This again. Yes, if you define "safe" merely as "not dead". It's a fine definition that works for most. I, however, would rather not be shot or shot at, than be shot and hope my body armor stops the bullet sufficiently or the surgeons can stop the bleeding and repair my organs.

Not being shot is safer than being shot and surviving, yet both result in "not dead", and your model would call them equally "safe".

There are jobs that have an element of danger and even death in them. Police officer is one of those jobs.

Your post is just grandstanding with no real point. I acknowledge that being a police officer has an element of danger to it that is larger than many but not all jobs.

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Too bad FBI only has officers shot data to 2013

Year %Officers Shot
2004 0.42%
2005 0.44%
2006 0.45%
2007 0.42%
2008 0.42%
2009 0.36%
2010 0.35%
2011 0.42%
2012 0.43%
2013 0.42%

So average officer in 30 years has 13% chance of being shot.
8 officers start at Averageville and stay for a full career, odds are one of them will be shot.

I dunno about you but I will PASS on those odds.

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From 1997-2006, there were 19,953 officers assaulted with a firearm. From 2006-2015, there were 21,539 police officers assaulted with firearms nationally, an increase from the previous 10-year period by nearly 8%.

More police officers are getting shot now than before, but fewer are dying.

Haven't read everything yet but has someone tried to make a distinction between shootings that are, for lack of a better phrase, "part of the job," and targeted shootings like we've seen in Dallas and Louisiana? Seems focus on the latter rather than the former would paint a clearer picture with regard to the debate going on here.

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Increase in population, increase in police officers as well.

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What is the current survival rate for gunshot wounds? Isn't it over 90%?

Not saying you want to go out and get pumped full of holes but at the same time this isn't the Battle of Antietam. You could easily have more officers being shot but fewer dying just because of the invention of cell phones (though I suppose theyve alwayd had the radio) and decreased EMS response times. To me that doesn't make the job any less dangerous, with gunshots victims there are some fates worse than death.

This from a year ago. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... study-says



That's accounting all law enforcement in the country, border patrol, state, federal etc .


I wonder what your chances of being shot in Chicago as a civilian as opposed to a cop. Probably pretty close.

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I believe the last time a Chicago police officer was shot and killed in the line of duty is 2010 (not 100% on this), but I do know there are quite a few CPD who are non fatal shooting victims. They definitely get shot at a lot. One got hit in the neck not too long ago and it was a tense situation. Unfortunately for FavreFan and Nas he survived, sorry fellas I know that must hurt.

depends what neighborhood you are in. odds roughly .0016%/year citywide civilian gets shot.

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I'm devastated. Hopefully we have a better 2017.

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I don't know about you but I've been identifying a bit of a trend lately...

Whites kill a lot of cops and commit far more violent crimes and hate crimes than anyone else? Don't worry I won't say anything ridiculous like all whites or the white community is responsible for the actions of those criminals. I won't accuse the white community of having blood on their hands because of Dylan Roof or blame them for the mentally disabled black boy that was brutally raped with a hanger by a group of white kids (no prison time) either. Only an idiot would do something like that.

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http://city-journal.org/html/statistica ... 14968.html

Nas, you should probably read that article and make a few self examinations about your feelings towards law enforcement. FavreFan, I'm sure it'll be rewritten in crayon for you eventually so hold tight.

Meh, my hands are clean of all that. I dont have George Wallace (the Dixiecrat) as my avatar on the board, I dont immediately assume all blacks are criminals, I dont fabricate stories of my victimhood as an outlet for my rage against normal middle-class people, I dont propogate hate speech against people of certain races or professions and I definitely dont root for the deaths of innocents or people just doing their jobs.

So Dylan Roof, those kids in Idaho, all these things you're trying to pin on me just wash off.

America, the subjects debated here have moved around faster than Trump's hand over a bystander's vagina. Is the argument BLM type rhetoric has increased the danger cops already face as a result of the function they play in society or are you arguing that cops are in danger of being killed or injured while on the job. It's moved around a bit.

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The incendiary (sometimes violent) rhetoric and high profile demonstrations BLM uses to disseminate it have had a very similar effect to ISIS' use of the same tactics in Europe. Right now most of the ire is directed at police but as we are seeing the rage they are fostering is increasingly being used to target whites pretty indiscriminately. As time goes by and BLM needs to constantly one-up themselves to stay in the news their rhetoric will only intensify and more people will get hurt.

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BLM has made many mistakes, and I think they promoted the idea that police are randomly targeting black men for death, which is certainly not safe for either. This is also due to the media coverage. That said their is really no reason to mention them in the same name as ISIS other than to be incendiary.

BLM really has become similar to Occupy Wall Street in that they are all over the place, and they would be much better if they had realistic core values rather than being some vague "organic movement" that has power because there is no central leadership. If you want to remain outsiders then you are not going to accomplish anything except some media clicks.

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Haven't read the thread, but if your answer to the OP is that you're fine with extra "justice", you're not an advocate of the American justice system at all. You are in favor of emotion over logic and a subjective, individually-based set of rules for justice.

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I'd hate to think what would happen to IMU if he ever came near leash's family.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

We ask the police to be better than this. We do not want them beating on suspects, no matter what they do.

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Correct.

And you give license to cops who act like it's ok to put their emotions ahead of individual dignity and justice.

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I understand but we can't pretend that cops aren't human or we wouldn't want to do the same if someone murdered a loved one.

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We are excusing quite a bit though if we go down this route. It's like saying they were just looking out for their own kind, and that's human. We have to avoid emotional answers to situations like this. If you believe in your job, and the system then he should have been handled over in pristine shape. That's teaching him a lesson that rules are better than his lifestyle. He might not learn it, but we can hope others will.

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You can't remove the emotion because we're not robots. Most of us have some faith in the system but would still behave like a human if someone murdered a loved one. We can't pick and choose when the police are allowed to be human. In some cases most of us are fine with jailhouse justice and this guy MAY HAVE gotten a little street justice. He was responsible for killing 3 adults and a baby.

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I am not fine with either. I don't want people to be raped in prison or beaten in police custody.

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