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https://fee.org/articles/what-are-the-c ... terrorist/

These guys tried to figure it out. Top link says 1 out of every 13,000 Muslims is a terrorist. Bottom link says 1 in 5000 is but emphasizes throughout that he is deliberately overestimating as to not take the issue lightly.


This is what has a lot of you so damn afraid?

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If you think about how many Muslims are in the world, either number would be a lot. Frankly, I don't think nearly that many are actual terrorists, but many, many more than that do have values that are inherently contrary to those of modern Western society.

It seems quite odd that we have millions of women marching in the streets over the right to an abortion while at the same time championing the entry into the U.S. of men who believe they are property. Are you going to wear a pink pussy hat to your own honor killing?

I do think the U.S. has a responsibility to these displaced people, particularly since the policies of Bush II/Obama/H. Clinton largely caused their plight. But it's a lot more complicated than some Utopian dream expressed on a sign that says, "NO COUNTRIES, NO BORDERS, JUST HUMANS!"

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The rel question is not how many are terrorist but how many want universal Sharia law,that is close to 100%.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

The real question is why won't you call Trump is a liar?

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Agreed.

It's also not as simple as banning people. It will have no effect on terrorism other than to stir up the terrorist cells that are already here.

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I doubt that is the case. I know more than a few Muslims who practice a non-political form of Islam that is based on their own personal spirituality with traditional Islam as no more than a rough guideline, quite similar to the way most Catholics I know approach their religion. However, none of them was schooled in a madrassa either.

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No reason to speculate.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... -overview/

19% of US Muslims (28% worldwide) believe that suicide bombing is at least sometimes justified to "defend Islam."

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ety-app-a/

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I don't know. Chas is a historian. His numbers are probably more accurate.

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Fareed Zakaria just destroyed Trump.

Here are some stats for you...

Since 1975, the number of Americans killed by the 7 ban countries on American soil: zero

Since 1975, the number of Americans killed by Saudi Arabia (not on the ban list): 2,400 (Trump has hotels in Saudi Arabia)

Odds of being killed by a refugee in a year, as calculated by a Conservative thinktank: 1 in 3.6 billion

Anyone who thinks this EO was a good idea, please respond.

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That isn't really comforting. That would be about 450 million people worldwide and 760,000 in the U.S. who think suicide bombing is justified. We have people flipping their lids because Richard Spencer leads a neo-Nazi group of about 300 dopes.

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You know Islam is THE religion of peace

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So 760,000 in the US believe it's justified, and yet only a handful committed anything close to a terrorist act in the last 15 years? Doesn't add up.

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I think believing something is justified and actually carrying out the act are separate things. We have people here advocating assassination, for God's sake. I would hope they aren't going to carry the idea to its conclusion.

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Yeah that's the point. Somewhere in the comments:

“Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”

Winston Churchill, 1899

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"...no Hmong, go find some blacks"

Of course. We also have people advocating burning down mosques and assaulting Muslims on the street. My point is that if 760,000 people believe something, and 5 of them act on it, how many of that 760,000 actually have strong feelings on it? You'd have to say almost none. At the very least you can't really call any of those people terrorists.

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Somebody sell me on the idea of letting Muslims in the country. I'm tired of telling you why letting them in is a bad idea, you tell me why this country should go out of its way to accommodate them. We dont have a labor shortage or population shrinkage, so there's no economic reason. We cannot take care of our own people who have lived here all their lives, so the humanitarian excuse falls flat as well.

So hit me with it. Why import a bunch of bunch of Muslims? Say something POSITIVE.

Honor killings are illegal here. They're not going to take over the U.S. Were pretty much a Judeo-Christian based country and that's not going to change in our lifetimes

Also, I'd suggest maybe the women you speak of are concerned about women and child refugees.

What better way to attack such anti women lunacy than to bring em here and Americanize em!

Respond to my Zakaria thread and I'll respond to this.

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1. It keeps with what America is suoposed to be all about. Give me your tired, your poor etc
2. May invent the next iphone or cure cancer given a chance at a normal life

Why risk it?

btw- Judeo-christian European countries probably felt the same way and now they are facing a demographic crisis.

The argument is that the ones who are terrorists are already here. Almost all of the attacks in Europe were committed by people born there, not refugees. Aside from 9/11, here too as I recall. SoCal, Orlando, the military guy, etc...

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PEACE. LOVING. PEOPLE.

https://www.ndcourts.gov/court/opinions/20130074.htm
http://www.citypages.com/news/minneapol ... rs-6725381
http://www.startribune.com/man-25-shot- ... 306519811/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rise-of-som ... nneapolis/

This is only Somali's and only in and around Minnesota. I can go on forever, they are terrorizing people particularly in Minneapolis.


Having blinders to the abhorrent behavior of the Saudi's is not Trump specific. But if I can convicne you that non-Saudi's pose just as much a threat as Saudi's does using this argument mean you agree that a refugee ban is a good idea? Citing this number in this context indicates to me you are open to refugee bans. Glad we can meet in the middle.


For now. Why is it a bad thing to solve a problem before it becomes a quagmire? Trump's EO is going to save MANY lives and perhaps trillions of dollars.

Right they breed like fucking rabbits and do not assimilate. The children committing the crimes dynamic is a huge indictment on their ability to become Americans. Generation after generation Muslims will hold these beliefs, this isn't like Mexicans where after two or three generations they are functionally identical to an average American.

Trump's EO is almost certainly going to end in a net loss in American lives and hurt us economically. Terrorists basically never kill us already as it is, and it's going to fuel anti American sentiment internationally and just help radicalize even more Muslims.

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They can be as radicalized as they want as long as they stay in their own countries.

How many children of Muslim immigrants have committed felony crimes here in the US? An astronomically low number. Stop peddling garbage like this. It's straight up lying.

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It's almost impossible you're this naive. Weed is banned in Illinois and yet guess what I do almost every damn day? If Muslims want to kill us bad enough they will get in and do it.

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ITT its 1875


Most of these guys can barely fucking read anything other than the Qu'ran and often come over with zero english skills. They just congregate in their ghettos and exist in a closed economy. Trust me, we aren't missing out on anything.

Not too familiar with Steve Jobs, huh?

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The UK's sexual assault rate is twice that of the USA. Their violent assault rate is almost three times that of the USA. Why do you think that is? They've always had chavs there, but the numbers have never been this extreme.