Veganfan with the 20,000 word post that no one's going to read.

You went full Sini. Never go full Sini.

I say we all quote that post and see how long we can make this page scroll for.

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That was an article. The alternative (and quicker) fact here I guess is that the Pats are awesome and Brady led them to glory over the past 15 years or so through sheer determination and will. Spygate and all the other nonsense were episodes made up by ESPN to drive ratings.

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Ben Simmons is a liability: check
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You're my guy, VF. I was just giving you shit.

ESPN creating the story instead of simply reporting a story has truly been their downfall. Coupled with cord cutting, they are in serious trouble having spent so much for TV sports rights. Are the Patriots shady sometimes? Sure? Did the deflating story need year long coverage? Fuck no.

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How much did video taping a practice really help? The Pats had 18 regular season and playoff games of the Rams to study. It's not like the Rams were running a completely different offense once they got to the Super Bowl. The Pats still had to execute, and they did. They followed up that Super Bowl victory by throat-fucking the rest of the league for the next fifteen years. At some point, they have to get some credit for being better than everybody else, because they clearly are.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Spurs organization is just as good if not better

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Aaron Rodgers Thug

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

That would be a team in the argument for sure, but in the modern NFL where the rules are specifically designed to create parity and stop a team from becoming a dynasty, the Patriots are hard to believe.

Not to take anything away from the Spurs, but an NBA team can have two top players and ride them for a long time. Brady and Belichick keep winning with whoever else is out there on the field. Who the fuck is this Hogan guy?

Also, in the modern NHL, the Hawks might have to be in the conversation.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

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What the Patriots have done for nearly 2 decades is definitely more impressive than what the Spurs have accomplished.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

My latest theory is the Patriots just make this white smallish WRs great just to piss off Bernstein Breeding Inc.

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Elections have consequences.

I'm sure Brady would have loved to play with a Moss like receiver his entire career but he just knows how to win with whatever you give him.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

how many stories of "headsets not working" and electrical short outs are going to come out of steelers camp?

Yeah, the truth is a guy like Moss is almost wasted in that offense. You don't need the high profile receivers when they're getting it done with scrap heap guys. And of course Brady is the most important guy on the field, but let's not forget the year when Belichick made Cassel look like he was good.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

I don't mean to impugn all of their accomplishments from A-Z, and at this point all I can do is point you back to the SI article in which people from all over the NFL raise questions on their integrity. The piece said at least 19 teams or something took precautions against the Pats because they had grounds to think the Pats were trying to gain a competitive advantage in ways that violated league rules and/or basic fairness. Do you think teams take the same precautions against the Lions? The Packers? The Colts? As far as the Colts and Packers go, they are also some of the more successful franchises in recent memory, and as far as I know no team or official has called their accomplishments into question as they have done to the Pats, so it's not an issue of jealousy here or whatnot.

You're right that the Pats still have to execute, and they do that well. However, as you know, it's a hell of a lot easier to execute a game-plan when you have insider information on the opposing team's game-plan/strategy/etc. Have they always had insider information for playoff and regular season games? Well that's the essence of the issue - the answer is not an unequivocal yes or no either way, and that fact-based ambiguity is what tarnishes their legacy.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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