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Newburyport, Mass. — Every year on the third Monday of January, Americans of all races, backgrounds and ideologies celebrate the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He is rightly lionized and sanctified by whites as well as blacks, by Republicans as well as Democrats.

It is easy to forget that, until fairly recently, many white Americans loathed Dr. King. They perceived him as a rabble rouser and an agitator; some rejoiced in his assassination in April 1968. How they got from loathing to loving is less a story about growing tolerance and diminishing racism, and more about the ways that Dr. King’s legacy has been scrubbed and blunted.

The Dr. King we remember today is particularly at odds with his radical turn in his last years. In 1967 he denounced the Vietnam War and warned that America was courting “spiritual death.” In early 1968 he planned the Poor People’s Campaign, in which millions of impoverished Americans — black, white and Latino — would gather in Washington for an enormous demonstration. He called for $30 billion annually in antipoverty spending, and asked Congress to guarantee an income for each American. To many Americans, this sounded like socialist lunacy.

Dr. King spent his final days in Memphis, marching with striking sanitation workers. On March 28, 1968, some marchers behind him turned violent. His critics believed their argument had been proved — that Dr. King’s claims to nonviolence were so much pretense. When he was killed a week later, Senator Strom Thurmond, Republican of South Carolina, told an audience that Dr. King was “an outside agitator, bent on stirring people up.” Ronald Reagan, then governor of California, described Dr. King’s killing as a “great tragedy that began when we began compromising with law and order, and people started choosing which laws they’d break.”


But Dr. King’s legacy — the meaning of “Martin Luther King” in the popular mind — began to change as soon as the man himself left us. As groups like the Black Panthers and the Weathermen called for armed resistance, Dr. King’s peaceful methods looked more appealing. Many white Americans focused on one line of King’s “I Have a Dream” speech — that he longed for the day when his children would “not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character” — and molded him into a gentle champion of colorblindness.

The King holiday was both cause and effect of this selective appropriation. Congressman John Conyers, a Democrat from Michigan, first proposed a holiday bill in 1968, and he offered the legislation virtually every year thereafter. In 1983, it finally neared passage. Though Reagan, by then president, opposed the holiday, congressional Republicans realized that endorsing the bill could help to burnish their party’s civil rights bona fides. The House passed the legislation by a wide margin.

But the debate in the Senate did Republicans no favors. Jesse Helms, Republican of North Carolina, filibustered the bill, saying that Dr. King “appears to have welcomed collaboration with Communists” and distributed a 300-page packet detailing Dr. King’s supposed treachery. Mr. Helms eventually ended his filibuster, and on Oct. 19 the Senate passed the holiday bill.

Dr. King’s opponents weren’t done. The Conservative Caucus collected 43,000 signatures on a petition urging Reagan to veto the holiday. But Reagan signed the bill anyway — in large part because, Senator Helms aside, many conservatives had “discovered,” and embraced, a useful version of Dr. King.

That embrace tightened during the battle over affirmative action. On Jan. 15, 1986, days before the first Martin Luther King Day, Attorney General Edwin Meese proposed to eliminate minority hiring goals for federal contractors. Using words that would be repeated, in one form or another, throughout the affirmative-action debate, Mr. Meese claimed that his proposal was “very consistent with what Dr. King had in mind.”

In 1996, Louisiana’s governor signed an executive order to halt affirmative action programs. “King sort of believed like I do,” said Mike Foster, a Republican. “I can’t find anywhere in his writings that he wanted reverse discrimination.” (Mr. Foster’s search apparently did not include Dr. King’s book “Where Do We Go From Here?” in which he explained: “A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him.”)

This reappropriation continues today. In an attack on Colin Kaepernick, the quarterback of the San Francisco 49ers, for kneeling in protest during the national anthem, the Clemson football coach Dabo Swinney said that people like Mr. Kaepernick should “move to another country.” Mr. Swinney recommended that protesters heed Dr. King’s shining example: “I think the answer to our problems is exactly what they were for Martin Luther King when he changed the world. Love, peace, education, tolerance of others, Jesus” — as if Dr. King never criticized his country or paralyzed American cities with campaigns of civil disobedience.

In this season of political polarization, it is tempting to hope that we can unite in celebration of Dr. King. But celebrators ought to know whom they are honoring. Dr. King died for striking garbage workers and beseeched his government to protect the vulnerable. He had a message for those who would target immigrants or wall off America from the world. In a 1967 speech, he declared: “Our loyalties must become ecumenical rather than national.” Instead of policing their borders, nations should “develop an overriding loyalty to mankind as a whole.”

The alternative was unacceptable. “History is cluttered with the wreckage of nations and individuals that pursued this self-defeating path of hate.” To honor Dr. King is to follow a different path.

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I'm gonna have to read up on this Dr. King person. We must've skipped over him and his cause in school.

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I'm gonna have to read up on this Dr. King person. We must've skipped over him and his cause in school.


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Why does MLK get his own day while Lincoln and Washington are forced to share a day? Also my Irish ancestors were slaves but you don't here me complaining.

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Why does MLK get his own day while Lincoln and Washington are forced to share a day? Also my Irish ancestors were slaves but you don't here me complaining.

The latter two ended up on the green, while the former just ended up in the red.

... I apologize ... a bit ...

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Newburyport, Mass. — Every year on the third Monday of January, Americans of all races, backgrounds and ideologies celebrate the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He is rightly lionized and sanctified by whites as well as blacks, by Republicans as well as Democrats.

It is easy to forget that, until fairly recently, many white Americans loathed Dr. King. They perceived him as a rabble rouser and an agitator; some rejoiced in his assassination in April 1968. How they got from loathing to loving is less a story about growing tolerance and diminishing racism, and more about the ways that Dr. King’s legacy has been scrubbed and blunted.

The Dr. King we remember today is particularly at odds with his radical turn in his last years. In 1967 he denounced the Vietnam War and warned that America was courting “spiritual death.” In early 1968 he planned the Poor People’s Campaign, in which millions of impoverished Americans — black, white and Latino — would gather in Washington for an enormous demonstration. He called for $30 billion annually in antipoverty spending, and asked Congress to guarantee an income for each American. To many Americans, this sounded like socialist lunacy.


Dr. King spent his final days in Memphis, marching with striking sanitation workers. On March 28, 1968, some marchers behind him turned violent. His critics believed their argument had been proved — that Dr. King’s claims to nonviolence were so much pretense. When he was killed a week later, Senator Strom Thurmond, Republican of South Carolina, told an audience that Dr. King was “an outside agitator, bent on stirring people up.” Ronald Reagan, then governor of California, described Dr. King’s killing as a “great tragedy that began when we began compromising with law and order, and people started choosing which laws they’d break.”


But Dr. King’s legacy — the meaning of “Martin Luther King” in the popular mind — began to change as soon as the man himself left us. As groups like the Black Panthers and the Weathermen called for armed resistance, Dr. King’s peaceful methods looked more appealing. Many white Americans focused on one line of King’s “I Have a Dream” speech — that he longed for the day when his children would “not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character” — and molded him into a gentle champion of colorblindness.

The King holiday was both cause and effect of this selective appropriation. Congressman John Conyers, a Democrat from Michigan, first proposed a holiday bill in 1968, and he offered the legislation virtually every year thereafter. In 1983, it finally neared passage. Though Reagan, by then president, opposed the holiday, congressional Republicans realized that endorsing the bill could help to burnish their party’s civil rights bona fides. The House passed the legislation by a wide margin.


This article is obviously correct, but it's also true that popular opinion has changed on many of these issues. For example, Vietnam is now almost universally considered a mistake. And though some would still consider a base national annual salary "socialist lunacy", Americans are certainly much more open to such an idea now than they were at the time of King's death.

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I liked Martin and Malcolm In The Middle.

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Newburyport, Mass. — Every year on the third Monday of January, Americans of all races, backgrounds and ideologies celebrate the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He is rightly lionized and sanctified by whites as well as blacks, by Republicans as well as Democrats.

It is easy to forget that, until fairly recently, many white Americans loathed Dr. King. They perceived him as a rabble rouser and an agitator; some rejoiced in his assassination in April 1968. How they got from loathing to loving is less a story about growing tolerance and diminishing racism, and more about the ways that Dr. King’s legacy has been scrubbed and blunted.

The Dr. King we remember today is particularly at odds with his radical turn in his last years. In 1967 he denounced the Vietnam War and warned that America was courting “spiritual death.” In early 1968 he planned the Poor People’s Campaign, in which millions of impoverished Americans — black, white and Latino — would gather in Washington for an enormous demonstration. He called for $30 billion annually in antipoverty spending, and asked Congress to guarantee an income for each American. To many Americans, this sounded like socialist lunacy.


Dr. King spent his final days in Memphis, marching with striking sanitation workers. On March 28, 1968, some marchers behind him turned violent. His critics believed their argument had been proved — that Dr. King’s claims to nonviolence were so much pretense. When he was killed a week later, Senator Strom Thurmond, Republican of South Carolina, told an audience that Dr. King was “an outside agitator, bent on stirring people up.” Ronald Reagan, then governor of California, described Dr. King’s killing as a “great tragedy that began when we began compromising with law and order, and people started choosing which laws they’d break.”


But Dr. King’s legacy — the meaning of “Martin Luther King” in the popular mind — began to change as soon as the man himself left us. As groups like the Black Panthers and the Weathermen called for armed resistance, Dr. King’s peaceful methods looked more appealing. Many white Americans focused on one line of King’s “I Have a Dream” speech — that he longed for the day when his children would “not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character” — and molded him into a gentle champion of colorblindness.

The King holiday was both cause and effect of this selective appropriation. Congressman John Conyers, a Democrat from Michigan, first proposed a holiday bill in 1968, and he offered the legislation virtually every year thereafter. In 1983, it finally neared passage. Though Reagan, by then president, opposed the holiday, congressional Republicans realized that endorsing the bill could help to burnish their party’s civil rights bona fides. The House passed the legislation by a wide margin.


This article is obviously correct, but it's also true that popular opinion has changed on many of these issues. For example, Vietnam is now almost universally considered a mistake. And though some would still consider a base national annual salary "socialist lunacy", Americans are certainly much more open to such an idea now than they were at the time of King's death.


No, the article is incorrect. All of those supposedly scrubbed items would be acceptable today and have been since MLK Day came into existence. There is not a single big reveal by this author, who thought he was going to lay some shocking info on the masses.

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I think it's more about how the people who called him an extremist (or worse) have now embraced him in ways that seem fake.

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is that the full article?


No. I thought I attached the link. Now I just attached the rest of the article.

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Had he not been assassinated, I wonder if he would still be this almost Christ-like figure. It seems likely that the FBI would have gone after him as a Communist and tried to muddy his image if he continued down this economic equality path. He was dead on in his assessment, and it was the right agenda to push. But this was going after the most powerful people in the country and forcing them to level the playing field. That's far more difficult that granting civil rights.

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Had he not been assassinated, I wonder if he would still be this almost Christ-like figure. It seems likely that the FBI would have gone after him as a Communist and tried to muddy his image if he continued down this economic equality path. He was dead on in his assessment, and it was the right agenda to push. But this was going after the most powerful people in the country and forcing them to level the playing field. That's far more difficult that granting civil rights.



I'm all for the Poor People March but a guaranteed wage is an awful idea.

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Had he not been assassinated, I wonder if he would still be this almost Christ-like figure. It seems likely that the FBI would have gone after him as a Communist and tried to muddy his image if he continued down this economic equality path. He was dead on in his assessment, and it was the right agenda to push. But this was going after the most powerful people in the country and forcing them to level the playing field. That's far more difficult that granting civil rights.



I'm all for the Poor People March but a guaranteed wage is an awful idea.

Right now it is and clearly would have been back then. It will be needed eventually though.

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Had he not been assassinated, I wonder if he would still be this almost Christ-like figure. It seems likely that the FBI would have gone after him as a Communist and tried to muddy his image if he continued down this economic equality path. He was dead on in his assessment, and it was the right agenda to push. But this was going after the most powerful people in the country and forcing them to level the playing field. That's far more difficult that granting civil rights.



I'm all for the Poor People March but a guaranteed wage is an awful idea.

Right now it is and clearly would have been back then. It will be needed eventually though.


He was ahead of his time, but I think a guaranteed wage with be the big political issue of the next decade.

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Had he not been assassinated, I wonder if he would still be this almost Christ-like figure. It seems likely that the FBI would have gone after him as a Communist and tried to muddy his image if he continued down this economic equality path. He was dead on in his assessment, and it was the right agenda to push. But this was going after the most powerful people in the country and forcing them to level the playing field. That's far more difficult that granting civil rights.



I'm all for the Poor People March but a guaranteed wage is an awful idea.

Right now it is and clearly would have been back then. It will be needed eventually though.


He was ahead of his time, but I think a guaranteed wage with be the big political issue of the next decade.

I'm not sure he was ahead of his time. He wasn't calling for it because of automation and 3D printing.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Had he not been assassinated, I wonder if he would still be this almost Christ-like figure. It seems likely that the FBI would have gone after him as a Communist and tried to muddy his image if he continued down this economic equality path. He was dead on in his assessment, and it was the right agenda to push. But this was going after the most powerful people in the country and forcing them to level the playing field. That's far more difficult that granting civil rights.



I'm all for the Poor People March but a guaranteed wage is an awful idea.

Right now it is and clearly would have been back then. It will be needed eventually though.


He was ahead of his time, but I think a guaranteed wage with be the big political issue of the next decade.

I'm not sure he was ahead of his time. He wasn't calling for it because of automation and 3D printing.


I would say calling for racial harmony and economic equality at the height of the Cold War were concepts many people were not ready for.

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Newburyport, Mass. — Every year on the third Monday of January, Americans of all races, backgrounds and ideologies celebrate the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He is rightly lionized and sanctified by whites as well as blacks, by Republicans as well as Democrats.

It is easy to forget that, until fairly recently, many white Americans loathed Dr. King. They perceived him as a rabble rouser and an agitator; some rejoiced in his assassination in April 1968. How they got from loathing to loving is less a story about growing tolerance and diminishing racism, and more about the ways that Dr. King’s legacy has been scrubbed and blunted.

The Dr. King we remember today is particularly at odds with his radical turn in his last years. In 1967 he denounced the Vietnam War and warned that America was courting “spiritual death.” In early 1968 he planned the Poor People’s Campaign, in which millions of impoverished Americans — black, white and Latino — would gather in Washington for an enormous demonstration. He called for $30 billion annually in antipoverty spending, and asked Congress to guarantee an income for each American. To many Americans, this sounded like socialist lunacy.


Dr. King spent his final days in Memphis, marching with striking sanitation workers. On March 28, 1968, some marchers behind him turned violent. His critics believed their argument had been proved — that Dr. King’s claims to nonviolence were so much pretense. When he was killed a week later, Senator Strom Thurmond, Republican of South Carolina, told an audience that Dr. King was “an outside agitator, bent on stirring people up.” Ronald Reagan, then governor of California, described Dr. King’s killing as a “great tragedy that began when we began compromising with law and order, and people started choosing which laws they’d break.”


But Dr. King’s legacy — the meaning of “Martin Luther King” in the popular mind — began to change as soon as the man himself left us. As groups like the Black Panthers and the Weathermen called for armed resistance, Dr. King’s peaceful methods looked more appealing. Many white Americans focused on one line of King’s “I Have a Dream” speech — that he longed for the day when his children would “not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character” — and molded him into a gentle champion of colorblindness.

The King holiday was both cause and effect of this selective appropriation. Congressman John Conyers, a Democrat from Michigan, first proposed a holiday bill in 1968, and he offered the legislation virtually every year thereafter. In 1983, it finally neared passage. Though Reagan, by then president, opposed the holiday, congressional Republicans realized that endorsing the bill could help to burnish their party’s civil rights bona fides. The House passed the legislation by a wide margin.


This article is obviously correct, but it's also true that popular opinion has changed on many of these issues. For example, Vietnam is now almost universally considered a mistake. And though some would still consider a base national annual salary "socialist lunacy", Americans are certainly much more open to such an idea now than they were at the time of King's death.


No, the article is incorrect. All of those supposedly scrubbed items would be acceptable today and have been since MLK Day came into existence. There is not a single big reveal by this author, who thought he was going to lay some shocking info on the masses.


I disagree. The point is, the equivalent of Donald Trump- or even me and you to be honest- wasn't talking about how great King was in 1970.

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I saw the movie Hidden Figures the other day with my kids. Good movie BTW. There was a clip of MLK in it. got me to be thinking afterward about his pillars of non-violence and Christianity. Two things not really front and center among "black elite" today - I use that term b/c I don't know what else to call people like Ta-Nahisi Coates and his milieu.

Interesting his quote above “Our loyalties must become ecumenical rather than national.” Instead of policing their borders, nations should “develop an overriding loyalty to mankind as a whole.”

I guess except when that comes to Catholics in South Vietnam.

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I saw the movie Hidden Figures the other day with my kids. Good movie BTW. There was a clip of MLK in it. got me to be thinking afterward about his pillars of non-violence and Christianity. Two things not really front and center among "black elite" today - I use that term b/c I don't know what else to call people like Ta-Nahisi Coates and his milieu.

Interesting his quote above “Our loyalties must become ecumenical rather than national.” Instead of policing their borders, nations should “develop an overriding loyalty to mankind as a whole.”

I guess except when that comes to Catholics in South Vietnam.



Coates is not exactly a man of the people: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... gs/481818/

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I saw the movie Hidden Figures the other day with my kids. Good movie BTW. There was a clip of MLK in it. got me to be thinking afterward about his pillars of non-violence and Christianity. Two things not really front and center among "black elite" today - I use that term b/c I don't know what else to call people like Ta-Nahisi Coates and his milieu.

Interesting his quote above “Our loyalties must become ecumenical rather than national.” Instead of policing their borders, nations should “develop an overriding loyalty to mankind as a whole.”

I guess except when that comes to Catholics in South Vietnam.



Coates is not exactly a man of the people: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... gs/481818/



I don't dislike Coates and he made a compelling case in his reparations article, which is really what put him on the map, but one thing that he was wrong about- and it's already a meme- is that "all Trump had to do to be president was to be white and rich". That sounds nice as a soundbite designed to highlight the struggles of Obama, but upon just a tiny bit of thought, it's clearly untrue. There are many, many rich white guys who have desperately tried to be president again and again and failed. There's even a rich white woman who probably would have sold her soul to the devil to be president.

I read a quote from Obama yesterday that is a lot closer to reality. He said that he was sure that there are people who voted against him for no other reason than that he was black. But he also said that there are others who voted for him for exactly the same reason and that he undoubtedly derived political benefit as well as roadblocks due to his skin color. "It cuts both ways."

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I saw the movie Hidden Figures the other day with my kids. Good movie BTW. There was a clip of MLK in it. got me to be thinking afterward about his pillars of non-violence and Christianity. Two things not really front and center among "black elite" today - I use that term b/c I don't know what else to call people like Ta-Nahisi Coates and his milieu.

Interesting his quote above “Our loyalties must become ecumenical rather than national.” Instead of policing their borders, nations should “develop an overriding loyalty to mankind as a whole.”

I guess except when that comes to Catholics in South Vietnam.



Coates is not exactly a man of the people: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... gs/481818/



I don't dislike Coates and he made a compelling case in his reparations article, which is really what put him on the map, but one thing that he was wrong about- and it's already a meme- is that "all Trump had to do to be president was to be white and rich". That sounds nice as a soundbite designed to highlight the struggles of Obama, but upon just a tiny bit of thought, it's clearly untrue. There are many, many rich white guys who have desperately tried to be president again and again and failed. There's even a rich white woman who probably would have sold her soul to the devil to be president.

I read a quote from Obama yesterday that is a lot closer to reality. He said that he was sure that there are people who voted against him for no other reason than that he was black. But he also said that there are others who voted for him for exactly the same reason and that he undoubtedly derived political benefit as well as roadblocks due to his skin color. "It cuts both ways."


Coates is always a compelling read, but I find him to be overly nihilistic, loose with the facts and frankly hateful at times. Why go after Bernie Sanders for "not supporting reparations" in the primaries when it's not even anything more than a concept, but then say that he would vote for Sanders. How is that beneficial to anyone?

He reminds me of some of the hardline feminists, who claim to want equality, when they are really seeking revenge of some sort. We are never going to get equal outcomes under the current economic system, and we are not going to be able to change anything if we are dividing people of similar economic status along racial lines.

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Newburyport, Mass. — Every year on the third Monday of January, Americans of all races, backgrounds and ideologies celebrate the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He is rightly lionized and sanctified by whites as well as blacks, by Republicans as well as Democrats.

It is easy to forget that, until fairly recently, many white Americans loathed Dr. King. They perceived him as a rabble rouser and an agitator; some rejoiced in his assassination in April 1968. How they got from loathing to loving is less a story about growing tolerance and diminishing racism, and more about the ways that Dr. King’s legacy has been scrubbed and blunted.

The Dr. King we remember today is particularly at odds with his radical turn in his last years. In 1967 he denounced the Vietnam War and warned that America was courting “spiritual death.” In early 1968 he planned the Poor People’s Campaign, in which millions of impoverished Americans — black, white and Latino — would gather in Washington for an enormous demonstration. He called for $30 billion annually in antipoverty spending, and asked Congress to guarantee an income for each American. To many Americans, this sounded like socialist lunacy.


Dr. King spent his final days in Memphis, marching with striking sanitation workers. On March 28, 1968, some marchers behind him turned violent. His critics believed their argument had been proved — that Dr. King’s claims to nonviolence were so much pretense. When he was killed a week later, Senator Strom Thurmond, Republican of South Carolina, told an audience that Dr. King was “an outside agitator, bent on stirring people up.” Ronald Reagan, then governor of California, described Dr. King’s killing as a “great tragedy that began when we began compromising with law and order, and people started choosing which laws they’d break.”


But Dr. King’s legacy — the meaning of “Martin Luther King” in the popular mind — began to change as soon as the man himself left us. As groups like the Black Panthers and the Weathermen called for armed resistance, Dr. King’s peaceful methods looked more appealing. Many white Americans focused on one line of King’s “I Have a Dream” speech — that he longed for the day when his children would “not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character” — and molded him into a gentle champion of colorblindness.

The King holiday was both cause and effect of this selective appropriation. Congressman John Conyers, a Democrat from Michigan, first proposed a holiday bill in 1968, and he offered the legislation virtually every year thereafter. In 1983, it finally neared passage. Though Reagan, by then president, opposed the holiday, congressional Republicans realized that endorsing the bill could help to burnish their party’s civil rights bona fides. The House passed the legislation by a wide margin.


This article is obviously correct, but it's also true that popular opinion has changed on many of these issues. For example, Vietnam is now almost universally considered a mistake. And though some would still consider a base national annual salary "socialist lunacy", Americans are certainly much more open to such an idea now than they were at the time of King's death.


No, the article is incorrect. All of those supposedly scrubbed items would be acceptable today and have been since MLK Day came into existence. There is not a single big reveal by this author, who thought he was going to lay some shocking info on the masses.


I disagree. The point is, the equivalent of Donald Trump- or even me and you to be honest- wasn't talking about how great King was in 1970.


Exactly! Now even racist mention him in a positive light.

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I think anyone under the age of 45 grew up learning about the civil rights movement in school and he is treated very kindly in the text books. which I have no problem with.

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I'm no expert but hasn't history sort of chosen MLK as the face of the movement rather than the actual events as they were happening. Much like the Rosa Parks being incorrectly credited with the first "staying put on the bus", it was all about who was a better person to push the message instead of the realtime events.

Obviously I'm not nearly old enough to have witnessed the events but it sure seems like we see/read what people want us to vs what actually happened.

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Hindsight also allows a better understanding of what was actually happening.

But yeah, for scared white people he is a safer choice and message than some of the other messages even though those did have some validity too.

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Newburyport, Mass. — Every year on the third Monday of January, Americans of all races, backgrounds and ideologies celebrate the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He is rightly lionized and sanctified by whites as well as blacks, by Republicans as well as Democrats.

It is easy to forget that, until fairly recently, many white Americans loathed Dr. King. They perceived him as a rabble rouser and an agitator; some rejoiced in his assassination in April 1968. How they got from loathing to loving is less a story about growing tolerance and diminishing racism, and more about the ways that Dr. King’s legacy has been scrubbed and blunted.

The Dr. King we remember today is particularly at odds with his radical turn in his last years. In 1967 he denounced the Vietnam War and warned that America was courting “spiritual death.” In early 1968 he planned the Poor People’s Campaign, in which millions of impoverished Americans — black, white and Latino — would gather in Washington for an enormous demonstration. He called for $30 billion annually in antipoverty spending, and asked Congress to guarantee an income for each American. To many Americans, this sounded like socialist lunacy.


Dr. King spent his final days in Memphis, marching with striking sanitation workers. On March 28, 1968, some marchers behind him turned violent. His critics believed their argument had been proved — that Dr. King’s claims to nonviolence were so much pretense. When he was killed a week later, Senator Strom Thurmond, Republican of South Carolina, told an audience that Dr. King was “an outside agitator, bent on stirring people up.” Ronald Reagan, then governor of California, described Dr. King’s killing as a “great tragedy that began when we began compromising with law and order, and people started choosing which laws they’d break.”


But Dr. King’s legacy — the meaning of “Martin Luther King” in the popular mind — began to change as soon as the man himself left us. As groups like the Black Panthers and the Weathermen called for armed resistance, Dr. King’s peaceful methods looked more appealing. Many white Americans focused on one line of King’s “I Have a Dream” speech — that he longed for the day when his children would “not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character” — and molded him into a gentle champion of colorblindness.

The King holiday was both cause and effect of this selective appropriation. Congressman John Conyers, a Democrat from Michigan, first proposed a holiday bill in 1968, and he offered the legislation virtually every year thereafter. In 1983, it finally neared passage. Though Reagan, by then president, opposed the holiday, congressional Republicans realized that endorsing the bill could help to burnish their party’s civil rights bona fides. The House passed the legislation by a wide margin.


This article is obviously correct, but it's also true that popular opinion has changed on many of these issues. For example, Vietnam is now almost universally considered a mistake. And though some would still consider a base national annual salary "socialist lunacy", Americans are certainly much more open to such an idea now than they were at the time of King's death.


No, the article is incorrect. All of those supposedly scrubbed items would be acceptable today and have been since MLK Day came into existence. There is not a single big reveal by this author, who thought he was going to lay some shocking info on the masses.


I disagree. The point is, the equivalent of Donald Trump- or even me and you to be honest- wasn't talking about how great King was in 1970.


I most definitely was not

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