I actually never did any such thing. The nature of the game is such that a great big man is simply going to be more important than a great guard. That's why you see teams draft Shawn Bradley in the first round. It's really not much different than saying that the greatest OL couldn't possibly be greater than the greatest QB.



Again, I never did any such thing. My reference to field goal percentage was a rebuttal to leash's preposterous claim that Jordan was somehow a "more effective" post player than Shaq. It really doesn't help your argument to mischaracterize what I wrote.



So you agree that Jordan had a flaw in his game.

Free throw shooting is a silly complaint used by white suburban guys who hit 70% in their driveways to diminish the impact of guys like Shaq and Wilt. Most games that had Shaq and Wilt in them didn't come down to free throws at the end.

I know that Jerry Krause is a whipping boy when it comes to the Bulls, but it can't be denied that he created a situation for Jordan to thrive. I think it's entirely possible that in a different world he could have been George Gervin and we wouldn't be having this discussion.



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We are looking at it using different criteria. Using your criteria, Mike Alstott could be considered a GOAT because he was that much better than the rest of the fullbacks that played in his era.

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Awful if we're being honest.

I don't think any less of you, though.

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You're doing pretty poorly if I'm being honest. All you did is deny that you wrote what you wrote. That's fine, but the fact is if I mischractierized your argument than you didn't even make one yet in this argument. It sounds nice to say games didn't come down to Shaq's free throws but you still have to account for the fact that Jordan absolutely dwarfs him in both individual and team accomplishments.

Guys like Rick, leash, and I you want to dismiss as biased Bulls fans. But we know who the best player of all time is. You cant decide if it's shaq, wilt, or magic. Might wanna narrow down that before trying again at this argument

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Brady played uphill both ways and with balls half the normal inflation

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Here you go,only 1+2+3 involve the current regime

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/the-new-england-patriots-4-biggest-scandals.html/?a=viewall

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I know they cheated, I was wondering if could provide a geographical location as to where it happened?

Obviously Rick meant Eli Manning.

2-0 in Super Bowls against Tom Brady.

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Holy shit was that article dumb.

1. They routed the Colts even worse in the second half, than they did in the first half. Then they beat Seattle to win the Super Bowl. The NFL handled that situation far worse than the Patriots did. The Pats are partying, while Goodell got booed off the stage.

2. Under the rules at the time, that play was completely legal. It's just stupid to include this.

3. They absolutely cheated here, and they were punished for it.

4. Nothing to do with Belichick or Brady. And it's more home field advantage than cheating anyway.

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Is this the fake news Hillary wants to ban?

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I know almost nothing about NBA basketball but for anyone to argue that Jordan isn't the best of all time is insane. His colleagues all agree,well except for Pippen. It was proven when he was banished from the game the Bulls did not win it all ,then he comes back and bingo 3 in a row. That proves it right there he could elevate a good team to greatness. Plus,he has to be the most competitive prson in the history of the game. That alone would make me take him over anyone. A great player who hates to lose. Lord,that alone makes him ten times better than LeBron.

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Have you heard Lebron James speak lately? He clearly wants to win.

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No. And the greatest rapper doesnt have to be from NY either.


Ill defer to you on greatest horse has to be from Kentucky but that seems silly too.

I recently heard Ryan Clark make a "Brady had better defenses and more talent around him" about Manning.

The Colts had how many pro bowl guys on offense? Harrison, Wayne, Faulk, James, Saturday etc

Holy shit. Im a Marvin Harisin hater but hes better than Julian fucking Edelman

Jim Brown has an argument against Rice.

Peyton hit the apex of QBing for a few years. Nobody could be better in reg season.

55% for his career. 2 years above 60!

Shazam had to be taken out of tight games late because of the ft shooting. That, like all lives, matters

I read JORR's argument as not necessarily Shaq vs Jordan, but more so a "who would you take" kinda debate in which the choices are someone 7'1 and virtually unstoppable in the paint, and a 6'6 dude who can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. Jordan and Shaq are obvious examples of these prototypes but the debate is not to compare their legacies, it's to argue which type of player would you take when starting a franchise. If health and soft skills like hard work and determination are guaranteed from the outset, then yeah I'd say there's going to be a healthy debate over picking the "Shaq-like" player vs the "Jordan-like" player. It's hard for me to be neutral because I grew up in the era of the small guy doing everything for a team (AI, Marbury, Kidd, Kobe, VC, etc.), so I may be partial to the guy who plays like Jordan, but starting a team with a 7'1 guy at 300lbs or whatever is tempting as hell.

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You can interchange several great centers as the best center ever. That alone should be the end of the argument. You cant do that with Jordan because no one compares. He's the best of all time.

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Wow. You should have cashed that ticket IMO. When in doubt it goes to the QB though.

I just looked it up and the last time a RB won the SB MVP was Terrell Davis in 98.

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The greatest rapper probably is from New York. The greatest horse is not from Kentucky.

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If we throw out the centers, why are you so convinced Jordan was better than Magic?

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My age and city bias probably

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Yeah, if you took one of the great centers- Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Shaq- and put him on different teams with wide arrays of different players, I just think he's going to be more valuable than even the ultimate premium guard in Jordan or Magic.

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Honestly probably the fact that so many NBA players from that era talk about how Jordan is the best of all time I'm not sure if Magic's ever come out and actually said it but I believe he has

Fair enough. And look, I'm not going to say that anyone is wrong for suggesting Jordan was greater than Magic, just that it isn't some easily dismissible absurdity to go the other way.

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