Thanks for the concession. At least you recognized you were starting an argument you can't win.

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That post doesn't say "RR cannot be a liar". What's your education level?

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I'm still waiting on this mountain of facts and evidence I was promised and so far all I've gotten is a single statistic that I can find in 3 seconds on Google.

So...localized peaks are nothing to be concerned about, is that right? Thank God. I was starting to worry about the 58% increase in the Chicago homicide rate this year from last, but since overall, the homicide rate is at a relative historical low, it's basically like nobody is dying at all!

I was similarly beginning to harbor concern over the sharp increase in ambush-style attacks on police (131% this year from last), as well as the overall total of police killed by firearms in the line of duty (63 [I assume the org counting the data included the guy who shot himself to cover embezzlement, so I subtracted 1]) is the 3rd-most in the last decade, but thank you for quelling that concern by comparing this current climate to turn-of-the-century constables!

A highly educated guy such as yourself should know that, being that you made the initial assertion that anti police rhetoric is putting police in more danger, you are the one obligated to support that assertion. I'm simply telling you it's not true and said I can back up my opinion with evidence and you cannot do the same.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/d ... oting.html

Lets start with you refuting this.

This is the rundown: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/14/us/police ... ationwide/

2016 was higher than average, but it was not so high that it was an outlier.

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We already mentioned this. Yes, there are times in the last year or two where police have been targeted specifically because they are police and/or white. I've never said that doesn't happen. I'm saying that despite those cases, police are not in any more danger now than before. I realize comprehension isn't a strength of yours like lying and stealing though.

It also doesn't help your narrative that Black Lives Matters and other black advocacy groups all blacklisted this guy from their membership.

Keep trying though. It's funny to see you so confident yet struggling so much.

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Guys, guys, don't worry about climate change. No need for it. Sure, temperatures may be going up, but on a geological time scale, the planet is MUCH cooler and more life-hospitable than it ever has been.

What ultimate point are you trying to make here? Just come out and say it. Is it your assertion that America is right, that police are in more danger now and specifically they are in more danger because of the widespread criticism of them shooting and killing unarmed people? Should we ignore such stories when they come to light as to protect police officers?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Those poor police officers have it so hard.

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You and I are culpable for police being killed since we have the audacity to be against them killing unarmed civilians.

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Black people and the black community are also responsible for crimes committed by blacks. I love how that happens.

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Murders are up almost 25 percent. So it stands to reason that police officers killed in the line of duty would be up as well. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/u- ... r-in-2016/

More violent encounters.

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How about you actually respond to one of his posts where he tears your bullshit assertion that police are safely going about their normal day-to-day just like always to shreds? This post is just nonsense where you rely on him not wanting to be associated with me to hopefully persuade him to take his foot off your throat.

You keep hiding behind that one statistic and JLN has repeatedly added modern context that clearly makes your simplistic "DUH ONE NUMBER SMALLER THAN OTHER NUMBER" caveman argument look meaningless.

The community did a great job assisting investigators when that child was murdered because of his father's gang involvement. Oh wait nvm nobody said anything (including the father himself!) and CPD had to break the case using other means. The community decided to shield this lovely guy (https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2016030 ... tated-city) rather than help police apprehend a child killer.

Despite the CPD's obvious hatred of blacks and refusal to investigate murders of blacks they still cracked the case and he'll spend the rest of his life behind bars.

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2015111 ... ff-sources

You really are a child. I'll wait for JLN to respond. He's much better than you at this.

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The community definitely didn't help the police find him. Somehow everyone told everyone else except the police who was responsible. You're right though. All blacks and the black community are responsible.

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He's full of knowledge and love.

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My guess is you are not so glib and sarcastic when you recount an officer-involved shooting.

No doubt about it. Once again you are correct. I always blame the police and I hate them. We all feel this way.

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I thought I did that: Arguing about the historical "safety" of policing as a way to marginalize people identifying dangers in modern contexts is disingenuous. It leads you to ignore localized trends and maximums--even telling anecdotes--in favor of simpler statistics that so happen to conform to your worldview. The best analogy I can think of is JORR steadfastly clutching to "pitching wins" as a demonstrator of pitching ability in the face of FIP, SIERA, etc.



I don't know, maybe. It depends on how you quantify "danger" (like how you quantify "pitching ability"). Overall death rates, death-by-firearm rates, and multiple-shooting death incidents are all trying to quantify the same thing (danger), using the same resolution (death). Overall death rates can tell us one thing, but so can firearm rates, multiple-shooting rates, etc. Harping on overall death rates may indeed be behind the times, as you cannot say for absolute certain what else is rolled up into the statistic for which you are arguing. Is it that people are shooting at police less and less? Maybe. Could it also be that police aren't as likely to die in car accidents or from a fall chasing a suspect, but still are just as likely (at least) to get shot at and much more likely to be shot at simply for being police (and/or white)? It could be, but both of those scenarios result in the same thing (fewer police deaths), while one looks to be decidedly less dangerous than the other.



I don't know, I wouldn't think so. But I would say a product of the widespread criticism, or at least a product of some of the tactics of critiquing, is a general dehumanization of police officers, almost into some kind of Oakley-wearing death machines, that may result in the people of the group (BLM, society, whatever) with more homicidal or sociopathic tendencies turning their ire towards police officers. Perhaps similar to the way radicalized Wahhabism preys on those that could take innocent life and likely turns them into those that will take innocent life.



I don't think so. Just in the way we shouldn't marginalize stories of radicalized people carrying out plans to murder police officers for being police officers.

I looked into the "5 year high" statistic. It should be pointed out that it includes all on the job related deaths. That includes a 10% increase in traffic related deaths. Also, the number in 2015 was pretty much at the 10 year average. The thing is that we had 5 years of statistically low police deaths. It wasn't really a spike. It was more of a return to the average and this is with all the "incidents" that JLN has mentioned that would actually be considered outliers given the rarity of mass police targeted attacks.

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63 were shot and killed in 2016
39 were shot and killed in 2015

random chance.

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We've also seen the most multiple-shooting deaths of police officers since 1932, tied with 1971. Eight instances of multiple officers being shot and killed, resulting in 20 deaths.

Which means the number this year is most likely an anomaly just like 2001 officers deaths wasn't representative.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/30/507536360/number-of-police-officers-killed-by-firearms-rose-in-2016-study-finds

I think everyone knows that being a police officer is a dangerous job. It is however not nearly as dangerous as many people think and it is pretty much the safest time in decades to be a police officer.

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What caused the spike in 2016 is no less of a mystery than what caused the spike in 2001.

No one said it was a mystery.

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