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Just look at this place, it's motherfking ccksucking magnificent! WOW! It's a brand new day, Wisemen.

That is not true.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=122251

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Okay, it appears that is an actual Executive Order. My mistake. Apparently, he has signed at least one. But according to what I just read, he also took three presidential "actions" yesterday that were not Executive Orders but have similar effect. I assume those would not appear on the list Don Tiny posted. If you look at various sites they are being referred to as "Executive Orders". I just read in USA Today that they are actually Presidential Memoranda and that Obama signed more of those than any other president. Like I said, I don't know, but it seems this is being semantically spun in different ways depending on the politics.

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How many does he need when he has the house and senate?

Let's get past the part that you have about as much latitude as Chas at this point to call people partisan.

I'm looking for the real answer. Your stament of "actually Obama did these other ones so let's focus on that" reeks of the same goalpost moving garbage as UE brought out. I want to know what the yard lines are.

I guess we'll have to see how willing they are to go along with some of this stuff. I was surprised to see Ted Cruz tweeting positively about the TPP withdrawal.

I don't have a sophisticated understanding of international trade but it seems to me that our withdrawal is simply going to strengthen China economically the same way our military withdrawal in the Middle East strengthened Russia and Iran. That doesn't really seem like an "America First" plan.

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Have they repealed the ACA yet today? It's Day 3 now.

Are you actively trying to look ridiculous?



I'm not asking anyone to focus on anything. I'm asking the legitimate question of what is and what isn't an Executive Order and what appears on that list. Because in twelve months when you're whining like a fucking Caller Bob about how many Executive Orders Trump has signed I can guarantee you someone is going to post that chart updated to illustrate that he hasn't signed many at all.

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You brought up this other order in response to a factual illustration of EOs signed by Obama. You've gotten pissy that I asked where the goalposts are. So who is the one whining like a Caller Bob?

There are no "goalposts". There's a right answer or a wrong answer. When people talk about "executive orders" do they mean mean it generically as in any action taken by a president that doesn't involve Congressional approval, like the three Memoranda that Trump signed yesterday? Or do they mean actual Executive Orders which I assume are illustrated in the chart Don Tiny posted in what was an attempt to show that Obama issued less Executive orders than MANY presidents.

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I mean it to be actual executive orders. These memorandums and birthday messages and whatever else aren't (Joe) Germaine to the chart. You inserted them into the discussion. Hence me trying to clarify what the fuck is actually being talked about.

So you're not concerned about the withdrawal from the TPP or the ban on international abortion funding since those weren't Executive Orders?

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I tried looking up Presidential Memorandum. They say they do not number or track them yet when you pull it up they are tracking Trump lol. There are a ton that Obama took that are not counted in that list. In fact there is no way to tell exactly how many any "actions" a president has used because only EO are by law requires to be given public notice. For instance Obamas orders where not Eo they where directives, the delay in the ACA mandate that the Senate sued him over was a note sent to the Treasury Dept.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Where did I say that?

Presidential Decision Directives by President:

Bill Clinton - 83
George W. Bush - 91
Barack Obama - 43

https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/ppd/

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /96979014/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /96945308/

"None of the directives were executive orders, but rather presidential memoranda. Sometimes known as "executive orders by another name," presidential memoranda became President Obama's executive power tool of choice, signing more of them than any president in history even as he tempered use of executive orders."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /20191805/

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this is a stupid argument.

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Oh I wasn't trying to argrue.

Just another way to look at it.

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Not really. Did Obama take an extraordinary amount of unilateral executive action and circumvent Congress or not? Will Trump do so? I'm honestly not really sure. There are all kinds of different numbers being thrown around from various sources.

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That is going to be my new line.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

like saying lance Johnson was better than frank Thomas because he got more hits.

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Yep.

It's interesting to look at from all sides.

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Pretty good breakdown of both Executive Orders and Presidential Memorada between Bush and Obama.

https://cei.org/10KC/Chapter-3

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The site I linked before also cites memorandums.

They have Obama at 331 for his term (unless he issued any additional after 1/17 that they haven't logged yet.

GW Bush had a count of 216 logged on the website

You can search for different items such as executive orders, memorandums, etc...

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/index.php

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That's a cool website to peruse.

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the Founders are passé. Old dead white men.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

This is what many against big government mean.

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Elections have consequences.

If any order is unconstitutional, then sue and it will be undone. It's not brain surgery. If it's constitutional then either deal with it or change the constitution, or vote for someone else, or don't vote. Why does anyone even care? Die, motherfuckers.

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