Well as we are seeing with these Quintana talks where the involved teams seem very hesitant to deal their blue chip position players orgs are much, much more covetous of their bats than their arms. The Sox have acquired three of the best five minor league pitchers in the game plus the presumptive #1 overall prospect in baseball because they were willing to bet against what is prevailing wisdom around the league. Whatever the position player equivalents to Lucas Giolito, Reynaldo Lopez (watch this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZuF1UH5M-o) and a '16 first rounder are on the prospect ladder would definitely have not been available for sub-800 OPS Adam Eaton.

Dan Bernstein calls this a market inefficiency. I think the Sox are just betting on their strengths and happened to get lucky with a desperate trade partner and a climate that has perhaps devalued young arms a bit too much.

I read in some article during the winter meetings that the talk of the convention was long range planning for the 2018 free agent class. Teams are trying to ensure that their decisions over the next two years is informed by a need to maximize money available post 2018 season.

I had originally thought the Sox would retool quickly and be ready to compete in 2018. I think their time frame is 2019, with these prospects all being on line by then accompanied by a big splash in the FA market.

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More like 2020 or 2021. MANY of these guys are more than a year away from the big leagues.

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They will be a year early.

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You need to re check your ETA. Moncada, Giolitto and Lopez all spent time in MLB last year. All should be back in the minors in 2017 if only so the organization can fully evaluate them. However, it would be unusual if they didn't have September call ups and then 2018 roster spots. I believe Kopech also has a 2018 ETA according to prospect tracking at MLB.

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Especially since there are only 32 teams, so starting for 31/32 is not even 97%.

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You wont see any of them until at least June.

Lopez will probably be the first one, especially if Holland or Migo are dealt. I dont expect Moncada until around the ASB. You might not see Giolito this year and I caution against taking his numbers too seriously until about midseason, Sox have to undo a lot of damage the Nationals have wrought upon his mechanics and it could be ugly. He could be a 2018 arrival along with Kopech.

I don't want any of them until May 2018, except in September

Once Quintana is traded, I have no hope for this season

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I think there's a good chance at least one of the Washington pitchers is in the rotation on Opening Day.

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They sure as shit better not be. That would be the anti rebuild move. Why retard development in a year where fans are already conditioned to expect nothing?

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They wont do that for control purposes. They all achieve super 2 at different times in May and that is absolutely earliest you'll see any of them.

Okay, I wasn't sure of their status. Obviously, they'll keep them down until then, but I think you'll see at least one of them that soon.

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you never know what Sox will do. Could be 2000 fans on a Saturday afternoon and they decide to make some news.

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1. Somebody has to pitch the games.
2. Lopez for certain has shown he can be competitive at the big league level. I don't think he needs a full year at Charlotte. As long as he goes every five days for the Sox he'll develop just fine.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Rey Lopez has only 33 IP at AAA.

He'll probably still be the first one up but its not like he's got nothing left to prove at Charlotte.

No, but he's ready for the majors. It's not like there's going to be high pressure situations in Chicago 2017.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I'm impressed with Hahn holding his ground but at the same time, I want to see a trade

I'm kind of surprised talks on Robertson have slowed. Hahn must be asking for a great return on him as well

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I doubt anyone gets moved before the Q situation gets resolved. And I'm with you, its time for a trade.

SoxFest


I remember when I was going. Friday night, and the Sox sign Kenny Lofton.....

I went to Soxfest once. Never again. It's like going to Great America on its busiest day but without the rides

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Where else can you overhear Brian Anderson debating with Brandon McCarthy over which groupies they should bang?

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I think the Sox are going to blow this opportunity.

Why do they have to trade Q? And why do they have to trade him now?

Barring some sort of crazy events, the Sox are not going to be in playoff contention this year, so they could easily move Q mid season...perhaps even getting more for him at the trade deadline.

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Still think they are masking this as a rebuild. Kenny in full control.

Kenny: Hahn, trade Sale and Eaton!

Hahn: Ok...

You could be right, Sale n Eaton were the " trouble makers" in Kenny's eyes.

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Why? I think they are holding out for the best possible deal. Time is on their side here.

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It's really starting to make me nervous that Robertson, Frazier and Cabrera haven't been moved and Shields hasn't been released/shot. There is no reason for any of them to be on the team come opening day.

Who do you want to throw the innings? Shields is going to be on the team and will probably be their second best starter.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I can not stop laughing at this. Not because it is funny, because it is sad.

Wouldn't ya rather have AA and AAA guys eat innings over a known ( garbage) bum like Shields?

The Shields trade was a fire able offense IMO

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