Listened to an interesting Freakonomics podcast last evening focusing on research done by Raj Chetty. A transcript is below:

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/american-dream-really-dead/

In a nutshell, he revisited a study done by the Clinton administration that looked at mobility for low-income families from a very poor area of a city to another area of the city, which was either also poor or mixed income. Originally, the results of the study just focused on older children and adults and showed little improvement through mobility. He transposed IRS data on the results and found that the study had missed on the results from younger children, who were found to be "achieving the American dream" at a higher percentage, or rose in wealth above their parent's level. The fundamental conclusion was that if you move lower income families out of a very poor area and implant them into a mixed income area, the youngest children will have a closer to 1 in 5 chance of rising to a new income level. While it might be a bit of a stretch, this transplantation could work wonders for our economy, resulting in more people paying taxes into the government as well as a reduction in the billions currently spent on HUD.

At the end of the podcast was the most interesting part in the fact that Raj has Ben Carson's ear. While I can't say I know enough to agree with Raj's conclusions, wouldn't it be interesting if the voters for Trump, who tend to be highly segregated and more well off, unlike the portrait of the white blue-collar worker everyone assumed, would now have to face a world where making America great again meant more competition for them at the food trough? If this approach to policy worked, would Trump voters still feel we made America great again?

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I guess you are saying you assume Trump supporters are racists or classists (not a word) and would not want to live side by side with the transplanted poor?

Wasn't this the idea behind tearing down the CHA high rises and spreading people around? I don't think this worked out well in Chicago as far as I know but it seems to make sense on paper?

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Elections have consequences.

From what I've read, they aren't racist as much as elitists, which still didn't completely sit well with me.

As Trump said, the American Dream is dead. He is trying to fix that by making it so that your kids have the opportunity to make more than you do. But regional competition exists, so by transplanting more young children from lower income areas into your mixed income area, you are increasing the competition and reducing the chances for your kids to be more well off.

The difference between CHA and what Raj is proposing is that the CHA demolition focused on ALL families, but Raj is saying this only works with very young children up to teens.

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The show I recently saw about Cabrini-Green on PBS touched on this.

First of all- and this gets into the discussion we were having in the DeVos thread about dangerous neighborhoods- the people who lived in the C-G highrises, even when the buildings were neglected and got all fucked up and crime was rampant, have nothing but fond memories and pride in their neighborhood. Even after most of the buildings were torn down, they would get together on the concrete and barbecue and have little reunions.

Second, they promised the residents the opportunity to move back into the mixed income developments that would be replacing the highrises, but the rules for acceptance were so draconian that it made it very difficult for many people. Then, those people that were accepted and now living next to some #fasttrack couple who paid $350,000 for a two-bedroom condo were relegated to "steerage class" by not having a voice in the association.

Finally, there is a lot of misunderstanding based on cultural differences. In the summer a lot of the black neighbors like to hang out outside and chat, kids are running around, but the white people who bought the condos and grew up in places like Naperville or Glencoe find this very strange and somehow "dangerous".

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When I was down in Champaign they moved in many of the families from Chicago public housing down there. (And into some of the rural surrounding counties.) Funny thing is that I heard the admins complain that the black people from Chicago were "too loud" compared to the usual people usually living there.

Also saw a lot of the Chicago families having reunions of sort at an IGA. They bumped would bump into each other, say they had no idea that they both had been moved down to Champaign and promptly planned a cookout. Based overhearing this I can confirm that this group spoke at a higher volume than the usual customers at the IGA.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Wasn't there a Seinfeld episode on loud talking? Or was it high talking.

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Close talking.

To your last point, yes. And its not just blacks, I heard a lot of that from old people back in the old neighborhood when Italians came out from living in their basements during the summer and be too loud.

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There was also a low talking episode. My wife is a low talker. Plus I don't hear very well. It's a great recipe for ignoring her.

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Freedom is our Strength.

And high talking

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The Puffy Shirt was because of Kramer's gf being a low talker.
Elaine caused her friend to get a divorce because of the high talker.
Judge Reinhold was the close talker.

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Jorr, I saw that PBS special on CHA. I thought it was fantastic, especially as it respects the historical redlining of Chicago neighborhoods. That led to CHA building up. Otherwise, black, Italian, and Jewish populations were going to spill across red lines. I also found the East/West dividing lines of Wells to be something I never knew.

Growing up in the burbs, my knowledge of city neighborhoods and history is pretty weak. So that show had a lot of stuff I didn't know.

Here is the link to it, if anyone else is interested.

http://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2015/08/ ... rini-green

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Hawaii (fuck) You

I agree. Trump will end economic inequality with Ben Carson leading the charge.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That is not just a "black" thing. I think it is a city thing. Where I grew up when I was younger that was how it was. now with all the new construction when I go home to visit it is rare to see kids outside or people talking to each other like in the old days.
Once,one of the new people called the police on the kids playing in the front yard. The police where like you know you are going to have to deal with this as there is a large city park at the end of the block.So they went and put up a fence.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

it seems* obvious that if you remove people from a really bad neighborhood they would be better off.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

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Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way