i can't wait to see who's in control of trump in February

December - Putin
January - Bannon
February - IBM's Watson?

You've completely lost your marbles haven't you.

Do you really not realize how difficult it is to take any political opinion you have seriously? Listening to you is no different than listening to the DNC chairman. In fact, I think you should run.

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His response in firing her, calling her actions "a betrayal " is bizarre in a democratic republic for a non criminal act. Following it up with the press secretary basically calling for career foreign service officers to toe the party line... or quit is the attitude of a wannabe dictator like Bannon and Republican leadership apparently want.

They certainly have the attempts to silence all dissent part down.

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we got a lot of bored lawers here. maybe one can explain why trump's EO was illegal.

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How is it not wrong? What additional screening measures did Trump and his crew identify were lacking/missing?[/quote]Well, the new administration does have the right to determine their own process for refugees. There isn't even an expectation that we will accept refugees from any country. We probably should accept them in limited numbers but it's not like refugee bans are unheard of. There are a ton of rich countries that are close to these refugees that should be taking a bigger role.

How he did it and how it included green card holders and other people who already are here is borderline impeachable in my opinion.

It seems like some people think there is only one correct answer to the question about bringing in refugees.

This is what is so maddening about Trump. There is a case to be made about how many refugees we take in and a normal guy would have just dealt with that. Instead, he bungles it so bad that we have people shutting down airports and almost everyone has to view his actions as undoubtedly wrong.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/p ... .html?_r=0

In this article they say the DOJ legal counsel already said the order was lawful. Regardless of how we feel about the order or which president it is you really can't have this.

Ms. Yates’s decision had effectively overruled a finding by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which had already approved the executive order “with respect to form and legality.”

Ms. Yates said her determination in deciding not to defend the order was broader, however, and included questions not only about the order’s lawfulness, but also whether it was a “wise or just” policy. She also alluded to unspecified statements the White House had made before signing the order, which she factored into her review.

This is going to be interesting to me. Whether it is this person, the Washington State AG filing suit or I just read California trying to become the first sanctuary state people on the left are upset. We are going to see tactics never seen before as they try to battle Trump.

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It wasn't. See my reply to RR. Dumb and poorly executed sure but not illegal.

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Well, the new administration does have the right to determine their own process for refugees. There isn't even an expectation that we will accept refugees from any country. We probably should accept them in limited numbers but it's not like refugee bans are unheard of. There are a ton of rich countries that are close to these refugees that should be taking a bigger role.

How he did it and how it included green card holders and other people who already are here is borderline impeachable in my opinion.

It seems like some people think there is only one correct answer to the question about bringing in refugees.

This is what is so maddening about Trump. There is a case to be made about how many refugees we take in and a normal guy would have just dealt with that. Instead, he bungles it so bad that we have people shutting down airports and almost everyone has to view his actions as undoubtedly wrong.[/quote]

Strong Take.

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Well, I'm going to guess the green card part of it is ruled illegal.

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A bombing 4 years ago by immigrants who emigrated from none of the 7 banned countries?

There is no ban on Chechens or Kyrgyzstanis though.

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Probably by some judges it will be. I don't know the intricacies of green cards and whether they can be pulled but this got by the DOJ counsel per NYT. The move was dumb as I said but I assume the DOJ counsel is still an Obama holdover for now.

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I certainly consider it morally wrong, but even if it is found to be illegal, couldn't a president revoke green cards at his will? If so, it would really just be a procedural issue.

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Your comment and many who have said this (Bernsie and Goff for one) puzzles me a bit. I have been on board having problems with this order but the argument like yours or the "these aren't the country where 9/11 attackers came from" makes little sense.

We all know there is some possible shadiness to the 7 chosen but past attacks or origins of attackers does not have to be a requirement for a move like this. Hypothetically if our government felt it learned likely Muslim terrorists came from Iceland they should add them to the list. They shouldn't say Iceland did not play a part in past attacks.

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I don't think so. Once you are granted an entitlement, I think due process kicks in.

The rest of it, as mike has said, is probably legal

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The travel and immigration restrictions aren't final. More countries could be added. What it starts is the proper vetting of people coming into this country.

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Keep in mind that Mike's post illogically suggested that DOJ underlings looking at a narrowed issue can and seemingly should be charged with overruling their boss.

And that stripping rights granted to people lawfully present here by broad executive fiat is just

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We don't already properly vet? Could you share what are the deficiencies in the current process?

A good upstanding green card holder from Iraq
http://mobile.wnd.com/2016/07/refugee-a ... s-america/

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I'd be surprised if that was true. I'm guessing it would be even less likely if the ban was to do with religion or country of origin.

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Well, now you're opening a can of worms that Juice's Lecture Notes and yourself cry about all the time. Using one example of sexual assault by a man to paint all men as possible sex offenders.

Plus the man immigrated here in 2003...under President Bush's vetting process.

If the EO is illegal, that is what the media should be focused on and clearly explaining why to the populace. I get three newspapers and troll twitter all day and have not seen anything.

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I realize it makes a nice slogan for a sign, but it would be hard to make a reasonable case that it is a religious ban when Muslims from Egypt, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia, etc. aren't included.

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What was the common theme of the countries that were banned though?

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You don't get it. It doesn't matter what president was in charge. The systems broken. There is a sub section of this refugee population who want to dismantle American values and law in favor of a backwards religion.

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As noted, the Boston bombers were of "Chechen" orgin(not on the "7" list.) They would not have been caught by this policy. Also, while inspired by ISIL, they had no direct connection to any foreign cell. Please educate yourself if you continue in this discussion.

Breeding grounds for terrorists? Countries the U.S. has been bombing?

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