Trump is a truly horrible person. Yet those who oppose him are willing to be equally horrible if not one-up him on the horribleness scale.

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We don't in this country.

We hang on to "well they did it first, so now we have to do the same thing".

It's a never-ending cycle of hypocrisy and the masses buy into it evey time.

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I don't actually recall that. I recall him being defended on the grounds that Hillary and her camp started it. Even if that were true which i doubt he was the undisputed leader of the movement. I never recall anyone calling him on it and I seem to remember someone celebrating the fact that no one cares about it. It seems that supporters and defenders want to ignore it because it is simply convenient to do so. He can't complain about this crap if he is also one of the biggest perpetrators of said crap.

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It's not that no one cares about it. It's that Hillary acted like she was above all of that. "When they go low..." Trump embraces going low. He's like Dre: "If you fuck with me, it's a must that I fuck with you."

And I do understand the sensitivity with the "birther" stuff when it comes to Obama, a black guy. It's like people were trying to reinforce his "otherness". But there was a McCain birther movement as well and he was born on a U.S. base, I think in Guam. In fact, I'm not really certain Ted Cruz is constitutionally eligible to be president himself.

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He obviously took part in it.

It was odd during the election cycle to see Hillary supporters try and use it to gain traction though. And I'm positive from JORR"s posts that he sees Trump as a loose cannon himself. He is certainly not ignoring anything Trump does.

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He was born in the Canal zone.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

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Well you're right about that. I mean, that "thinking" is something I kinda understand but only as a momentary reflexive thought, not something that's either acceptable nor helpful past the 2-3 second mark. That said, it's only some that wish to do that, not MANY or all, which one might infer (I believe incorrectly, I might add) from your second sentence.

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I am afraid it may be MANY. I can only hope that is not the case.

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It is truly amusing to read the sky is falling posts by some of our civics instructors around here. Many claim that the Trump presidency hasn't started yet and that we should give this abortion a fair chance. Yet they fail to acknowledge that he is foisting unabashed racists, bigots, religious zealots, conspiracy theorists and the brazenly self dealing upon us. Worse yet he has opened the cages of the worst Congressmen who want nothing more than to destroy the very fabric of this country for power and profit .

Then to ask for tolerance of the most vile intolerant among us is utterly ridiculous. To cluck disingenuously about the alleged hopes of MANY immediately after 2008 is downright insulting. It's one thing to ask us to ignore facts, the plain meaning of words and reason in favor of what is in these charlatans' hearts, but now to demand that we do as they ask without considering what they long have done is bizarre in it's offensiveness.

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What is so funny that is where McCain was born.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Close the thread. This post says everything that needs to be said.

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It hasn't started yet. It is scheduled to begin on 1/20.

The Congress has been destroying this country for some time. For power and for profit.

Giving someone the opportunity is the same thing you wanted in 2008.

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I have no power to ask for anything. I would hope that people would not attempt to destabilize the US government because they don't like the guy who was elected. That would truly be vile.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

It's pretty laughable to compare Trump to Obama, and say that Trump deserves the same benefit of the doubt as Obama. Why would Obama not get it? His "inexperience"? Trump has never held public office, he regularly says things that are offensive at best, and he has gone out of his way to say that the previous president was not even bore in the United States without any proof. All are reasonable red flags. What were Obama's?

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I'm sorry which group was the one that had a stated goal of obstruction to make who a"one term President " which group shut the government down twice, was willing to default on the debt they created in their feeding frenzies and has been as divisive as their dixiecrat forbears?

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Are you talking about the Tea Party from 2009-2016?

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Chas is right, Mike.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Well, I guess it depends on just how vile you think the guy is and how far you're willing to go to address it and how many people are with you. I don't think most are going to foment full revolution over the election of Trump no matter how angry they get online or at the Golden Globes.

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I can't really fault a politician for wanting to make the President of the other party a one term President.

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You keep saying that nobody can respond without their Trump bias clouding them, yet you can't seem to grasp that everything you and the Trupkins bitch about is exactly what DJT did before he amazingly won this thing, and ignore that he's doing everything he said HRC would do.

Think buddy. Canal Zone / Birth Canal

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you don't fucking mess with undermining the government. that shit gets out of control in a big hurry.

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My disappointment in MANY (some of whom I still see as honorable men) is more than offset by the ardent patriotism of others here.

Just sayin'.

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Even those who worship darkness and whose goal in life is to bury people can be patriotic.

I hope I'm in the patriot category.

Seriously, this discussion is heading into a conversation about whether our nation and our government are the synonymous. I would suggest that they are not. There might be a time when it is completely appropriate to take up arms against an overreaching government. As awful as I think Trump has the potential to be, I don't think he rises to a level where I am willing to join a revolution against him. I'm at least gonna wait until he's sworn in.

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As it is the government has so many checks and balances, he shouldn't be able to do anything FAR afield from the will of the people and/or the Constitution. If he does, it should be easy enough to impeach him and the problem is solved. If the Congress fails to impeach him in the face of evidence of criminal activity, then it might be fair to discuss a revolution.

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I hope I'm in the disappointment category.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

As opposed to the party that tried to make Bush a one term President and claimed that he stole an election?

Or voted to get us into a war and claimed the very people that lied to them about intel are now worthy of being believed when it's about Trump?

We can do this all day but it may be time to consider that politicians are safest when people point fingers and call names.

Look, you will get a few of the local sycophants to pat you on the back for this. But in the end, you will see that you are railing against Trump for the same things that were done to the current POTUS.

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