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We don't have to look at history. I said to keep it to the past 20 years and also look at the entire Senate and House, which is the closest to President you can get and look at the CURRENT demographics. This is a really simple debate. All the data points to one correct answer.
Almost all those people have no chance of being President.

It's obviously the closest analog to President to get more data for a better picture. But if you want to limit it to just Presidents you lose that way too. As I said earlier, you guys have yet to present any evidence outside of "Obama won twice" which is the equivalent of saying racism ended with a black president.
If you are already going down that road you clearly aren't interested in a response.

You're the one who seems to want to focus on one single election when there is a bigger picture to look at. That was the appropriate response.
The last 3 elections actually...

I predict the 2020 Democratic candidate is a woman or minority too.

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Look at the primary stage for both parties. There were like 24 (19 Repubs/5 Dems)? I recall one black guy, one Indian, and two women. The Hispanics are moving up the ladder, but they really are of the "white" variety from a racial perspective.

Once the current diversity of the country, white children are now below 50%, comes of age, I think the numbers will change drastically. But white males have significant advantages in this country. Hard to argue otherwise.

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He went wire to wire in the election.


If Hillary were a man in 2008 Obama would never have become president. He may have gotten a nice job in the administration or gotten on the ticket but he wouldn't have become president.


If, if, if...you and Coates can conjecture all you want and present it as fact, but the truth that played out does not support either of you


There is overwhelming evidence but you just choose to ignore it. Hillary got more votes than anyone in every election she was in but she lost the last 2. Imagine the outrage if that happened to Obama? We just told her to shutup and go away.



Now you just seem to be complaining about the long-established way presidential elections are run. Why should there be any outrage? And again, Obama defeated white men in every election. The only election he lost was to a black guy.


The point still stands. In politics especially but also in MANY other places it's white men >>>> black men >>>>>>>>women.

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He went wire to wire in the election.


If Hillary were a man in 2008 Obama would never have become president. He may have gotten a nice job in the administration or gotten on the ticket but he wouldn't have become president.


If, if, if...you and Coates can conjecture all you want and present it as fact, but the truth that played out does not support either of you


There is overwhelming evidence but you just choose to ignore it. Hillary got more votes than anyone in every election she was in but she lost the last 2. Imagine the outrage if that happened to Obama? We just told her to shutup and go away.


No, the overwhelming evidence is that white voters of every demographic but old people ran to Obama and have subsequently distanced themselves from other Dems. Not only did the vote for him, they donated and worked for him. All of this "high step to climb" as a candidate just does not bear out with objective evidence.

The people who didn't vote for him because he was black weren't going to vote for any Dem anyway, so nothing was lost due to race in the election.

I'm not blind to the obstacles to success argument generally in society, but it simply did not play out in either of Obama's presidential bids.

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"Obama won twice" which is the equivalent of saying racism ended with a black president.


I disagree with that. I don't think the fact a black man can be elected president says anything about racism ending. In fact, I think Obama's presidencies proved as much.



That is used far too often as the proverbial escape hatch. Obama had to be the non offensive black guy that denigrated blacks more often than he praised him. He couldn't address any racial issues without there being backlash.

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Nas wrote:
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He went wire to wire in the election.


If Hillary were a man in 2008 Obama would never have become president. He may have gotten a nice job in the administration or gotten on the ticket but he wouldn't have become president.


If, if, if...you and Coates can conjecture all you want and present it as fact, but the truth that played out does not support either of you


There is overwhelming evidence but you just choose to ignore it. Hillary got more votes than anyone in every election she was in but she lost the last 2. Imagine the outrage if that happened to Obama? We just told her to shutup and go away.



Now you just seem to be complaining about the long-established way presidential elections are run. Why should there be any outrage? And again, Obama defeated white men in every election. The only election he lost was to a black guy.


The point still stands. In politics especially but also in MANY other places it's white men >>>> black men >>>>>>>>women.


Maybe on the macro in the US. However, Obama built his momentum on the micro, first in a district in which only a black man could win, then in a state that was very receptive to a black man holding the Senate. At that point, he was in the club.

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"Obama won twice" which is the equivalent of saying racism ended with a black president.


I disagree with that. I don't think the fact a black man can be elected president says anything about racism ending. In fact, I think Obama's presidencies proved as much.



That is used far too often as the proverbial escape hatch. Obama had to be the non offensive black guy that denigrated blacks more often than he praised him. He couldn't address any racial issues without there being backlash.


Only a fool would blame Barack Obama for failing to end racism.

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Look at the primary stage for both parties. There were like 24 (19 Repubs/5 Dems)? I recall one black guy, one Indian, and two women. The Hispanics are moving up the ladder, but they really are of the "white" variety from a racial perspective.

Once the current diversity of the country, white children are now below 50%, comes of age, I think the numbers will change drastically. But white males have significant advantages in this country. Hard to argue otherwise.


This thread is moving too fast for me to know if you are talking about holding elected office or succeeding in society.

Politically, I think it is a pretty major development that the REPUBLICAN party had all that diversity in its candidates and that diversity was never really an issue.

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He had to work very hard to make the majority comfortable. He wasn't on an equal playing field as everyone else.


Doesn't every candidate? And don't you think that he enjoyed some advantages such as record African American support and some media cheerleading? I don't think being black proved to be an obstacle.


No disrespect but of course you don't think it was an obstacle. Many whites feel that way and you're wrong.


The you will never understand what it's like argument.
If you have some sort of primordial knowledge due to the accident of your heritage then there will always be a divide. I believe these divisions are of our own creating, and that if we really want to solve race issue this special status needs to go away as well. People can understand what it is like to be mistreated, bullied or overlooked. Is it exactly the same? Probably not, but to claim white people will never understand is putting this into the status of religion and original sin.


You can believe whatever you want. I'm sure it makes you feel good and sleep well at night but it's wrong. Talk to any successful minority and you'll more likely than not hear stories about how they had to work harder and overcome many more obstacles than a white man. Talk to successful women over 50 and you'll hear similar stories. This is reality. It's not groups of people pretending to be victims.


Stories of working hard don't change the argument, which has become an emotional one. Right now based on income figures, Asian Americans are the most successful group in the United States. If whites were this unified group looking to hold minorities down in the United States, how would this be the case? Should I not sleep well at night because I was born white, which means I have blood on my hands for sins that occurred before my lifespan?

If all black people feel like whites are going to pull the carpet out whenever they feel like it, it's so self-defeating that there will always be a racial divide. I am not sure what benchmark has to be reached to change this perception. A black man was elected president, yet that is being discredited because he "made people comfortable".

I don't think that the accident of my heritage provides me with any special insight into past sins, and we seem to be venturing into a realm past "equality" whatever that means. Would reparations make things better? I honestly do not know because the goalposts keep moving.



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What blacks ask for isn't necessarily equal playing field. They want an equal opportunity. Currently their isn't one existent.


Isn't the election of President Obama some sort of proof equal opportunity exists?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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"Obama won twice" which is the equivalent of saying racism ended with a black president.


I disagree with that. I don't think the fact a black man can be elected president says anything about racism ending. In fact, I think Obama's presidencies proved as much.



That is used far too often as the proverbial escape hatch. Obama had to be the non offensive black guy that denigrated blacks more often than he praised him. He couldn't address any racial issues without there being backlash.


Only a fool would blame Barack Obama for failing to end racism.



No one was expecting him too. You are missing the point. He had to go out of his way to not perpetuate the divide. Lets contrast that with Trump. Did he have to do that?

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Maybe I am just misunderstanding the Coates argument. If he is talking about increased difficulties from the point of Obama's birth, I could be on board with the argument. If he is talking about increased headwinds from the point he announced his candidacy, well, I think he is imposing his societal perceptions on the analysis rather than reviewing the objective data.

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long time guy wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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"Obama won twice" which is the equivalent of saying racism ended with a black president.


I disagree with that. I don't think the fact a black man can be elected president says anything about racism ending. In fact, I think Obama's presidencies proved as much.



That is used far too often as the proverbial escape hatch. Obama had to be the non offensive black guy that denigrated blacks more often than he praised him. He couldn't address any racial issues without there being backlash.


Only a fool would blame Barack Obama for failing to end racism.



No one was expecting him too. You are missing the point. He had to go out of his way to not perpetuate the divide. Lets contrast that with Trump. Did he have to do that?


I don't know this for sure and I don't know if anyone has analyzed from this perspective but it sure seems like from the demographic breakdown that there several of the same people voted for Obama AND Trump.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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"Obama won twice" which is the equivalent of saying racism ended with a black president.


I disagree with that. I don't think the fact a black man can be elected president says anything about racism ending. In fact, I think Obama's presidencies proved as much.



That is used far too often as the proverbial escape hatch. Obama had to be the non offensive black guy that denigrated blacks more often than he praised him. He couldn't address any racial issues without there being backlash.


Only a fool would blame Barack Obama for failing to end racism.



No one was expecting him too. You are missing the point. He had to go out of his way to not perpetuate the divide. Lets contrast that with Trump. Did he have to do that?


I don't know this for sure and I don't know if anyone has analyzed from this perspective but it sure seems like from the demographic breakdown that there several of the same people voted for Obama AND Trump.



Trump should have been immediately disqualified for all of the offensive statements that he made. Obama would not have been given that benefit. He would have been termed a "race baiter". He was termed that without ever really discussing race. Trump was able to denigrate and stereotype entire groups without it being detrimental. If that isn't an example of privilege I don't know what is.

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Trump should have been immediately disqualified for all of the offensive statements that he made. Obama would not have been given that benefit. He would have been termed a "race baiter". He was termed that without ever really discussing race. Trump was able to denigrate and stereotype entire groups without it being detrimental. If that isn't an example of privilege I don't know what is.


Non responsive to my post.

Also, Trump privilege does not equal enhanced difficulty for Obama. Trump had privilege over everyone. Jeb is as privileged as they come and Trump had privilege over him

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Trump should have been immediately disqualified for all of the offensive statements that he made. Obama would not have been given that benefit. He would have been termed a "race baiter". He was termed that without ever really discussing race. Trump was able to denigrate and stereotype entire groups without it being detrimental. If that isn't an example of privilege I don't know what is.


Non responsive to my post.

Also, Trump privilege does not equal enhanced difficulty for Obama. Trump had privilege over everyone. Jeb is as privileged as they come and Trump had privilege over him



Yeah, not many people could have done it the way Trump did successfully. It's not like he showed up rich and white and America said, "Hey! Our next president!" In fact, most people thought he was a joke right up until the results came in from Michigan.

That big hillbilly who ran his social media knew what to do with Twitter and Facebook.

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Why does MLK get his own day while Lincoln and Washington are forced to share a day?

Alabama is currently one of only three states that observe a combined Martin Luther King Jr./Robert E. Lee holiday.
Arkansas, Alabama and Mississippi are the only states that still combine the two days as part of their official celebrations.

At least Lincoln isn't sharing a day with John Wilkes Booth.

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Why does MLK get his own day while Lincoln and Washington are forced to share a day?

Alabama is currently one of only three states that observe a combined Martin Luther King Jr./Robert E. Lee holiday.
Arkansas, Alabama and Mississippi are the only states that still combine the two days as part of their official celebrations.

At least Lincoln isn't sharing a day with John Wilkes Booth.


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Trump should have been immediately disqualified for all of the offensive statements that he made. Obama would not have been given that benefit. He would have been termed a "race baiter". He was termed that without ever really discussing race. Trump was able to denigrate and stereotype entire groups without it being detrimental. If that isn't an example of privilege I don't know what is.


Non responsive to my post.

Also, Trump privilege does not equal enhanced difficulty for Obama. Trump had privilege over everyone. Jeb is as privileged as they come and Trump had privilege over him



Yeah, not many people could have done it the way Trump did successfully. It's not like he showed up rich and white and America said, "Hey! Our next president!" In fact, most people thought he was a joke right up until the results came in from Michigan.

That big hillbilly who ran his social media knew what to do with Twitter and Facebook.


but even before all of this, Trump had board games named after him, popular TV shows centered around him, bestselling books written about him, all of which had been present for 30 years

How many great candidates have we seen over the years who fell by the wayside simply because they could not get their message out to the people? That was never an issue with Trump.

Trump=Success (or at least financial prosperity) has been imbedded on people's minds since I was a teenager.

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Trump should have been immediately disqualified for all of the offensive statements that he made. Obama would not have been given that benefit. He would have been termed a "race baiter". He was termed that without ever really discussing race. Trump was able to denigrate and stereotype entire groups without it being detrimental. If that isn't an example of privilege I don't know what is.


Non responsive to my post.

Also, Trump privilege does not equal enhanced difficulty for Obama. Trump had privilege over everyone. Jeb is as privileged as they come and Trump had privilege over him



Yeah, not many people could have done it the way Trump did successfully. It's not like he showed up rich and white and America said, "Hey! Our next president!" In fact, most people thought he was a joke right up until the results came in from Michigan.

That big hillbilly who ran his social media knew what to do with Twitter and Facebook.


but even before all of this, Trump had board games named after him, popular TV shows centered around him, bestselling books written about him, all of which had been present for 30 years

How many great candidates have we seen over the years who fell by the wayside simply because they could not get their message out to the people? That was never an issue with Trump.

Trump=Success (or at least financial prosperity) has been imbedded on people's minds since I was a teenager.


Yes, he obviously had name recognition.

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What blacks ask for isn't necessarily equal playing field. They want an equal opportunity. Currently their isn't one existent. Yes Obama was elected but if contrast the campaign he ran versus the campaign Trump ran you see where the disparity truly exists. Obama had to be the non offending black guy. Obama was handcuffed by his race. Trump wasn't. Trump could be as divisive as he wanted to be and it still wasn't offensive to disqualify him.

When you talk about the successful level of other minority groups there is validity but it isn't necessarily overriding. Blacks have the stigma of skin color if a person really wants to term it as such. They don't have the luxury of simply changing their name as a means of assimilating (As the Trumps have done).

Is it really any accident that only black neighborhoods in Chicago are ghettos? You'd be hard pressed to find a white ghetto anywhere in this city. Do you think black unemployment is simply related to black laziness?

When people talk about Prison Reform the first place they should start is the archaic felony laws which prevent you from working if you have a felony.


I don't think an Asian man can change his name to Mr. Smith and assimilate. That was the example I used. Not white guys changing their name.

Black unemployment is due to decreased economic opportunity across the board for people of a certain education/skills level. I don't know what you are saying about ghettos in Chicago. There are plenty of white ghettos across the state as well. Check out places like Farmer City, Illinois. The downtown is two bars and a bunch of boarded up buildings.

Obama not winning like Trump proves what? I don't know of anyone who could have won like Trump did. I think you are too quick to dismiss the election of a black man. It does not mean that black families all have equal opportunity, but race is certainly less important now than education and income level. A black man who went to Harvard has a much better chance of success than a white guy who got an associates from College of Dupage.

I am in total agreement about the felonies.

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Check out places like Farmer City, Illinois. The downtown is two bars and a bunch of boarded up buildings.


And it's been tough on the local economy since leash moved up to Naperville.

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First president in history with ZERO political experience.


Eisenhower, Hoover, Grant and Taylor.

Oops.


Except he was wrong. Oops


I wasn't wrong though. None of those people ever held a elected office prior to being president. They certainly had better governmental bona fides than Trump but they were not politicians prior to deciding to run for president.

I suppose if you want, we can remove Hoover from the list since he was a non elected cabinet member.

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First president in history with ZERO political experience.


Eisenhower, Hoover, Grant and Taylor.

Oops.


Except he was wrong. Oops


I wasn't wrong though. None of those people ever held a elected office prior to being president. They certainly had better governmental bona fides than Trump but they were not politicians prior to deciding to run for president.

I suppose if you want, we can remove Hoover from the list since he was a non elected cabinet member.


I don't think Woodrow Wilson held office either. He would probably be the best Obama comparable.

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Is it really any accident that only black neighborhoods in Chicago are ghettos? You'd be hard pressed to find a white ghetto anywhere in this city. .


This is wrong but I get the impression this is a popularly held belief by some and an unexpressed cornerstone of those who believe in white privilege.

I guess, in a way, a majority could never be part of a ghetto by definition but the spirit of what you are saying isn't true. Douchebag central Wrigleyville was a white economic ghetto in the not too distant past before it became a drunk frat boy ghetto

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What blacks ask for isn't necessarily equal playing field. They want an equal opportunity. Currently their isn't one existent. Yes Obama was elected but if contrast the campaign he ran versus the campaign Trump ran you see where the disparity truly exists. Obama had to be the non offending black guy. Obama was handcuffed by his race. Trump wasn't. Trump could be as divisive as he wanted to be and it still wasn't offensive to disqualify him.

When you talk about the successful level of other minority groups there is validity but it isn't necessarily overriding. Blacks have the stigma of skin color if a person really wants to term it as such. They don't have the luxury of simply changing their name as a means of assimilating (As the Trumps have done).

Is it really any accident that only black neighborhoods in Chicago are ghettos? You'd be hard pressed to find a white ghetto anywhere in this city. Do you think black unemployment is simply related to black laziness?

When people talk about Prison Reform the first place they should start is the archaic felony laws which prevent you from working if you have a felony.


I don't think an Asian man can change his name to Mr. Smith and assimilate. That was the example I used. Not white guys changing their name.

Black unemployment is due to decreased economic opportunity across the board for people of a certain education/skills level. I don't know what you are saying about ghettos in Chicago. There are plenty of white ghettos across the state as well. Check out places like Farmer City, Illinois. The downtown is two bars and a bunch of boarded up buildings.

Obama not winning like Trump proves what? I don't know of anyone who could have won like Trump did. I think you are too quick to dismiss the election of a black man. It does not mean that black families all have equal opportunity, but race is certainly less important now than education and income level. A black man who went to Harvard has a much better chance of success than a white guy who got an associates from College of Dupage.

I am in total agreement about the felonies.


Black unemployment has historically been 2 or 3 times that of whites. It has been the case even when the education levels are comparable. Even now blacks lag whites when you factor in the unskilled labor numbers. I use Chicago as a prime example because the numbers for blacks Hispanics and Whites are similar in terms of population. about 30% each way. The only ghetto areas to be found are in black and hispanic neighborhoods.


Education lags because of social and economic circumstances that are dire. SOme rise above most don't. We can make it about hard work all we want but most wealth in this country is inherited. Trump didn't rise because of his own greatness.

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Is it really any accident that only black neighborhoods in Chicago are ghettos? You'd be hard pressed to find a white ghetto anywhere in this city. .


This is wrong but I get the impression this is a popularly held belief by some and an unexpressed cornerstone of those who believe in white privilege.



Where Canaryville? I'm sure there are pockets here and there but it is no comparison.

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First president in history with ZERO political experience.


Eisenhower, Hoover, Grant and Taylor.

Oops.


Except he was wrong. Oops


I wasn't wrong though. None of those people ever held a elected office prior to being president. They certainly had better governmental bona fides than Trump but they were not politicians prior to deciding to run for president.

I suppose if you want, we can remove Hoover from the list since he was a non elected cabinet member.


I don't think Woodrow Wilson held office either. He would probably be the best Obama comparable.


He was briefly the Governor of New Jersey.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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First president in history with ZERO political experience.


Eisenhower, Hoover, Grant and Taylor.

Oops.


Except he was wrong. Oops


I wasn't wrong though. None of those people ever held a elected office prior to being president. They certainly had better governmental bona fides than Trump but they were not politicians prior to deciding to run for president.

I suppose if you want, we can remove Hoover from the list since he was a non elected cabinet member.


Only if we want to pretend a general isn't a political position.

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Is it really any accident that only black neighborhoods in Chicago are ghettos? You'd be hard pressed to find a white ghetto anywhere in this city. .


This is wrong but I get the impression this is a popularly held belief by some and an unexpressed cornerstone of those who believe in white privilege.



Where Canaryville? I'm sure there are pockets here and there but it is no comparison.


Rogers Park probably fits the definition, probably Uptown (although it has become a sexual persuasion ghetto), maybe Albany Park although it is also Hispanic, add in anywhere immigrants live if you want to include them (although they are distinguishable)

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