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Its almost physically impossible to "pull" a shotgun on someone. If RR wants to spew this shit he should expect to be challenged on it.

What the fuck are you talking about?


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Had cops pull guns on me twice (shotgun first 9 mm the next time).

What I'm saying is how can someone say it's physically impossible to have a shotgun pulled on you?
I don't know how someone doesn't understand the statement.

How or where does one holster a shotgun?

Or why would a cop on a traffic stop for speeding go all the way to his trunk, grab a shotgun, and then approach RR when police already have a handgun holstered to their hip? This is the kind of cartoonish evil that makes RR's stories feel more like fantasy than reality.

Ok I have my answer. Thanks. Have a great night.

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Here comes the pearl clutching burritos... /eyeroll

Sorry, it's pretty clear you are a jag. Hard to misinterpret.

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America has been trending this way for about a year. He appears to get off on the shock value of his posts. He's either trolling or he's extremely ignorant.

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Here comes the pearl clutching burritos... /eyeroll

Sorry, it's pretty clear you are a jag. Hard to misinterpret.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:29 pm 
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America,

Since you asked, I once got pulled over in Johnson (?) Co., IL going 71 on the highway. Coming home from school. The first trooper was shaky and brought out his shotgun. The next one (out of the 5 that came out) just joked: "well we might as well line you boys up right here and shoot you) jumped out his car with his shotgun. Btw, my retelling this is not for you, but rather the logical folks around here.

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Since you asked, I once got pulled over in Johnson (?) Co., IL going 71 on the highway. Coming home from school. The first trooper was shaky and brought out his shotgun. The next one (out of the 5 that came out) just joked: "well we might as well line you boys up right here and shoot you) jumped out his car with his shotgun. Btw, my retelling this is not for you, but rather the logical folks around here.

So two cops pulled their shotguns on you or one? And if you were on your way to Chicago from SIUC you'd really have to be taking the scenic route to go through Johnson County. And wow that's quite the quip by some downstate trooper! You only see that kind of cartoonishly evil behavior in movies.

I still dont think you're making much sense but whatever...not like you'll ever admit even a fraction of what you've posted is even an exaggeration much less complete bullshit. Like the demonic CPD that refuses to investigate the murder of two innocent college students.


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I bet the CPD would only operate black sites in the movies too!

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I bet the CPD would only operate black sites in the movies too!

http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/cpd ... lack-site/


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Since you asked, I once got pulled over in Johnson (?) Co., IL going 71 on the highway. Coming home from school. The first trooper was shaky and brought out his shotgun. The next one (out of the 5 that came out) just joked: "well we might as well line you boys up right here and shoot you) jumped out his car with his shotgun. Btw, my retelling this is not for you, but rather the logical folks around here.

So two cops pulled their shotguns on you or one? And if you were on your way to Chicago from SIUC you'd really have to be taking the scenic route to go through Johnson County. And wow that's quite the quip by some downstate trooper! You only see that kind of cartoonishly evil behavior in movies.

I still dont think you're making much sense but whatever...not like you'll ever admit even a fraction of what you've posted is even an exaggeration much less complete bullshit. Like the demonic CPD that refuses to investigate the murder of two innocent college students.

I was going to pick up a friend in Carbondale on my way home from Atlanta, hence the route.. And I guess you'd be quite the person to talk about the validity of $5 quips.

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Look I dont see the need to get all nasty. You dont like police and you're probably heated just thinking about it which leads to you kind of blowing some of these stories up a little. I do the same thing sometimes.

There is no issue worth losing your cool over though. That and some of your insults dont even make sense ($5 quips? What?).


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Chicago has one of the worst clearance rates in the country on homicides, it would seem to be common sense to hire more detectives and stop excluding people who have a criminal background. What are your thoughts on this?



They typically know who or what group is responsible for the vast majority of murders. Most are retaliation for earlier shootings/killings. When you don't have witnesses or a murder weapon there is not much you can do.

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Look I dont see the need to get all nasty. You dont like police and you're probably heated just thinking about it which leads to you kind of blowing some of these stories up a little. I do the same thing sometimes.

There is no issue worth losing your cool over though. That and some of your insults dont even make sense ($5 quips? What?).


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What I'm saying isn't racist. Maybe according to the twisted modern standard where a white person even discussing the affairs of black people is considered taboo, sure. But that standard is horseshit.

Ah yes, the classic "you guys are the real racists for calling my idiotic bullshit racist."


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What I'm saying isn't racist. Maybe according to the twisted modern standard where a white person even discussing the affairs of black people is considered taboo, sure. But that standard is horseshit.

Ah yes, the classic "you guys are the real racists for calling my idiotic bullshit racist."

Where the hell do you get that from?


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What I'm saying isn't racist. Maybe according to the twisted modern standard where a white person even discussing the affairs of black people is considered taboo, sure. But that standard is horseshit.

Ah yes, the classic "you guys are the real racists for calling my idiotic bullshit racist."

Where the hell do you get that from?

Don't mind me, I don't want to take away from your bravery in telling things like it really is. You're the greatest example of the white man we should all aspire to be, even Nas and RR.


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Who am I calling racist?


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Chicago has one of the worst clearance rates in the country on homicides, it would seem to be common sense to hire more detectives and stop excluding people who have a criminal background. What are your thoughts on this?



They typically know who or what group is responsible for the vast majority of murders. Most are retaliation for earlier shootings/killings. When you don't have witnesses or a murder weapon there is not much you can do.




Horseshit, 25% is abysmal.. Nationally the clearance rate is 64%, they deal with similar circumstances as well..and CPD " clears" murders without making an arrest too, a suspect that dies or when all witnesses refuse testimony they still clear that case without and arrest, so that 25% is even shittier in reality. Hey, maybe if you don't treat people like dogshit and de escelate situations rather than amp them up, then people would be more cooperative.

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America has been trending this way for about a year. He appears to get off on the shock value of his posts. He's either trolling or he's extremely ignorant.

No need to present them as mutually exclusive ... I find in MANY cases if one is true so is the other.

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And for the record you sniveling asshole, I know all kinds of "normal", especially from deluded self important criminal pseudo intellectual wannabes. Or their idols, shitty public servants.

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anyways, please forgive my attempt at levity in the wake of your legit (and justified) !!! --- i'm not meaning to come off like i'm trying to deny you any of those feelings or saying that perhaps they're what the british call "a bit much" -- if anything, man, it's like denzel saying "i didn't know you get wet" and the parliament funkadelic retorts "if you can dance to what we have to live through you can dance underwater and not get wet" --- and it's equal parts amazing and sad what passes for decent scuba gear nowadays, you know what i'm saying?

in lieu of sending money cuz dan bernstein, my thoughts and prayers go out to anyone and everyone affected by those that you've lost recently double-R; god bless!

tangentially speaking, my own dumbass life-decisions have given me countless experiences to experience DWW/WWW (Driving/Walking while white) because when i'd be down in uhhh, more colorful areas of the city if any of those law-enforcing types got a load of me there was immediately some kind of negative assumption/connotation as to 1) my character and consequent worthwhileness as a "human being" 2) what i was doing in that area [and of course no matter what i said they KNEW what i was doing, hence why at least 1 or 2 times i've had to freestyle rap to try and go against what they already know-- and even "passing that test" = of course they were still "right," they just decided that i was "one of the good ones" and they "kinda liked me" so they'd stop fucking with me-- and of course 3) most importantly, what i had on me.

and of course, some years into "my bullshit" i came to find out that just because you don't have anything [illegal] on you doesn't mean that you don't "have something [illegal] on you" because, hey, the cops knew what you were trying to do, they just happened to run into you before you "did your thing" so therefore doing a little something to make sure you get "caught with something" = totally justified because even tho you might not technically have anything on you right now, you probably did yesterday and the last however many days before that, let alone the obvious fact that you will have something on you later/tomorrow/etc so really they're just filling in the blank with the obvious DUH and hey, they're doing society a favor because [you're you] and seriously, they might not be there to catch you [in the act] tomorrow so hey let's make this process easier for everyone involved and just get it over with today! * claps hands * the ends justifies the means, so please enjoy the free room and board at the hotel 26th & california... and #NevarForget: it's their city and i just happened to be in it, you know what i'm saying?

so when i read all of these stories about DWB here and i hear some of these claims.... man, even if it was technically some dumbass situation that i directly caused myself, i was stil in those situations enough to know that all this kind of shit happens. when those sworn to protect and uphold the law have it out for you, especially by virtue of the color of your skin, it's easy to remember (and dear god please don't let me "find out") that they're sworn to protect the law and not you because all it takes is some kind of formal disparity/dichotomy of [good] "people who are supposed to be here" and [bad] "people who have no business here" to enable a situation where those in power are able to powertrip on anyone who they see fit, assuming that said person fits into the [sarcastically-]wonderful world of institutional racism; whether that's some dumbass fiend putzing around numbered streets and/or streets named after presidents; or whether that's some random black person walking down a residential street in schaumburg-- the institutional racism provides an opportunity for would-be powertrippers to exercise their power because "they're just doing their job" in a situation where that institutional racism provides "probable cause" for said "fish/es out of water" to "be up to no good" because clearly, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and it fucks other ducks then it's obviously a duck (or at leas some new otherkin fetish undoubtedly borne of/on tumblr =)

and you know, after saying it like that i'm kind of at a loss for words of what to say next, as i mainly just kind of wanted to pop up here and say that i can legit commiserate with people who have had to deal with the "business end" of DWB (hence why cops always live to ask what "business" you have being in that area, eh?) because man.... you know, even if at the end of the day they're technically right about some-to-most of their assumptions being correct.... when the front-lines of society's protectors decide to police everyone in such a way that it's more desirable to "nail all the bad guys" than it is to "make sure that no innocent person gets wrongfully accused", you know, writing off actual "victims" of profiling/harrassment/worse as "collateral damage" because "society's problems" are of more concern than "the rights of an innocent wo/man" -- then you create the kind of environment where you honestly can't blame people for not trusting their protectors because, example, it's worth fucking up the life of one innocent person because cutting corners (read: profiling/stop-n-frisk/aggro-shit) allowed you to easily arrest. say, thirty-six guilty ones.... then how can you say that "Black Lives Matter" if you're more worried about 36 arrests than 1 innocent life getting fucked up?

call me an idealist, but you know, aren't you supposed to be protecting 1/37 innocent people way more than you're supposed to going HAM after 36/37 people? and that's gotta be an absolute concept, cuz if you started saying "maybe if 13/37 arrests were innocent then you've got a point and we'll have to make some changes" -- then aren't you saying that the life of one person is technically worthless on its own merit? that now in the wake of actual #s you're willing to make some changes that you weren't willing to make for "just one person" because people's lives only start to matter when there's enough of them to cause YOU problems? and then of course when you start to realize that their (police) problems >>> your problems then it's only natural to ask yourself "well then who are they really protecting and serving out there?"

...and i figure that's probably one of those times where people of reasonable conscience and righteousness pick up a posterboard and start writing "BLACK LIVES MATTER" --- but if i'm wrong about this please let me know, because at the end of the day i once again have to disclaim that even tho my own personal experiences are technically "legit" it might very well be that they're only legit in a vacuum/bubble/etc of my own creation. [and dammit, this is where good dolphin got me good cuz you know what i wanna say here =]

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America you are coming off pretty bad here.

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The kidnapping and torture of that child changed my opinion dramatically, and the subsequent excuse-making and normalizing of that kind of heinous crime changed my sympathies permanently. I cant tolerate the kind of rhetoric RR has been making against police officers, which is really just a proxy argument against whites, any longer.

I wouldn't make up those kinds of stories aboutr any single person or group of people. Even the Cubs. I've got my flaws but I cant hold that type of contempt and hatred for an entire cast of humanity, and now its at the point where I cant abide the presence of those that do.


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The kidnapping and torture of that child changed my opinion dramatically, and the subsequent excuse-making and normalizing of that kind of heinous crime changed my sympathies permanently. I cant tolerate the kind of rhetoric RR has been making against police officers, which is really just a proxy argument against whites, any longer.

I wouldn't make up those kinds of stories aboutr any single person or group of people. Even the Cubs. I've got my flaws but I cant hold that type of contempt and hatred for an entire cast of humanity, and now its at the point where I cant abide the presence of those that do.
I don't think those stories are unbelievable and I also don't know why RR would need to make them up. Overzealous police clearly exist and even more so with minorities.

You also don't need to be involved with gangs to get killed. Many parts of Chicago are violent.

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I don't think those stories are unbelievable and I also don't know why RR would need to make them up. Overzealous police clearly exist and even more so with minorities.

You also don't need to be involved with gangs to get killed. Many parts of Chicago are violent.


Not my point and it never really was. My point was if the police didn't conduct a real investigation its probably because they were affiliated, a fact RR is either hiding or refusing to acknowledge because nobody really has any sympathy for gang members. But, if they really were honor roll students and completely uninvolved it would hardly make sense for such an "overzealous" police department to ignore it. Violent crime, particularly murder, against law abiding citizens is taken much more seriously.

So I think RR is exaggerating either the innocence of the victims or the indifference of the police. I dont think that's an unfair critique to have of his stories.


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Maybe RR is a little. Maybe he is not. I dont think they deserved to die.

What is not fair is to paint with a three mile wide paint brush as you have done in this thread.

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I don't think those stories are unbelievable and I also don't know why RR would need to make them up. Overzealous police clearly exist and even more so with minorities.

You also don't need to be involved with gangs to get killed. Many parts of Chicago are violent.


Not my point and it never really was. My point was if the police didn't conduct a real investigation its probably because they were affiliated, a fact RR is either hiding or refusing to acknowledge because nobody really has any sympathy for gang members. But, if they really were honor roll students and completely uninvolved it would hardly make sense for such an "overzealous" police department to ignore it. Violent crime, particularly murder, against law abiding citizens is taken much more seriously.

So I think RR is exaggerating either the innocence of the victims or the indifference of the police. I dont think that's an unfair critique to have of his stories.




:lol: I bet there were dozens of people killed in the crossfire or mistaken identity this year and every year. When ignorant teenage gang bangers roll through a rival hood they are usually whacked out on dust and shooting anybody that's 12-25.

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Maybe RR is a little. Maybe he is not. I dont think they deserved to die.

What is not fair is to paint with a three mile wide paint brush as you have done in this thread.

If you want to accuse me of this there are other more obvious candidates in this thread who painting with much wider brushes with a lot more aggression but are getting away with it because of the side they are on.


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America wrote:
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I don't think those stories are unbelievable and I also don't know why RR would need to make them up. Overzealous police clearly exist and even more so with minorities.

You also don't need to be involved with gangs to get killed. Many parts of Chicago are violent.


Not my point and it never really was. My point was if the police didn't conduct a real investigation its probably because they were affiliated, a fact RR is either hiding or refusing to acknowledge because nobody really has any sympathy for gang members. But, if they really were honor roll students and completely uninvolved it would hardly make sense for such an "overzealous" police department to ignore it. Violent crime, particularly murder, against law abiding citizens is taken much more seriously.

So I think RR is exaggerating either the innocence of the victims or the indifference of the police. I dont think that's an unfair critique to have of his stories.



There are MANY crimes that go unsolved. Unless you manage to get some media coverage there is a better than 50% chance that a murder of a black man or unattractive black woman won't be solved.

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