I went to a seminar on restorative justice last night and one of the speakers described a trip to England, where beat cops don't carry guns and where most of them say they would not want to.

It got me thinking a bit on the subject. Are there really many instances where the police gun is a deterrent? In my experience, the criminals don't fire on police because they know that will result in greater pain for them, more interest in their case and a longer prison sentence not because they know the police will fire back. So are the police in any greater danger without that weapon?

Obviously you would want specialized units to be carrying but I wonder how the dynamic would change if the average cop was not carrying.

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People always want to compare the UK to US for this but private gun ownership isn't the same. Makes it an apples to oranges type of comparison.

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Yes.

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I'm not comparing the two.

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In a normal country yes, but not in the US.

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As long as citizens are armed, police must be as well.

You know it would. It would also be safer if people who committed gun crimes got very lengthy sentences. In Cook County if you are a felon caught with a gun you are supposed to get 10 years at 85%,never happens because the States Atty lets them plea it out.
Why not designate the street gangs that are causing all the mayhem in the inner cities,as the cops know who they are, as what they in fact are. Terrorists.

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As long as cops who kill unarmed suspects who aren't posing an immediate threat get the same penalty I'm down for that.

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WHAT A NEW AND INTERESTING OBSERVATION no American on a trip to the UK has EVER commented on their police not having guns. This guy really made some new points!



Most French police carry guns (France is complicated), German police carry guns, Canadian police carry guns, Chinese police carry guns, Australian police carry guns, South African police carry guns, Mexican police carry guns, Dutch police carry guns, Italian police carry guns...

The only two countries I can think of top-of-mind where the police dont carry guns are the UK and Ireland. So take your "normal country" bullshit elsewhere. America First.

If you want to actually have a debate about this issue that isn't fucking stupid we can debate the off duty carrying of weapons, but now that police are becoming targets of anti-white terrorists I dont think that's a good idea.

Are off duty police subject to the same concealed carry rules as private citizens? I ask because I do not know, but if there are differences perhaps those could be rectified in the interest of fairness. Again, I dont trust that this wont result in tragedy because terrorists affiliated with BLM could easily stalk police until they are unarmed before attacking them.

I don't think it makes a difference. Besides the overwhelming majority of police go their entire career without having to fire their weapon.

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GO BEARS!!!

Oh, that's a great conversation, given the epidemic of off duty shootings across the country.

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I believe crime would skyrocket given criminals know they wouldn't get shot.

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Why? Do you really believe that Americans are more violent than any other group of people?

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Um yes.

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perhaps but all criminals have guns here or could easily get one.

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but most police do not use their weapon

I don't think the weapon is a deterrent. It's the getting caught that is the deterrent, not the getting shot.

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most crimes are not committed with a gun

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UK has nearly twice the rate of violent assaults and rapes of the USA. #RefugeesWelcome

most crimes are garage break-ins and the like I don't give a fuck about that.

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you think a cop is gonna chase a armed person down a dark alley without a gun you are nuts.

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Cops have been pretty hands off in Chicago over last year. Seems to be going well.

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Everyone would be safer except for the police .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

as JORR said the best way to stop cops from shooting people is get rid of cops. no sense paying them to sit in their cars and do nothing.

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You still have highly trained teams of cops with guns. They should be trained enough to not shoot kids in parks with toys and guys walking in the middle of a street.

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I think if other groups had as easy access to guns they would be just as violent if not worse.

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Because this happens all the time.

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didn't the fbi try this in the 30s? i realize that they aren't cops as such, but i think they changed the policy as the early g-men were getting blown away.

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How often is too much?

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