Shocking. Next thing you'll tell me is the sun rises in the east.

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GO BEARS!!!

I'm guessing the complaints against CPD plummeted in 2016.

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They took the year off. I didn't hear anyone say the murder numbers were being manipulated last year.

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GO BEARS!!!

https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/925846/download ... if you want the 164 page document for restroom reading.

Some lighter reading ... http://wgntv.com/2017/01/13/doj-issues-scathing-report-of-civil-rights-abuses-by-chicago-police-department/

DOJ issues scathing report of civil rights abuses by Chicago Police Department

CHICAGO — The Chicago Police Department has unconstitutionally engaged in a pattern of excessive and deadly force, US Attorney General Loretta Lynch said Friday, wrapping up a 13-month federal probe of a department that has been under heavy scrutiny over officer-involved shootings.

As a result of the probe, the city and the Justice Department, which began investigating the CPD in December 2015, have agreed to negotiate a reform plan that would be overseen by a federal judge, Lynch said in Chicago.

Chicago police officers’ use of excessive force, she said, stemmed in large part from what the Justice Department found were severely insufficient training and accountability procedures — including failing to train officers to de-escalate situations.

ATTORNEY GENERAL: Chicago police engaged in a "pattern or practice of use of excessive force." pic.twitter.com/ALysdjUmel
— Ben Bradley (@BenBradleyTV) January 13, 2017

“The resulting deficit in trust and accountability is not just bad for residents — it’s also bad for dedicated police officers trying to do their jobs safely and effectively,” Lynch said.

“With this announcement, we are laying the groundwork for the difficult but necessary work of building a stronger, safer and more united Chicago for all who call it home.”

Friday’s announcement comes more than two years after the fatal shooting by Chicago police of 17-year-old Laquan McDonald, a case that spurred protests and reforms and helped fuel a national conversation about police officers’ use of deadly force.

Shooting at fleeing suspects

In a 161-page report released Friday, the Justice Department said Chicago police officers:

• Shot at fleeing suspects who presented no immediate threat

• Shot at vehicles without justification

• Used less-lethal force, including Tasers, against people who posed no threat

• Used force to retaliate against and punish people

• Used excessive force against juveniles

DOJ finds cases in which Chicago police officers shoot at people who pose no immediate threat, resulting in "avoidable deaths." pic.twitter.com/JuI6fdGZgr
— Ben Bradley (@BenBradleyTV) January 13, 2017

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Not excusing anything above, but does anyone else feel... less than great about third parties determining whether or not a threat was posed in a situation they were nowhere near?

(Obvious exclusion is people running away)

McCarthy was on Roe yesterday. Gave an interesting stat. 29 officer involved shooting out of 4006 shootings city wide.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Sure it's less than ideal to have to bring in an outside third-party to investigate pretty much anything ... but the situation obviously warranted it, so 'ideal' is pretty much out the window.

I mean, people solve murders and thefts and causes of death that they weren't present for all the time ... examining witness and police statements, looking for patterns, and I'm sure more than a handful of current and past police officers were willing to share a tale or two on the QT, along with whatever else they do in investigations like this, are probably plenty enough to get a pretty good understanding of the day by day, if not perhaps the hour to hour, workings of the CPD.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Okay, I'll ask ... what makes it "interesting"?

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

They fudged them. Real number was over 790 killed.

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All this focus on the CPD and its failings when .they represent a minuscule part of the shit that is wrong in Chicago

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

As yes the old if we can't solve the big problems we should ignore the small ones gambit.

There already was one police super (that I know of) forced to resign aver this topic. Applying logical thought to this report shouldn't government officials be resigning? The mayor? In other areas we would not be too keen to give the bad performing people a chance to be in charge of reforming the problems they presided over.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Not saying that. I am saying that I think the focus and energy being spent on it is out of proportion to the problem. Where are the marches or press conferences from PUSH or Pfhleger over the kidnapping? With the cops that got gunned down here in Florida this week I have not seen Obama give a press conference on it? Not even that weasel Josh Ernest has said anything about it. They seem to busy giving each other medals and hosting parties as they leave.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I thought one cop was shot in that Orlando manhunt?

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By your logic why should Obama give press conference over a few cop shootings, that seems out of proportion to the problem. What's a few cops compared to all the people killed in Chicago on a weekend?

One shot one killed chasing the killer

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

He has given press conferences for one death in the past.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I agree, he should spend 16 hours a day giving press conferences about every bad thing that happens.

I've suspected this ever since I saw them using SWAT teams to catch Jake and Elwood Blues

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