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Didn't he say in the campaign he was going to get involved in Chicago if he won? Where not a few of you jackals taunting him about it in other threads ? Well you can't say he isn't trying to keep his campaign promises. He may not be getting them done as quickly as he claimed but he is tackling them.


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No Mike, send the Feds. What are you defending at this point? Do you think any of his behaviir is appropriate?

So you think it is okay for the shooting/murder rate to be on pace to set another record? Jan is already on pace to beat last year by a decent margin.You all rip on Trump for saying shit and not backing it up. Well,here he is threatening to back his talk up and you are not okay with that either.Your guy who just left office went eight years barely lifting a finger to do anything about it and he was from there. Fucks sakes people,4000 plus where gunned down last year, over 400 did not make it. It is not just the bad guys getting killed, it is innocent bystanders as well.

His solution of "sending in the Feds" won't solve anything as the issue has many factors that won't be addressed by stationing green men with rifles at every corner.


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https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170124/albany-park/donald-trump-tweet-send-in-the-feds-violence-shootings

I just read the story linked in the original post. I do not know what the statement "send in the feds" means. What I didn't see though was any mention whatsoever of the National Guard or US Military coming to Chicago. For all we know Trumps empty tweet means sending in DOJ, FBI, ATF or any combination of federal law enforcement workers.



When you read within the context of his previous "LAW AND ORDER" statements, I think it's reasonable to believe he might have meant the National Guard.


Actually, lately I do not think it is reasonable to assume anything about what is said/tweeted by Trump, Trump supporters OR Trump haters.


:lol: That's a good point.

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I'm not sure the president can send in the national Guard.
Isn't it up to the governor to a ask for the national guard?

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Isn't it up to the governor to a ask for the national guard?

Only ah if ah the Governor is Italiano!

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I doubt the Governor wanted the national guard in Mississippi, they were deployed regardless of what that shit kicker thought.

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Well the press secretary made it clear that the National Guard being sent in is definitely on the table.

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Well the press secretary made it clear that the National Guard being sent in is definitely on the table.


Is he being truthful or not? Who knows with this administration.
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I loathe the political equivalencies in arguments, and I often give JORR and others crap about it for the Clinton thing, but I have to make an exception here...

Can you imagine if, four days within his inauguration, some Southern mayor said that Obama needed to focus more on his job and Obama fired off a Tweet saying that he's going to "bring in the feds" to "clean up the city"? I mean, really... sit and think about that scenario for a moment and be honest with yourself. MANY on here and everywhere would be planning secession from the union. Chas would have an aneurysm. Gun sales would increase by 1,000%.

MANY have been completely desensitized, and the rest of us have only been desensitized to a degree.

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I loathe the political equivalencies in arguments, and I often give JORR and others crap about it for the Clinton thing, but I have to make an exception here...

Can you imagine if, four days within his inauguration, some Southern mayor said that Obama needed to focus more on his job and Obama fired off a Tweet saying that he's going to "bring in the feds" to "clean up the city"? I mean, really... sit and think about that scenario for a moment and be honest with yourself. MANY on here and everywhere would be planning secession from the union. Chas would have an aneurysm. Gun sales would increase by 1,000%.

MANY have been completely desensitized, and the rest of us have only been desensitized to a degree.


Consistency in thought isn't a strength of MANY people who post here.

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I loathe the political equivalencies in arguments, and I often give JORR and others crap about it for the Clinton thing, but I have to make an exception here...

Can you imagine if, four days within his inauguration, some Southern mayor said that Obama needed to focus more on his job and Obama fired off a Tweet saying that he's going to "bring in the feds" to "clean up the city"? I mean, really... sit and think about that scenario for a moment and be honest with yourself. MANY on here and everywhere would be planning secession from the union. Chas would have an aneurysm. Gun sales would increase by 1,000%.

MANY have been completely desensitized, and the rest of us have only been desensitized to a degree.



The thing about Rahm and Trump is that they seem to both have similar political philosophies in MANY areas. They only reason they are beefing is because Rahm is a Democrat and Trump used the Republican Party as his platform.

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I loathe the political equivalencies in arguments, and I often give JORR and others crap about it for the Clinton thing, but I have to make an exception here...

Can you imagine if, four days within his inauguration, some Southern mayor said that Obama needed to focus more on his job and Obama fired off a Tweet saying that he's going to "bring in the feds" to "clean up the city"? I mean, really... sit and think about that scenario for a moment and be honest with yourself. MANY on here and everywhere would be planning secession from the union. Chas would have an aneurysm. Gun sales would increase by 1,000%.

MANY have been completely desensitized, and the rest of us have only been desensitized to a degree.



The thing about Rahm and Trump is that they seem to both have similar political philosophies in MANY areas. They only reason they are beefing is because Rahm is a Democrat and Trump used the Republican Party as his platform.


Maybe. I don't think that really has an impact on my statement, though. Trump belongs to no party. I only used the "Southern Mayor" example because Trump is obviously more loathed in big cities like Chicago and Obama is more loathed in Southern cities. The political philosophies are insignificant.

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leashyourkids wrote:
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I loathe the political equivalencies in arguments, and I often give JORR and others crap about it for the Clinton thing, but I have to make an exception here...

Can you imagine if, four days within his inauguration, some Southern mayor said that Obama needed to focus more on his job and Obama fired off a Tweet saying that he's going to "bring in the feds" to "clean up the city"? I mean, really... sit and think about that scenario for a moment and be honest with yourself. MANY on here and everywhere would be planning secession from the union. Chas would have an aneurysm. Gun sales would increase by 1,000%.

MANY have been completely desensitized, and the rest of us have only been desensitized to a degree.



The thing about Rahm and Trump is that they seem to both have similar political philosophies in MANY areas. They only reason they are beefing is because Rahm is a Democrat and Trump used the Republican Party as his platform.


Maybe. I don't think that really has an impact on my statement, though. Trump belongs to no party. I only used the "Southern Mayor" example because Trump is obviously more loathed in big cities like Chicago and Obama is more loathed in Southern cities. The political philosophies are insignificant.

In sports terms (as this is a sports message board :D ), MANY here are excusing his behavior as the equivalent of "Manny being Manny"
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In sports terms (as this is a sports message board :D ), MANY here are excusing his behavior as the equivalent of "Manny being Manny"


Who is doing that?

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Actually, lately I do not think it is reasonable to assume anything about what is said/tweeted by Trump, Trump supporters OR Trump haters.


:lol: That's a good point.


Oh, Trump said some crazy shit. I wouldn't worry about it. It's just Trump being Trump.
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Actually, lately I do not think it is reasonable to assume anything about what is said/tweeted by Trump, Trump supporters OR Trump haters.


:lol: That's a good point.


Oh, Trump said some crazy shit. I wouldn't worry about it. It's just Trump being Trump.



Who has said that though? Neither of those quotes says anything like that.

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I think it's commendable that Trump even brings the issue up. Obama apparently was more interested in politicizing the Justice department against the Chicago police department than actually sending in federal authorities to improve the situation. What Rahm and other Democrats want is free money from the federal government and then to continue business as usual. It's unclear what "bringing in the feds" means specifically. Certainly the situation in the city could be cleaned up, but a lot of people have lacked the political will to stop the shootings.

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Willpower from politicians is what will stop people shooting each other.

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I think it's commendable that Trump even brings the issue up. Obama apparently was more interested in politicizing the Justice department against the Chicago police department than actually sending in federal authorities to improve the situation. What Rahm and other Democrats want is free money from the federal government and then to continue business as usual. It's unclear what "bringing in the feds" means specifically. Certainly the situation in the city could be cleaned up, but a lot of people have lacked the political will to stop the shootings.


:lol:

Even if it we all agreed it was a good idea (and it's pretty much a consensus that it's not), do you think it's appropriate to do it in retaliation for remarks made by the city's mayor? Do you think that portrays someone who is genuinely interested in helping or someone who is a thin-skinned baby (and the most powerful man on Earth)?

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I think it's commendable that Trump even brings the issue up. Obama apparently was more interested in politicizing the Justice department against the Chicago police department than actually sending in federal authorities to improve the situation. What Rahm and other Democrats want is free money from the federal government and then to continue business as usual. It's unclear what "bringing in the feds" means specifically. Certainly the situation in the city could be cleaned up, but a lot of people have lacked the political will to stop the shootings.


:lol:

Even if it we all agreed it was a good idea (and it's pretty much a consensus that it's not), do you think it's appropriate to do it in retaliation for remarks made by the city's mayor? Do you think that portrays someone who is genuinely interested in helping or someone who is a thin-skinned baby (and the most powerful man on Earth)?



It started during the campaign. I have to believe he singled out Chicago because of the Obama connection.

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Chicago is also where the protesters stopped him from speaking during the campaign. Everything is personal with Trump, and he probably sees this as a way to get back. Sending in the National Guard to the city? So he wants this to be an occupied city? The Republican party is ok with this? Seems like a pretty significant government overreach into state's rights. But that probably only matters if it's about abortion or gay rights or something they care about.

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Chicago is also where the protesters stopped him from speaking during the campaign.


They really didn't though. Everything would have been fine if he had shown up. He- and some of the media- tried to make out like it was a riot. I didn't see anything like that.

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Chicago is also where the protesters stopped him from speaking during the campaign.


They really didn't though. Everything would have been fine if he had shown up. He- and some of the media- tried to make out like it was a riot. I didn't see anything like that.


Plus you were there. I can't imagine he wouldn't have wanted to meet one of his most esteemed Chicago surrogates. :P

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:
I think it's commendable that Trump even brings the issue up. Obama apparently was more interested in politicizing the Justice department against the Chicago police department than actually sending in federal authorities to improve the situation. What Rahm and other Democrats want is free money from the federal government and then to continue business as usual. It's unclear what "bringing in the feds" means specifically. Certainly the situation in the city could be cleaned up, but a lot of people have lacked the political will to stop the shootings.


:lol:

Even if it we all agreed it was a good idea (and it's pretty much a consensus that it's not), do you think it's appropriate to do it in retaliation for remarks made by the city's mayor? Do you think that portrays someone who is genuinely interested in helping or someone who is a thin-skinned baby (and the most powerful man on Earth)?



It started during the campaign. I have to believe he singled out Chicago because of the Obama connection.


But last night's tweet was undoubtedly in retaliation to Rahm's comments, no? Am I missing something where it was a coincidence? Asking honestly...

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:
I think it's commendable that Trump even brings the issue up. Obama apparently was more interested in politicizing the Justice department against the Chicago police department than actually sending in federal authorities to improve the situation. What Rahm and other Democrats want is free money from the federal government and then to continue business as usual. It's unclear what "bringing in the feds" means specifically. Certainly the situation in the city could be cleaned up, but a lot of people have lacked the political will to stop the shootings.


:lol:

Even if it we all agreed it was a good idea (and it's pretty much a consensus that it's not), do you think it's appropriate to do it in retaliation for remarks made by the city's mayor? Do you think that portrays someone who is genuinely interested in helping or someone who is a thin-skinned baby (and the most powerful man on Earth)?



It started during the campaign. I have to believe he singled out Chicago because of the Obama connection.


But last night's tweet was undoubtedly in retaliation to Rahm's comments, no?


Yeah, probably.

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Chicago is also where the protesters stopped him from speaking during the campaign.


They really didn't though. Everything would have been fine if he had shown up. He- and some of the media- tried to make out like it was a riot. I didn't see anything like that.


Not saying it would not have been fine, but it was portrayed in the media as a victory by the city over Donald Trump.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... est-213728

It was a black eye for him for a few days, and we know he is petty about media coverage.

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I thought that he made similar comments before the election?


Even if he did, it would be quite the coincidence that he brought it back up after Rahm makes comments about him.

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Chicago is also where the protesters stopped him from speaking during the campaign.


They really didn't though. Everything would have been fine if he had shown up. He- and some of the media- tried to make out like it was a riot. I didn't see anything like that.


Not saying it would not have been fine, but it was portrayed in the media as a victory by the city over Donald Trump.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... est-213728

It was a black eye for him for a few days, and we know he is petty about media coverage.



Oh, I'm definitely sure he saw it that way.

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I thought that he made similar comments before the election?


Even if he did, it would be quite the coincidence that he brought it back up after Rahm makes comments about him.


Or he was just keeping a campaign promise.

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