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The thing I love is that the lefties are screaming about how she didn't go to a public school, therefore, she can't be qualified for this position (see the image posted in the original post). On the other hand, the right said, "Here's Ben Carson - he actually lived in public housing." And the left said, "NOBODY GIVES A RAT'S ASS THAT DOESN'T MATTER YOU BIGOT."

Can't have it both ways.


None of these things were said.

Sure were.


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The thing I love is that the lefties are screaming about how she didn't go to a public school, therefore, she can't be qualified for this position (see the image posted in the original post). On the other hand, the right said, "Here's Ben Carson - he actually lived in public housing." And the left said, "NOBODY GIVES A RAT'S ASS THAT DOESN'T MATTER YOU BIGOT."

Can't have it both ways.


None of these things were said.

Sure were.


No Chris, they weren't.


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I guess our schools are fine. Problem solved.

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I guess our schools are fine. Problem solved.


glad we solved that problem and we can do more mythbusting.

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I guess our schools are fine. Problem solved.


My (public) schools are fine. So I'm good.


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I guess our schools are fine. Problem solved.


glad we solved that problem and we can do more mythbusting.


I'm just glad we solved it before that crazy DeVos takes over....

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I guess our schools are fine. Problem solved.

A large majority of schools are fine.

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I guess our schools are fine. Problem solved.

A large majority of schools are fine.


And Betsy DeVos is a nutty zealot, probably as bad as her brother Erik Prince is/was

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It's very scary when these hardcore Christian Reformed evangelicals get into important cabinet positions. She literally believes the advancement of private "Christian" reformed schools at the expense of public education is the "will of God". When people operate under this edict, there is no compromise.


Aren't charters usually non-religious? Maybe I am completely off base. You may be thinking of a voucher system where kids can use those for any type of private schools. I dunno anymore...maybe Leash can recommend a good bartending school for me.


I'm not sure, but outside of charter schools I know another agenda item of hers is doing whatever is best for private/religious based schools.


I was going to ask you after your first post if this was something she said or your feeling because evangelicals scare you? Now after reading your second post you say you are sure that you know her agenda. Can we please have a link or something?

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I guess our schools are fine. Problem solved.

A large majority of schools are fine.


Then why is every politician on either side jumping all over each other to pledge to improve them?

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AHHHHH people i've never heard of are being appointed to cabinet positions i never heard of AHHHHHHHH!

is all i've been hearing since its started.

If i had to guess many of these cabinet positions could be filled with walmart greeters and we'd generally be just fine based on past history.


You think people don't know who the DeVos family is? You think people don't know what the Department of Education is?

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I guess our schools are fine. Problem solved.

A large majority of schools are fine.


Then why is every politician on either side jumping all over each other to pledge to improve them?

Because politicians tend to be whores for power and $.

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I guess our schools are fine. Problem solved.

A large majority of schools are fine.


Then why is every politician on either side jumping all over each other to pledge to improve them?

It sounds good.

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The thing I love is that the lefties are screaming about how she didn't go to a public school, therefore, she can't be qualified for this position (see the image posted in the original post). On the other hand, the right said, "Here's Ben Carson - he actually lived in public housing." And the left said, "NOBODY GIVES A RAT'S ASS THAT DOESN'T MATTER YOU BIGOT."

Can't have it both ways.


None of these things were said.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I guess our schools are fine. Problem solved.

A large majority of schools are fine.


And Betsy DeVos is a nutty zealot, probably as bad as her brother Erik Prince is/was

Holy shit. That's her brother? Not good. Seriously, not fucking good at all.

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The thing I love is that the lefties are screaming about how she didn't go to a public school, therefore, she can't be qualified for this position (see the image posted in the original post). On the other hand, the right said, "Here's Ben Carson - he actually lived in public housing." And the left said, "NOBODY GIVES A RAT'S ASS THAT DOESN'T MATTER YOU BIGOT."

Can't have it both ways.


http://fox40.com/2016/12/06/ben-carson- ... c-housing/

(CNN) — Some supporters of President-elect Donald Trump have praised his choice of Ben Carson to lead the Department of Housing and Urban Development, noting that the retired neurosurgeon had lived in public housing himself.

Except he didn’t.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, in an attack on House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi Monday, inaccurately claimed that Carson lived in “government housing.”

“Ben Carson is first HUD Sec to have actually lived in gov’t housing. Fancy Nancy Pelosi says he’s not qualified; is she racist or just dumb,” Huckabee tweeted.

The New York Times issued a correction Monday after saying that Carson aide Armstrong Williams originally told the paper that Carson was raised in public housing.

“Using information from a close friend of Ben Carson, the nominee for housing secretary, an earlier version of this article misstated that Mr. Carson spent part of his childhood in public housing,” the Times wrote. “The friend, Armstrong Williams, said Monday that Mr. Carson had never lived in government housing.”

Carson has said he was raised “in the ghetto” and “in dire poverty.”

“Dr. Carson’s mother worked 3 jobs at a time to keep them out of public housing, but he grew up around many who utilized housing programs,” Williams tweeted Monday.


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Holy shit. That's her brother? Not good. Seriously, not fucking good at all.


Total alpha male. It's cool.


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“Dr. Carson’s mother worked 3 jobs at a time to keep them out of public housing, but he grew up around many who utilized housing programs,” Williams tweeted Monday.

Oh yea, i grew up near an electrician so I should be President of the Union


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Holy shit. That's her brother? Not good. Seriously, not fucking good at all.


Total alpha male. It's cool.

Where's the line between alpha male and leader of mass murdering, Geneva convention ignoring, mercenary organization?

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AHHHHH people i've never heard of are being appointed to cabinet positions i never heard of AHHHHHHHH!

is all i've been hearing since its started.

If i had to guess many of these cabinet positions could be filled with walmart greeters and we'd generally be just fine based on past history.


You think people don't know who the DeVos family is? You think people don't know what the Department of Education is?


I think this is where he says he is just trolling.

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Holy shit. That's her brother? Not good. Seriously, not fucking good at all.


Total alpha male. It's cool.

Where's the line between alpha male and leader of mass murdering, Geneva convention ignoring, mercenary organization?


At the moment, it's fluid.


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Holy shit. That's her brother? Not good. Seriously, not fucking good at all.


Total alpha male. It's cool.

Where's the line between alpha male and leader of mass murdering, Geneva convention ignoring, mercenary organization?

Well maybe Peter Daou knows.

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Betsy DeVos apparently ‘confused’ about federal law protecting students with disabilities
By Valerie Strauss January 17 at 10:10 PM


Betsy DeVos displayed at best confusion and at worst a lack of knowledge about a key federal law involving students with disabilities during her Tuesday confirmation hearing before a Senate panel that will vote on whether she should become President-elect Donald Trump’s education secretary.

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) asked DeVos about the federal Individuals With Disabilities Education Act (IDEA), which requires public schools to provide children with disabilities a “free appropriate public education” and governs how states and public agencies provide various services to millions of students.

Kaine asked her if she believes that all schools that receive federal funding — whether public, public charter or private — should be required to meet the requirements of IDEA.

She responded: “I think they already are.”

Kaine: “But I’m asking you a should question. Whether they are or not, we’ll get into that later.” He then repeated his question.

DeVos said: “I think that is a matter that is best left to the states.”

Kaine responded: “So some states might be good to kids with disabilities and other states might not be so good and, what then, people can just move around the country if they don’t like how kids are being treated?”

Devos repeated: “I think that’s an issue that’s best left to the states.”

Kaine said: “What about the federal requirement? It’s a federal law, the Individuals With Disabilities Education Act,” and he repeated his question.

DeVos began speaking about a Florida voucher program for students with disabilities that requires students to sign away their IDEA due process rights.

Kaine interrupted her saying, “Just yes or no.” But she continued, saying many parents are happy with the program. Kaine persisted: “I think all schools that receive federal funding — public, public charter, private — should be required to meet the conditions” of IDEA. He asked if she agreed.

DeVos said: “I think that is certainly worth discussion.”

Kaine interrupted her saying, “So you cannot yet agree with me.”

And he moved on to another subject, on which they didn’t agree.

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Charters are not the answer. They try to couch it under the guise of school choice as a means of avoiding ever having to discuss how bad the vast majority of them happen to be.

Affluent neighborhoods want no part of them. They are pushed on impoverished neighborhoods primarily. Politicians know that they won't get much push back from parents. There is no way that anyone can make the argument that students will receive a better education by sending their kids to charters. Most of the teachers are uncertified and a number haven't a clue as to what they are teaching.

Charters seek to bust unions and depress wages.


Charters are great for lining the pockets of their owners. It's about getting as many kids and possible onto the rosters, while paying teachers as close to minimum wage as possible.

One dirty charter school secret is that many students simple do not show up. I new of kids who would just leave for a month or two. If the school reports them as truant then it's a kid off the roster and their are no fees. So there were many immigrant families who enrolled kids, then would return to their countries for months.

Really a bizarre arrangement that mixes the worst parts of privatization and public. The charter school kids are drilled in state testing though.


Most charter schools are awful. A couple of the Noble Schools are fine. IIRC Rauner's is one of the few good ones.

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I don't know. Just this week Fenwick played at Simeon and I read an article about how suburban school almost never play in Public League gyms. (I don't really consider Fenwick "suburban", though it technically is.) Both Smith and Malnati were acting like it was a special thing. I know Nas went to Simeon. I'm curious to know if he felt it was dangerous to go to school each day.


You're not afraid of something you understand. Me and a few other people had a gun pulled out on us while waiting for a bus after football practice. They robbed us of our Hostess cakes. Young and stupid Nas was so hungry he snatched his stuff back. I always felt safe at school but there were some times early on that I didn't feel comfortable catching the bus late after whatever practice.

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I don't know. Just this week Fenwick played at Simeon and I read an article about how suburban school almost never play in Public League gyms. (I don't really consider Fenwick "suburban", though it technically is.) Both Smith and Malnati were acting like it was a special thing. I know Nas went to Simeon. I'm curious to know if he felt it was dangerous to go to school each day.


You're not afraid of something you understand. Me and a few other people had a gun pulled out on us while waiting for a bus after football practice. They robbed us of our Hostess cakes. Young and stupid Nas was so hungry he snatched his stuff back. I always felt safe at school but there were some times early on that I didn't feel comfortable catching the bus late after whatever practice.


Yeah, that's what I mean. And even more than that, it's hard to think of a place where you grew up or where you live as being "shitty" or "dangerous". Every Monday I get the paper and read about crime and shootings near Devon and Western. But I walk down Devon all the time and it NEVER occurs to me that I might get shot.

In the summertime there's an open drug market on Howard near Damen that's as brazen as anything depicted in The Wire. Now, I love Howard Street. As a kid, it represented all the grit of the city, everything that was exciting in the world. I've never been frightened on Howard Street. We used to get older guys to buy beer for us at Buy-Low when we were teenagers and I had my first legal drink at the Tally-Ho.

But I know crime and murder rates on the eastern stretch of Howard are among the worst in the City. They're trying to gentrify it, which I know won't work. Rogers Park refuses to be gentrified. Anyway, there are a couple of fancy cocktail bars on the Evanston side that got some breaks to move in there. One night I was going for a drink at one of them with a couple suburban guys and I parked on a side street. I could see that my friends were nervous, as I guess you can tell this is a place where someone might shoot you. I just can't see it that way though.

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I don't know. Just this week Fenwick played at Simeon and I read an article about how suburban school almost never play in Public League gyms. (I don't really consider Fenwick "suburban", though it technically is.) Both Smith and Malnati were acting like it was a special thing. I know Nas went to Simeon. I'm curious to know if he felt it was dangerous to go to school each day.


You're not afraid of something you understand. Me and a few other people had a gun pulled out on us while waiting for a bus after football practice. They robbed us of our Hostess cakes. Young and stupid Nas was so hungry he snatched his stuff back. I always felt safe at school but there were some times early on that I didn't feel comfortable catching the bus late after whatever practice.


Yeah, that's what I mean. And even more than that, it's hard to think of a place where you grew up or where you live as being "shitty" or "dangerous". Every Monday I get the paper and read about crime and shootings near Devon and Western. But I walk down Devon all the time and it NEVER occurs to me that I might get shot.

In the summertime there's an open drug market on Howard near Damen that's as brazen as anything depicted in The Wire. Now, I love Howard Street. As a kid, it represented all the grit of the city, everything that was exciting in the world. I've never been frightened on Howard Street. We used to get older guys to buy beer for us at Buy-Low when we were teenagers and I had my first legal drink at the Tally-Ho.

But I know crime and murder rates on the eastern stretch of Howard are among the worst in the City. They're trying to gentrify it, which I know won't work. Rogers Park refuses to be gentrified. Anyway, there are a couple of fancy cocktail bars on the Evanston side that got some breaks to move in there. One night I was going for a drink at one of them with a couple suburban guys and I parked on a side street. I could see that my friends were nervous, as I guess you can tell this is a place where someone might shoot you. I just can't see it that way though.



I understood that my neighborhood was violent however. I used to see the violence on a regular basis. Chicago's low end was a violence place back then.

I used to have to walk through the Ida B. Wells in order to get home from Phillips. I can remember seeing 7 guys run from one of the buildings as I walked. Don't even know if they knew who they were looking for one did (Region of the GDs) at the time. He simply commanded them to keep running and they'd see him. Once they got behind one of the buildings they let him have it. I'd had to simply stand there because if I'd taken off running they'd have more than likely shot me. They didn't know initially who they were looking for and in that split second I didn't want it to be mistaken identity


I think when you are in it somewhat you have an attitude of it being "what it is". You understand the risk and you take steps to remove yourself from it. It is the main reason I decided to go away to college. Each time I'd return I found myself more and more disconnected from the things that the "guys" were into.

Shortly before I left for college my freshman year a friend of mine turned up missing. Missing person pictures were placed throughout the neighborhood. We all pretty much knew that something terrible had happened. A couple of years later they found his body in a ditch chopped up. It turns out that a guy that'd he refused to serve drugs to on credit snapped (had a schizophrenic episode) and killed him. His girlfriend told on him and he went to jail.

I think when you are in it day to day you become immune to it after awhile. It doesn't mean that it isn't still there however.

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