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To me, the hard ride the Dems gave her just highlights how spineless they really are. S[b]he's a relatively meaningless appointment but the oil baron, the predatory lenders, and the Grand Wizard sail right through.


Agreed. Impacts to your schools occur at a grass roots level. Get involved with your school board. I voted for Obama twice but Arnie Duncan and his "common core" can fuck right off.


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To me, the hard ride the Dems gave her just highlights how spineless they really are. She's a relatively meaningless appointment but the oil baron, the predatory lenders, and the Grand Wizard sail right through.


Yep. And even if they denied her, Trump would find someone as bad or worst.

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To me, the hard ride the Dems gave her just highlights how spineless they really are. S[b]he's a relatively meaningless appointment but the oil baron, the predatory lenders, and the Grand Wizard sail right through.


Agreed. Impacts to your schools occur at a grass roots level. Get involved with your school board. I voted for Obama twice but Arnie Duncan and his "common core" can fuck right off.


This is a generally overlooked Obama move. This lady is not likely to do too much damage I would hope.

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 Post subject: Re: Betsy DeVos
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To me, the hard ride the Dems gave her just highlights how spineless they really are. She's a relatively meaningless appointment but the oil baron, the predatory lenders, and the Grand Wizard sail right through.


I find it telling that there isn't even a vote for 3 weeks to find a new chair of the DNC. These clowns can't even find a leader and focused plan of action after months.

And I disagree about "meaningless". The percentage of federal funding of public education isn't massive, but still critical with shrinking budgets. I also wonder what kind of havoc she will play with federal student loans and grants.

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They fought this one tooth and nail too. Put every resource into it, and still lost. The Dems really got this "losing" thing down 'eh'.


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To me, the hard ride the Dems gave her just highlights how spineless they really are. She's a relatively meaningless appointment but the oil baron, the predatory lenders, and the Grand Wizard sail right through.

They knew this was the one scalp they could get but they couldn't even get that.

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If someone as bad as her can get in, ANYONE can get in.

You really think it can't get worse than her?


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If someone as bad as her can get in, ANYONE can get in.

You really think it can't get worse than her?



Pretty sure it already has.

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 Post subject: Re: Betsy DeVos
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If her tenure is eventually summed up by "inaction" she won't be as bad as Duncan.


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People are being melodramatic. We didn't even have a Dept of Education until relatively recently. I don't think having a Sec of Education who is out of line with people's views is that big of a deal.

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People are being melodramatic. We didn't even have a Dept of Education until relatively recently. I don't think having a Sec of Education who is out of line with people's views is that big of a deal.

Im sure its all the same to South of I-80 rubes. There's no common core standards for cow tippin.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
To me, the hard ride the Dems gave her just highlights how spineless they really are. She's a relatively meaningless appointment but the oil baron, the predatory lenders, and the Grand Wizard sail right through.


Yep. And even if they denied her, Trump would find someone as bad or worst.


I don't think that would be possible.

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People are being melodramatic. We didn't even have a Dept of Education until relatively recently. I don't think having a Sec of Education who is out of line with people's views is that big of a deal.

Im sure its all the same to South of I-80 rubes. There's no common core standards for cow tippin.


That right there my friends is the attitude why the Democrats fucking lost .

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People are being melodramatic. We didn't even have a Dept of Education until relatively recently. I don't think having a Sec of Education who is out of line with people's views is that big of a deal.
I don't think it's wrong to expect at least some level of experience when a high level position is filled. The fact that you're shrugging it off is kind of sad. We should expect more out of our leaders.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
People are being melodramatic. We didn't even have a Dept of Education until relatively recently. I don't think having a Sec of Education who is out of line with people's views is that big of a deal.

Im sure its all the same to South of I-80 rubes. There's no common core standards for cow tippin.


That right there my friends is the attitude why the Democrats fucking lost .

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People are being melodramatic. We didn't even have a Dept of Education until relatively recently. I don't think having a Sec of Education who is out of line with people's views is that big of a deal.


with people griping i just ask without googling to tell me the name of 1 of the past handful of people that held that position and name 1 thing they enacted that had a positive impact on the state of public schools in this country. *crickets*

we are griping about positions we didn't know existed being filled by people we didn't know existed.

yeah i know. call me comrade.


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we are griping about positions we didn't know existed being filled by people we didn't know existed.

I'm pretty sure people knew there was a Secretary of Education prior to Betsy DeVos.


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we are griping about positions we didn't know existed being filled by people we didn't know existed.

I'm pretty sure people knew there was a Secretary of Education prior to Betsy DeVos.


Yeah, that was a pretty dumb thought.

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People are being melodramatic. We didn't even have a Dept of Education until relatively recently. I don't think having a Sec of Education who is out of line with people's views is that big of a deal.
I don't think it's wrong to expect at least some level of experience when a high level position is filled. The fact that you're shrugging it off is kind of sad. We should expect more out of our leaders.


Those of us who hate Trump need to start picking battles, Zippy. I am far more worried about our president mocking federal judges. This broad has no power.

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we are griping about positions we didn't know existed being filled by people we didn't know existed.

I'm pretty sure people knew there was a Secretary of Education prior to Betsy DeVos.


Yeah, that was a pretty dumb thought.

It's funny that he keeps repeating it too, even though multiple people have called him out on it and the name Arne Duncan has already been mentioned multiple times. :lol:

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People are being melodramatic. We didn't even have a Dept of Education until relatively recently. I don't think having a Sec of Education who is out of line with people's views is that big of a deal.
I don't think it's wrong to expect at least some level of experience when a high level position is filled. The fact that you're shrugging it off is kind of sad. We should expect more out of our leaders.


Those of us who hate Trump need to start picking battles, Zippy. I am far more worried about our president mocking federal judges. This broad has no power.


No power? Arne Duncan already hosed schools over with Common Core requirements and he wasn't even trying to actively fuck things up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ans ... afba6bff44


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People are being melodramatic. We didn't even have a Dept of Education until relatively recently. I don't think having a Sec of Education who is out of line with people's views is that big of a deal.
I don't think it's wrong to expect at least some level of experience when a high level position is filled. The fact that you're shrugging it off is kind of sad. We should expect more out of our leaders.


Those of us who hate Trump need to start picking battles, Zippy. I am far more worried about our president mocking federal judges. This broad has no power.


No power? Arne Duncan already hosed schools over with Common Core requirements and he wasn't even trying to actively fuck things up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ans ... afba6bff44


The American education system is an embarrassment relative to our level of wealth and has been for some time. I don't really give a fuck if some Conservative broad tries to make changes. Maybe it will be the push we need to actually try to figure out why our children can barely calculate basic fractions.

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Because people freak out about things like Common Core.

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The American education system is an embarrassment relative to our level of wealth and has been for some time. I don't really give a fuck if some Conservative broad tries to make changes. Maybe it will be the push we need to actually try to figure out why our children can barely calculate basic fractions.


Not giving a fuck is exactly what got Trump elected, doesn't seem like a great plan for someone that said they hated Trump.


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The American education system is an embarrassment relative to our level of wealth and has been for some time. I don't really give a fuck if some Conservative broad tries to make changes. Maybe it will be the push we need to actually try to figure out why our children can barely calculate basic fractions.


Not giving a fuck is exactly what got Trump elected, doesn't seem like a great plan for someone that said they hated Trump.


Yes, I've clearly been someone who minces words about Trump. :roll:

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KDdidit wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
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People are being melodramatic. We didn't even have a Dept of Education until relatively recently. I don't think having a Sec of Education who is out of line with people's views is that big of a deal.
I don't think it's wrong to expect at least some level of experience when a high level position is filled. The fact that you're shrugging it off is kind of sad. We should expect more out of our leaders.


Those of us who hate Trump need to start picking battles, Zippy. I am far more worried about our president mocking federal judges. This broad has no power.


No power? Arne Duncan already hosed schools over with Common Core requirements and he wasn't even trying to actively fuck things up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ans ... afba6bff44


The American education system is an embarrassment relative to our level of wealth and has been for some time. I don't really give a fuck if some Conservative broad tries to make changes. Maybe it will be the push we need to actually try to figure out why our children can barely calculate basic fractions.


I don't think you will like her changes.

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The American education system is an embarrassment relative to our level of wealth and has been for some time. I don't really give a fuck if some Conservative broad tries to make changes. Maybe it will be the push we need to actually try to figure out why our children can barely calculate basic fractions.


Not giving a fuck is exactly what got Trump elected, doesn't seem like a great plan for someone that said they hated Trump.


Yes, I've clearly been someone who minces words about Trump. :roll:


I don't get the eye roll. If you hate Trump there's no reason to be picking battles or shrugging your shoulders about someone incompetent getting confirmed for a Cabinet position. There's no benefit to compromising.


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