be embarrassed. The hidden thing that is being accomplished though is simple. Whether it is the media, the pundits or just everyday dopes like members here all this does is galvanize the people that support and elected Trump.

It does not breed a coming together for the better of the USA. It breeds a wish for Trump supporters to shove everything he can right up their asses or throats. Additionally, I do not think Trump care about the party, reelection and some of his supporters may not either. This keeps up they will want revenge though for these perceived slights.



Isn't it disingenuous for people that defend Trump to completely ignore the fact that Trump attempted to discredit Obama's election with the whole birther nonsense? Trump doesn't have a moral high ground on any of this after the crap he has pulled. People are on here constantly complaining about actions taken against him while never once acknowledging his role in similar actions.



People have acknowledged that fact.

And how do we get past "two wrongs a make a right?"

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