Do you really think white people are that oppressed they need recognition for another race's civil rights accomplishments? This is the first time I've ever even heard anything remotely close to this complaint.

White people are going to be ok. I promise. If you don't believe that, then take it up with the rich white people who have constructed this society.

Of course white people are going to be okay. It's about recognizing the important contributions that some whites made to the cause. If there is going to be a movement towards better relations between blacks and whites, it might be helpful for people to recognize that the advancements that have been made, were made with some great sacrifices by whites on the behalf of blacks, with no benefit to be had from the whites making the sacrifices. Then maybe the attitude of black VS white might not prevail as much as it does still. Maybe if more black people understood the depth of sacrifices many made, they might not look at all white people as the evil empire. Look at me that way sure.....but not all whites. That is not right or fair. Plus, the families of the sons of bitches that made the heroic sacrifices deserve for them to be honored.

Do you seriously not understand the magnitude of the Emmett Till murder? Had the picture of him never came out it probably never would have become what it did but the photo of him with his face destroyed lying in a casket was an incredibly powerful symbol of the ugly racism of the time. Even in those days with the rampant racism I doubt any black man expected to brutally murdered after supposedly whistling at a white person.

Actually, the kids Till was with (who were from that area in Mississippi) told Emmit that he needed to avoid drawing attention to himself and not to speak to white people unless spoken to, shortly before he whistled. he was a cocky kid from the city did not heed their warnings. There were thousands of murders of blacks by lynching in the south. Florida had the most actually, over 500. Many probably looked just as bad, but their bodies were often buried and Till's was dumped into a river and photographed soon after it was discovered. Yeah, if his body was not discovered and photographs of him were not published as they were, his name would mean nothing, because he really did nothing of substance.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

i thought steve also had a thing about jewish people. should we tell his excellency that schwerner and goodman were jews?

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

I smell a bit....

You could argue that there are MANY people who get too much credit for the Civil Rights Movemement and MANY others who get very little or none at all. Parks and Till are probably on the list for receiving too much. Till is still recognized for several reasons though. His mother opting to leave the casket open helped put a face on the brutality that MANY blacks had to live with daily in the south. MANY whites were outraged that someone could do something like that to a child. He's also still remembered because his murder also showed how little the justice system cares about black lives. Having 2 men kidnap, torture and kill a kid and the entire community knows and they're still acquitted by there peers, I think showed MANY how far away from equality we were. Some may argue this is still true.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Elmhurst Steve wondering why two people who dedicated themselves to advancing the plight of minorities aren't more recognized while he openly discriminates against them is just great.

i thought steve also had a thing about jewish people. should we tell his excellency that schwerner and goodman were jews?

You could argue that there are MANY people who get too much credit for the Civil Rights Movemement and MANY others who get very little or none at all. Parks and Till are probably on the list for receiving too much. Till is still recognized for several reasons though. His mother opting to leave the casket open helped put a face on the brutality that MANY blacks had to live with daily in the south. MANY whites were outraged that someone could do something like that to a child. He's also still remembered because his murder also showed how little the justice system cares about black lives. Having 2 men kidnap, torture and kill a kid and the entire community knows and they're still acquitted by there peers, I think showed MANY how far away from equality we were. Some may argue this is still true.

This is where Elmhurst Steve has it wrong, Particularly in Emmitt Till's case. Emmitt Till was more a victim of Jim Crow than he was a leader of Civil Rights. I don't really believe that people associate him with the movement for Civil Rights. He is more of a symbol than a member and if Steve believes that he somehow receives credit for more than simply dying then he is wrong.



As far as celebrating whites the issue becomes much more complex. While whites were involved in the organizational side of the movement there was an overriding belief that it was blacks that took the majority of risks. There were also a number of blacks that resented the fact that whites were involved at all. That was one of the bones of contention between the NOI and SNCC.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

Pretty ironic that I would argue for more recognition for them.



No, I have never had any problem with Jewsih people. You must be letting all the KKK posts some people have put up on my behalf over the past few years influence you. I have no issues with Jewish people at all.



See this is what I am talking about. It was really the reaction of whites who saw the photo that made a difference. Blacks knew what was going on. But for any real change to take place, whites had to come on board. I agree that the justice system does not treat people fairly. But it's not just black VS white as much as it's rich VS poor.




I agree that he was basically just a victim. I think you are right on the money with your comment about whites being resented by blacks who probably saw them as interlopers, who were not needed or wanted. But I believe the fact that whites got involved and spread the messages made change possible. Many whites would listen to another white person argue the merits of the cause, but wouldn't seriously consider the same if it came from someone that was black. It made it harder to ignore and consider the messages.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

No, I have never had any problem with Jewsih people.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Elmhurst Steve wondering why two people who dedicated themselves to advancing the plight of minorities aren't more recognized while he openly discriminates against them is just great.

Never, huh?

Steve is in Elmhurst, and he's on The Score.

Well actually, I'm in Burbank.

NOBODY CARES!

Our hotel smelled like dead hooker vagina (before you ask I had gotten a detailed description from beardown)

Never, huh?

Steve is in Elmhurst, and he's on The Score.

Well actually, I'm in Burbank.

NOBODY CARES!

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Also,no person should be killed and brutalized because of the color of their skin

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

Strong take.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Not really.

The menstrual cycle changes among Hassidic Jewish women was something as well.

Never could understand why someone like this kid is mentioned so prominently when civil rights month comes along. He did nothing other than whistle at a white woman in Mississippi, for which he was beaten and killed. Same thing with Rosa Parks. Did nothing but refuse to give up her bus seat. Now Michael "Mickey" Schwerner and Andrew Goodman, they went to Mississippi and facing death threats on a daily basis (knowing they were real) went about registering black folks to vote and educating them. They were the two white men who were depicted in the movie Mississippi Burning. They were murdered while knowingly risking their lives in the civil rights cause. Yet their names are never mentioned when civil rights month comes along, nor are any of the names of the white men and women who rode busses in Mississippi along with black folks and were beaten for doing so. Because they were white, their contributions are overlooked. Yet a kid who whistled at a white woman and a woman who wouldn't give up her seat are household names. Not saying that they should be thought of as insignificant figures in history, but compared to people who worked tirelessly in the civil rights movement and knowingly risked their lives for the cause?

This registered sex offender I regularly converse with on the internet just said something really stupid

The "merits of the cause" weren't the primary reason that the Civil Rights Act passed though. The liberation of blacks was occurring in other parts of the world at the time. It was becoming increasingly difficult to justify it here. Blacks also began to make demands too. The justification for Jim Crow was increasingly difficult for to make. There was also a greater mobilization of blacks regarding basic human rights.


I do agree that the role of whites is rarely examined. I disagree with you on the overall impact made by whites. You seem to imply that the Civil Rights Act would never have occurred without the sacrifice that was made by white volunteers. That is debatable. There were contributions made by whites no doubt but when history looks at that period it is difficult for anyone to make the argument that the heavier lifting wasn't done by African Americans.

My point (which you seem to get) is not that whites were more important or nearly equally important to the civil rights cause. It is that their contributions are pretty much ignored altogether. Yes, the heavier lifting was done by those who had much to gain, should they succeed in this cause. What was the incentive for those whites that were beaten and killed working to make the lives of blacks better? Only the satisfaction in knowing they contributed to a cause they deemed worthy of risking their lives for. Not only were their lives not going to be made better from helping, they made their lives harder by doing so. I just think there should be a bit of recognition for what they did.
RR....I am well aware that James Cheney was also beaten and murdered, but my point was in reference to the whites that are not given any recognition and Chaney was black, so it wouldn't make sense to mention him in the post. Perhaps Cheney is not given more recognition because mentioning him would mean mentioning Goodman and Schwerner.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.