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[Trump is stopping all refugees from coming in.


for four months. It appears that Obama blocked Syrian refugees for four YEARS!


12,000 > 0.

I'm sure that refugees will be pouring into the country in four months.

Now, get back to work. Those goalposts aren't going to move themselves.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:35 am 
pittmike wrote:
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His response in firing her, calling her actions "a betrayal " is bizarre in a democratic republic for a non criminal act. Following it up with the press secretary basically calling for career foreign service officers to toe the party line... or quit is the attitude of a wannabe dictator like Bannon and Republican leadership apparently want.

They certainly have the attempts to silence all dissent part down.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/p ... .html?_r=0

In this article they say the DOJ legal counsel already said the order was lawful. Regardless of how we feel about the order or which president it is you really can't have this.

Ms. Yates’s decision had effectively overruled a finding by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which had already approved the executive order “with respect to form and legality.”

Ms. Yates said her determination in deciding not to defend the order was broader, however, and included questions not only about the order’s lawfulness, but also whether it was a “wise or just” policy. She also alluded to unspecified statements the White House had made before signing the order, which she factored into her review.


This is going to be interesting to me. Whether it is this person, the Washington State AG filing suit or I just read California trying to become the first sanctuary state people on the left are upset. We are going to see tactics never seen before as they try to battle Trump.


The highlighted portion is most important in the discussion.

The folks who approved the EO are at least in part, people who worked in the AG office during the Obama administration. They approved an order which was also done during Obama's terms in office for all refugees coming from Iraq and Syria.


I wasn't sayin' I was just sayin'.

Have you told us what is wrong with the current vetting process yet?


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That probably says we aren't allowing them to pour into our country and that our 18 to 24 month vetting process has been effective.


You have posted this twice now. Can you point me to the process? I don't remember it before and it seems people are coming from there faster than that albeit in much smaller numbers than Europe by far.


Which is it? Mike says they are flooding in, and Hatchetman says Obummer didn't let enough in.

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Can one person explain how this makes the U.S. safer, please?

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Baby McNown wrote:
pittmike wrote:
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pittmike wrote:
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His response in firing her, calling her actions "a betrayal " is bizarre in a democratic republic for a non criminal act. Following it up with the press secretary basically calling for career foreign service officers to toe the party line... or quit is the attitude of a wannabe dictator like Bannon and Republican leadership apparently want.

They certainly have the attempts to silence all dissent part down.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/p ... .html?_r=0

In this article they say the DOJ legal counsel already said the order was lawful. Regardless of how we feel about the order or which president it is you really can't have this.

Ms. Yates’s decision had effectively overruled a finding by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which had already approved the executive order “with respect to form and legality.”

Ms. Yates said her determination in deciding not to defend the order was broader, however, and included questions not only about the order’s lawfulness, but also whether it was a “wise or just” policy. She also alluded to unspecified statements the White House had made before signing the order, which she factored into her review.


This is going to be interesting to me. Whether it is this person, the Washington State AG filing suit or I just read California trying to become the first sanctuary state people on the left are upset. We are going to see tactics never seen before as they try to battle Trump.


The highlighted portion is most important in the discussion.

The folks who approved the EO are at least in part, people who worked in the AG office during the Obama administration. They approved an order which was also done during Obama's terms in office for all refugees coming from Iraq and Syria.


I wasn't sayin' I was just sayin'.

Have you told us what is wrong with the current vetting process yet?


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Trump will eventually let in 13,000 Syrian refugees and the left will anoint him the Great Humanitarian.

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Trump will eventually let in 13,000 Syrian refugees and the left will anoint him the Great Humanitarian.



It's healthy for all of us that the press is once again interested in doing their job.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:38 am 
Seacrest wrote:
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pittmike wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
pittmike wrote:
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His response in firing her, calling her actions "a betrayal " is bizarre in a democratic republic for a non criminal act. Following it up with the press secretary basically calling for career foreign service officers to toe the party line... or quit is the attitude of a wannabe dictator like Bannon and Republican leadership apparently want.

They certainly have the attempts to silence all dissent part down.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/p ... .html?_r=0

In this article they say the DOJ legal counsel already said the order was lawful. Regardless of how we feel about the order or which president it is you really can't have this.

Ms. Yates’s decision had effectively overruled a finding by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which had already approved the executive order “with respect to form and legality.”

Ms. Yates said her determination in deciding not to defend the order was broader, however, and included questions not only about the order’s lawfulness, but also whether it was a “wise or just” policy. She also alluded to unspecified statements the White House had made before signing the order, which she factored into her review.


This is going to be interesting to me. Whether it is this person, the Washington State AG filing suit or I just read California trying to become the first sanctuary state people on the left are upset. We are going to see tactics never seen before as they try to battle Trump.


The highlighted portion is most important in the discussion.

The folks who approved the EO are at least in part, people who worked in the AG office during the Obama administration. They approved an order which was also done during Obama's terms in office for all refugees coming from Iraq and Syria.


I wasn't sayin' I was just sayin'.

Have you told us what is wrong with the current vetting process yet?


Thanks for stopping by again.

Seacrest I had the honor of being at the mass said by Cardinal Cupich on Sunday. It would have been good for you to hear his homily. My guess is you would have stormed out.


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Seacrest wrote:
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pittmike wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
pittmike wrote:
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His response in firing her, calling her actions "a betrayal " is bizarre in a democratic republic for a non criminal act. Following it up with the press secretary basically calling for career foreign service officers to toe the party line... or quit is the attitude of a wannabe dictator like Bannon and Republican leadership apparently want.

They certainly have the attempts to silence all dissent part down.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/p ... .html?_r=0

In this article they say the DOJ legal counsel already said the order was lawful. Regardless of how we feel about the order or which president it is you really can't have this.

Ms. Yates’s decision had effectively overruled a finding by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which had already approved the executive order “with respect to form and legality.”

Ms. Yates said her determination in deciding not to defend the order was broader, however, and included questions not only about the order’s lawfulness, but also whether it was a “wise or just” policy. She also alluded to unspecified statements the White House had made before signing the order, which she factored into her review.


This is going to be interesting to me. Whether it is this person, the Washington State AG filing suit or I just read California trying to become the first sanctuary state people on the left are upset. We are going to see tactics never seen before as they try to battle Trump.


The highlighted portion is most important in the discussion.

The folks who approved the EO are at least in part, people who worked in the AG office during the Obama administration. They approved an order which was also done during Obama's terms in office for all refugees coming from Iraq and Syria.


I wasn't sayin' I was just sayin'.

Have you told us what is wrong with the current vetting process yet?


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Seacrest I had the honor of being at the mass said by Cardinal Cupich on Sunday. It would have been good for you to hear his homily. My guess is you would have stormed out.


Thanks for sharing your guess.

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Can one person explain how this makes the U.S. safer, please?


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It's officially a great thread once Seacrest enters with condescending posts that contribute absolutely nothing.


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It's officially a great thread once Seacrest enters with condescending posts that contribute absolutely nothing.


Responding with kindness to someone who judges me negatively without reason is condescesion?

You must be a blast at work and parties. :lol: :lol:

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Trump will eventually let in 13,000 Syrian refugees and the left will anoint him the Great Humanitarian.


Of the 13,000 that are of "working age" most will quickly assimilate into American society, holding successful, well paying jobs. "Joe the Plumber" will then decry that these refugees are taking all the good jobs in this country.(When the reality of the situation is these jobs were sitting unfilled before the refugees came due to a lack of unqualified candidates.)


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It's officially a great thread once Seacrest enters with condescending posts that contribute absolutely nothing.


Responding with kindness to someone who judges me negatively without reason is condescesion?

You must be a blast at work and parties. :lol: :lol:


That statement assume Kirkwood has any friends who would invite him to a party

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It's officially a great thread once Seacrest enters with condescending posts that contribute absolutely nothing.


Responding with kindness to someone who judges me negatively without reason is condescesion?

You must be a blast at work and parties. :lol: :lol:

Have a blessed day.


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I realize it makes a nice slogan for a sign, but it would be hard to make a reasonable case that it is a religious ban when Muslims from Egypt, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia, etc. aren't included.
What was the common theme of the countries that were banned though?


They are all god awful hot

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Kirkwood wrote:
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It's officially a great thread once Seacrest enters with condescending posts that contribute absolutely nothing.


Responding with kindness to someone who judges me negatively without reason is condescesion?

You must be a blast at work and parties. :lol: :lol:

Have a blessed day.


Oh, honey. :lol:

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[Can you at least try to understand what you are complaining about?


No, I'm talking about Syria. Do a little research and find out how many Syrian refugees we've taken in since their civil war started in 2011.


The U.S. brought in 12,000 Syrian refugees since the Civil War, and 10,000 in 2016 alone.


12,000 in five years is nothing. what did the rest of the world do in comparison? how many people died in the war?


That probably says we aren't allowing them to pour into our country and that our 18 to 24 month vetting process has been effective.


Well when you ban them for four years ,you know the number will be kinda low, Thanks Obama

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:55 pm 
Then tell me how I'm wrong. You aren't hiding the fact you are in favor of this. The Cardinal flat said as a Catholic you should be against it. Where is my disconnect?


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The only people who have a legal constitutional right to enter the United States are its citizens ,not even green card holders. According to Law long codified the President can block entrance to any person or class of persons if he deems them a threat to the United States.

This is all revolving around whether we are obligated to take refugees. There is a difference between refugees and immigrants.
This hue and cry that we have to take them is strange claiming that it is a moral thing to do, it is in a Judaeo Christian society ,which until this came around we where constantly being told we where not. The majority of these same people clamoring for these peoples entrance come from a narrow segment of the USA population. An Oct nationwide survey said that 65% of Americans favored a temporary ban of refugees coming into the country. Why because they see what is happening in places like Sweden and Norway,places that until they took people from these places in did not lock doors, places that saw an increase of over 200% in violent crime.
But Jesus himself said to fix your own house before you try fixing someone elses.
Plus, there is a rumor I heard on one of the shows this might be a prelude to setting up of safe areas in Muslim areas for them instead of
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The only people who have a legal constitutional right to enter the United States are its citizens ,not even green card holders. According to Law long codified the President can block entrance to any person or class of persons if he deems them a threat to the United States.

This is all revolving around whether we are obligated to take refugees. There is a difference between refugees and immigrants.
This hue and cry that we have to take them is strange claiming that it is a moral thing to do, it is in a Judaeo Christian society ,which until this came around we where constantly being told we where not. The majority of these same people clamoring for these peoples entrance come from a narrow segment of the USA population. An Oct nationwide survey said that 65% of Americans favored a temporary ban of refugees coming into the country. Why because they see what is happening in places like Sweden and Norway,places that until they took people from these places in did lock doors, places that saw an increase of over 200% in violent crime.
But Jesus himself said to fix your own house before you try fixing someone elses.
Plus, there is a rumor I heard on one of the shows this might be a prelude to setting up of safe areas in Muslim areas for them instead of
bring them to the Western Nations.


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Chus wrote:
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The only people who have a legal constitutional right to enter the United States are its citizens ,not even green card holders. According to Law long codified the President can block entrance to any person or class of persons if he deems them a threat to the United States.

This is all revolving around whether we are obligated to take refugees. There is a difference between refugees and immigrants.
This hue and cry that we have to take them is strange claiming that it is a moral thing to do, it is in a Judaeo Christian society ,which until this came around we where constantly being told we where not. The majority of these same people clamoring for these peoples entrance come from a narrow segment of the USA population. An Oct nationwide survey said that 65% of Americans favored a temporary ban of refugees coming into the country. Why because they see what is happening in places like Sweden and Norway,places that until they took people from these places in did lock doors, places that saw an increase of over 200% in violent crime.
But Jesus himself said to fix your own house before you try fixing someone elses.
Plus, there is a rumor I heard on one of the shows this might be a prelude to setting up of safe areas in Muslim areas for them instead of
bring them to the Western Nations.


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But they are just women and children these refugees:
https://www.funker530.com/recent-propaganda-video/

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Can one person explain how this makes the U.S. safer, please?


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This is what I was saying earlier
https://medium.com/@jakefuentes/the-imm ... .jae7basiv

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the administration is deliberately testing the limits of governmental checks and balances to set up a self-serving, dangerous consolidation of power.

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1. We launch a series of Executive Orders in the first week. Beforehand, we identify one that our opponents will complain loudly about and will dominate the news cycle. Immigration ban. Perfect.

2. We craft the ban to be about 20% more extreme than we actually want it to be — say, let’s make the explicit decision to block green card holders from defined countries from entering the US, rather than just visa holders. We create some confusion so that we can walk back from that part later, but let’s make sure that it’s enforced to begin with.

3. We watch our opposition pour out into the streets protesting the extremes of our public measure, exactly as we intended. The protests dominate the news, but our base doesn’t watch CNN anyway. The ACLU will file motions to oppose the most extreme parts of our measure, that’s actually going to be useful too. We don’t actually care if we win, that’s why we made it more extreme than it needed to be. But in doing so, the lawsuit process will test the loyalty of those enforcing what we say.

4. While the nation’s attention is on our extreme EO, slip a few more nuanced moves through. For example, reconfigure the National Security Council so that it’s led by our inner circle. Or gut the State Department’s ability to resist more extreme moves. That will have massive benefits down the road — the NSC are the folks that authorize secret assassinations against enemies of the state, including American citizens. Almost nobody has time to analyze that move closely, and those that do can’t get coverage.

5. When the lawsuits filed by the ACLU inevitably succeed, stay silent. Don’t tell the DHS to abide by the what the federal judge says, see what they do on their own. If they capitulate to the courts, we know our power with the DHS is limited and we need to staff it with more loyal people. But if they continue enforcing our EO until we tell them not to, we know that we can completely ignore the judicial branch later on and the DHS will have our back.

6. Once the DHS has made their move, walk back from the 20% we didn’t want in the first place. Let the green card holders in, and pretend that’s what we meant all along. The protestors and the ACLU, both clamoring to display their efficacy, jump on the moment to declare a huge victory. The crowds dissipate, they have to go back to work.

7. When the dust settles, we have 100% of the Executive Order we originally wanted, we’ve tested the loyalty of a department we’ll need later on, we’ve proven we can ignore an entire branch of government, and we’ve slipped in some subtle moves that will make the next test even easier.


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