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What would Donald Trump have to do these next four years for YOU to deem his Presidency a success?


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Peace in the Middle East
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So basically, no President will ever be a success to you.

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get impeached or die in office...

But seriously, if he doesn't do any of the crazy shit he said he was going to do, that would be great....tremendous, amazing.
Women, walls, LGBT, pot, etc...just leave it alone.

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My top 10

1) Corporate tax reform to get rid of our global tax system. Corporations would be able to repatriate overseas cash for investment domestically.
2) Right of center Supreme Court nominee. Coming in first two weeks according to Jim DeMint.
3) Approval of pipeline projects (two currently stalled) and the opening of more public lands for exploration. This would turn us from a net importer of hydrocarbons to a net exporter tilting the trade deficit in our favor.
3) Free Trade agreement with the UK and moving on TPP. We need to be the leader in setting the rules of global trade. I know NAFTA will be in focus and it may become a model.
4) Simplification of the individual tax code to get rid of the AMT and dump all the deductions. So called broadening of the base.
5) Healthcare reform. Paul Ryan had some great ideas in his CNN town hall, and hopefully those would be implemented.
6) Regulatory sanity at the agency level including at the SEC, EPA, DOL, CFPB for starters.
7) Normalization of interest rates (i.e. positive real rates). He doesn't directly control this, but he will have Federal Reserve appointments that can accomplish this.
8) Solving of the immigration crisis. That means getting border security right, unclogging the backlog of folks trying to come here the right way, and addressing the 11M or so that have undocumented status.
9) Improving international relations with Russia and China. And I have no clue how to do this. Republicans tend to talk tough. This may be the biggest wild card.
10) Laying the groundwork for entitlement reform. Those program have about 15 years before solvency becomes an issue.

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My top 10

1) Corporate tax reform to get rid of our global tax system. Corporations would be able to repatriate overseas cash for investment domestically.
2) Right of center Supreme Court nominee. Coming in first two weeks according to Jim DeMint.
3) Approval of pipeline projects (two currently stalled) and the opening of more public lands for exploration. This would turn us from a net importer of hydrocarbons to a net exporter tilting the trade deficit in our favor.
3) Free Trade agreement with the UK and moving on TPP. We need to be the leader in setting the rules of global trade. I know NAFTA will be in focus and it may become a model.
4) Simplification of the individual tax code to get rid of the AMT and dump all the deductions. So called broadening of the base.
5) Healthcare reform. Paul Ryan had some great ideas in his CNN town hall, and hopefully those would be implemented.
6) Regulatory sanity at the agency level including at the SEC, EPA, DOL, CFPB for starters.
7) Normalization of interest rates (i.e. positive real rates). He doesn't directly control this, but he will have Federal Reserve appointments that can accomplish this.
8) Solving of the immigration crisis. That means getting border security right, unclogging the backlog of folks trying to come here the right way, and addressing the 11M or so that have undocumented status.
9) Improving international relations with Russia and China. And I have no clue how to do this. Republicans tend to talk tough. This may be the biggest wild card.
10) Laying the groundwork for entitlement reform. Those program have about 15 years before solvency becomes an issue.


You think he is going to put TPP forward and use NAFTA as a model after trashing both nearly nonstop for the past year?

What right of center initiatives do you want the Supreme Court to reserve? Going as far as abortion?

I would like Trump to not destroy the economy or start some stupid military action. To me that would be enough "success" to get through these 4 years.

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First off, I answered the question in the thread title. These are what I want.

Trump talked about renegotiating NAFTA with Mexico and Canada, and I think this will happen. He has already said he wants Free Trade with the Euro-less UK. Those will be the models that would allow him to proceed with TPP. Without TPP, China will set the rules for trade in the Pacific rim. We must show leadership in this area.

Trump & Co are going to pick a Supreme Court Justice in the mold of Scalia according to DeMint on CNBC today. Abortion is a non-issue for me. Roe V Wade is a terrible decision, but I really don't care. In my world, abortion is not something directly addressed in the Constitution, and so it is a state by state issue. I am fine with it being legal though because I am live and let live. My Supreme Court wish list:

-Absolute deference to Congress.
-Strict interpretation of the Constitution as passed in 1789.
-Strong defense of the 10th Amendment. This matters in things like what the EPA is trying to do.
-Protection against aggressive spying.
-Narrowing of tort actions. What the prior court did has been great with many verdicts that narrowed causes of actions and provided more affirmative defenses against out sized lawsuits. They created tremendous case law.

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First off, I answered the question in the thread title. These are what I want.

Trump talked about renegotiating NAFTA with Mexico and Canada, and I think this will happen. He has already said he wants Free Trade with the Euro-less UK. Those will be the models that would allow him to proceed with TPP. Without TPP, China will set the rules for trade in the Pacific rim. We must show leadership in this area.

Trump & Co are going to pick a Supreme Court Justice in the mold of Scalia according to DeMint on CNBC today. Abortion is a non-issue for me. Roe V Wade is a terrible decision, but I really don't care. In my world, abortion is not something directly addressed in the Constitution, and so it is a state by state issue. I am fine with it being legal though because I am live and let live. My Supreme Court wish list:

-Absolute deference to Congress.
-Strict interpretation of the Constitution as passed in 1789.
-Strong defense of the 10th Amendment. This matters in things like what the EPA is trying to do.
-Protection against aggressive spying.
-Narrowing of tort actions. What the prior court did has been great with many verdicts that narrowed causes of actions and provided more affirmative defenses against out sized lawsuits. They created tremendous case law.



You answered well in both posts as far as I am concerned. We have similar wishes. What bothers me and I am sure we will see lots of it in this thread is people trying to reduce things to a single hot button issue. Not picking on Ruffcorn but he was the first. Bring up the SCOTUS and abortion gets jumped on. Bring up immigration and you are racist against Hispanics. Bring up the EPZ and you do not want a world for our grandchildren and so on. I realize people have their own interests but our situation is very complex.

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First off, I answered the question in the thread title. These are what I want.

Trump talked about renegotiating NAFTA with Mexico and Canada, and I think this will happen. He has already said he wants Free Trade with the Euro-less UK. Those will be the models that would allow him to proceed with TPP. Without TPP, China will set the rules for trade in the Pacific rim. We must show leadership in this area.

Trump & Co are going to pick a Supreme Court Justice in the mold of Scalia according to DeMint on CNBC today. Abortion is a non-issue for me. Roe V Wade is a terrible decision, but I really don't care. In my world, abortion is not something directly addressed in the Constitution, and so it is a state by state issue. I am fine with it being legal though because I am live and let live. My Supreme Court wish list:

-Absolute deference to Congress.
-Strict interpretation of the Constitution as passed in 1789.
-Strong defense of the 10th Amendment. This matters in things like what the EPA is trying to do.
-Protection against aggressive spying.
-Narrowing of tort actions. What the prior court did has been great with many verdicts that narrowed causes of actions and provided more affirmative defenses against out sized lawsuits. They created tremendous case law.



You answered well in both posts as far as I am concerned. We have similar wishes. What bothers me and I am sure we will see lots of it in this thread is people trying to reduce things to a single hot button issue. Not picking on Ruffcorn but he was the first. Bring up the SCOTUS and abortion gets jumped on. Bring up immigration and you are racist against Hispanics. Bring up the EPZ and you do not want a world for our grandchildren and so on. I realize people have their own interests but our situation is very complex.


I get that you two want to protect your interests, but abortion has been the conservative rally cry for decades now. This is the issue that drives all the Christian right to the polls. If they are not going to try to overturn it now, then they likely never will. So I was inquiring if that worked for you.

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Ruff, if both sides were being honest about it, there is no way the U.S. Constitution could have contemplated the abortion issue. And to use a "right to privacy" as a way to say it does is just pure fantasy. Most objective legal scholars agree that Roe v Wade was a poorly thought out decision, and it was basically justices making stuff up to get to the end they wanted.

That aside, the most reasonable answer is that abortion is not a federal/Constitutional issue and should be left to the states. It is a near perfect solution to a highly debated problem. The procedure would be legal in IL and MA, presumably, and vice versa illegal in the South and conservative bastions. In effect it would be the way we handle things like pornography where the community standard rule applies.

As I mentioned, I am pro choice under my ethos of live and let live. If put to a vote in IL, I would vote choice. But I completely understand the viewpoint of people who believe it is murder and should be illegal in all cases. I just disagree with those folks.

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I would love to see a Venn diagram of people who are pro-gun, anti-legalization of pot, and anti-abortion. Then I would ask those people why they don't apply the "if guns are illegal, only bad guys will have guns" argument to their other positions.

Drugs are illegal, yet they are easily accessible. Overturning Roe v. Wade isn't going to eliminate abortions. It will just make them more dangerous.

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Hard to envision any way he is a success. Perhaps he can force the Democrats to get serious about finding electable candidates around the nation.

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I would love to see a Venn diagram of people who are pro-gun, anti-legalization of pot, and anti-abortion. Then I would ask those people why they don't apply the "if guns are illegal, only bad guys will have guns" argument to their other positions.

Drugs are illegal, yet they are easily accessible. Overturning Roe v. Wade isn't going to eliminate abortions. It will just make them more dangerous.



Yeap, drugs and abortions are good parallels. Having them illegal doesn't work.

But guns have a different place in the debate because it is a Constitutional issue. I would argue the government has the right to make drugs illegal while it does not have the right to make guns illegal. Abortion, well that's a grey one given Roe.

Why the fuck is everyone so damned worried about everyone else? In the gun debate it makes sense because they inflict harm on other people, often innocent ones. But abortion, drugs, and gay marriage have minimal impact on other people.

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Hard to envision any way he is a success. Perhaps he can force the Democrats to get serious about finding electable candidates around the nation.


He won't make the left happy for sure. But for guys like me, I can only hope he does some practical stuff that I view as positive.

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Ruff, if both sides were being honest about it, there is no way the U.S. Constitution could have contemplated the abortion issue. And to use a "right to privacy" as a way to say it does is just pure fantasy. Most objective legal scholars agree that Roe v Wade was a poorly thought out decision, and it was basically justices making stuff up to get to the end they wanted.

That aside, the most reasonable answer is that abortion is not a federal/Constitutional issue and should be left to the states. It is a near perfect solution to a highly debated problem. The procedure would be legal in IL and MA, presumably, and vice versa illegal in the South and conservative bastions. In effect it would be the way we handle things like pornography where the community standard rule applies.

As I mentioned, I am pro choice under my ethos of live and let live. If put to a vote in IL, I would vote choice. But I completely understand the viewpoint of people who believe it is murder and should be illegal in all cases. I just disagree with those folks.


I disagree, but it's really not worth getting into. I have no problem with interpreting the Constitution loosely because it was written before the telegraph let alone when everyone has supercomputers in their pockets. Also believe it is absurd to have rules "set by community standards". If that were the case, Jim Crow would still be in pockets of this country. Alas, I am live and let live as well for the most part. I just believe that the anti-abortion crowd love to hide behind religion, which I do not want in politics. If Trump puts on ultraconservatives who reverse gay marriage and Roe v. Wade, I think it's going to piss off enough people that it could have blowback into what traditional Republicans really care about: fiscal policy.

To get back to the original point, I would like to see Trump end the drug war. I can only assume that blow and hookers happened sometime between the Art of the Deal and his Moscow misadventures.

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This.

Also, not getting us all blown up in a nuclear holocaust would be wonderful.

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Ruff, if both sides were being honest about it, there is no way the U.S. Constitution could have contemplated the abortion issue. And to use a "right to privacy" as a way to say it does is just pure fantasy. Most objective legal scholars agree that Roe v Wade was a poorly thought out decision, and it was basically justices making stuff up to get to the end they wanted.

That aside, the most reasonable answer is that abortion is not a federal/Constitutional issue and should be left to the states. It is a near perfect solution to a highly debated problem. The procedure would be legal in IL and MA, presumably, and vice versa illegal in the South and conservative bastions. In effect it would be the way we handle things like pornography where the community standard rule applies.

As I mentioned, I am pro choice under my ethos of live and let live. If put to a vote in IL, I would vote choice. But I completely understand the viewpoint of people who believe it is murder and should be illegal in all cases. I just disagree with those folks.


I disagree, but it's really not worth getting into. I have no problem with interpreting the Constitution loosely because it was written before the telegraph let alone when everyone has supercomputers in their pockets. Also believe it is absurd to have rules "set by community standards". If that were the case, Jim Crow would still be in pockets of this country. Alas, I am live and let live as well for the most part. I just believe that the anti-abortion crowd love to hide behind religion, which I do not want in politics. If Trump puts on ultraconservatives who reverse gay marriage and Roe v. Wade, I think it's going to piss off enough people that it could have blowback into what traditional Republicans really care about: fiscal policy.

To get back to the original point, I would like to see Trump end the drug war. I can only assume that blow and hookers happened sometime between the Art of the Deal and his Moscow misadventures.



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Ruff, if both sides were being honest about it, there is no way the U.S. Constitution could have contemplated the abortion issue. And to use a "right to privacy" as a way to say it does is just pure fantasy. Most objective legal scholars agree that Roe v Wade was a poorly thought out decision, and it was basically justices making stuff up to get to the end they wanted.

That aside, the most reasonable answer is that abortion is not a federal/Constitutional issue and should be left to the states. It is a near perfect solution to a highly debated problem. The procedure would be legal in IL and MA, presumably, and vice versa illegal in the South and conservative bastions. In effect it would be the way we handle things like pornography where the community standard rule applies.

As I mentioned, I am pro choice under my ethos of live and let live. If put to a vote in IL, I would vote choice. But I completely understand the viewpoint of people who believe it is murder and should be illegal in all cases. I just disagree with those folks.


I disagree, but it's really not worth getting into. I have no problem with interpreting the Constitution loosely because it was written before the telegraph let alone when everyone has supercomputers in their pockets. Also believe it is absurd to have rules "set by community standards". If that were the case, Jim Crow would still be in pockets of this country. Alas, I am live and let live as well for the most part. I just believe that the anti-abortion crowd love to hide behind religion, which I do not want in politics. If Trump puts on ultraconservatives who reverse gay marriage and Roe v. Wade, I think it's going to piss off enough people that it could have blowback into what traditional Republicans really care about: fiscal policy.

To get back to the original point, I would like to see Trump end the drug war. I can only assume that blow and hookers happened sometime between the Art of the Deal and his Moscow misadventures.


Jim Crow violates the basic tenets of the Dec of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. It is the perpetual flaw in the founding of our country that women, Indians, and Blacks were not considered equal. I have read up on this extensively, and effectively, we would have never had a nation if slavery were not allowed to exist at the founding of the Republic. Meaning, the Southern States would never agreed to the union. And for that I cannot defend our Constitution. The good news is that the Constitution can and has been amended such that women and black were made explicitly equal as it should have always been.

The abortion issue is meant for the states/local as are many other issues like police and schools.

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Jim Crow violates the basic tenets of the Dec of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. It is the perpetual flaw in the founding of our country that women, Indians, and Blacks were not considered equal. I have read up on this extensively, and effectively, we would have never had a nation if slavery were not allowed to exist at the founding of the Republic. Meaning, the Southern States would never agreed to the union. And for that I cannot defend our Constitution. The good news is that the Constitution can and has been amended such that women and black were made explicitly equal as it should have always been.

The abortion issue is meant for the states/local as are many other issues like police and schools.


This is exactly right.

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