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The American education system is an embarrassment relative to our level of wealth and has been for some time. I don't really give a fuck if some Conservative broad tries to make changes. Maybe it will be the push we need to actually try to figure out why our children can barely calculate basic fractions.


Not giving a fuck is exactly what got Trump elected, doesn't seem like a great plan for someone that said they hated Trump.


Yes, I've clearly been someone who minces words about Trump. :roll:


I don't get the eye roll. If you hate Trump there's no reason to be picking battles or shrugging your shoulders about someone incompetent getting confirmed for a Cabinet position. There's no benefit to compromising.


When everything is a priority, nothing is a priority.

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The American education system is an embarrassment relative to our level of wealth and has been for some time. I don't really give a fuck if some Conservative broad tries to make changes. Maybe it will be the push we need to actually try to figure out why our children can barely calculate basic fractions.


Not giving a fuck is exactly what got Trump elected, doesn't seem like a great plan for someone that said they hated Trump.


Yes, I've clearly been someone who minces words about Trump. :roll:


I don't get the eye roll. If you hate Trump there's no reason to be picking battles or shrugging your shoulders about someone incompetent getting confirmed for a Cabinet position. There's no benefit to compromising.


When everything is a priority, nothing is a priority.


That's silly. You can be concerned about MANY issues at the same time and several can be extremely important.

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The American education system is an embarrassment relative to our level of wealth and has been for some time. I don't really give a fuck if some Conservative broad tries to make changes. Maybe it will be the push we need to actually try to figure out why our children can barely calculate basic fractions.


Not giving a fuck is exactly what got Trump elected, doesn't seem like a great plan for someone that said they hated Trump.


Yes, I've clearly been someone who minces words about Trump. :roll:


I don't get the eye roll. If you hate Trump there's no reason to be picking battles or shrugging your shoulders about someone incompetent getting confirmed for a Cabinet position. There's no benefit to compromising.


When everything is a priority, nothing is a priority.


That's silly. You can be concerned about MANY issues at the same time and several can be extremely important.


Well, thank God we didn't elect Hillary because she didn't give a shit about any of them.

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What would you recommend he use?

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You can't get Hillary off your tongue.


What would you recommend he use?


If he likes the taste he can keep it.

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What would you recommend he use?


If he likes the taste he can keep it.


:lol:

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leashyourkids wrote:
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The American education system is an embarrassment relative to our level of wealth and has been for some time. I don't really give a fuck if some Conservative broad tries to make changes. Maybe it will be the push we need to actually try to figure out why our children can barely calculate basic fractions.


Not giving a fuck is exactly what got Trump elected, doesn't seem like a great plan for someone that said they hated Trump.


Yes, I've clearly been someone who minces words about Trump. :roll:


I don't get the eye roll. If you hate Trump there's no reason to be picking battles or shrugging your shoulders about someone incompetent getting confirmed for a Cabinet position. There's no benefit to compromising.


When everything is a priority, nothing is a priority.


The party that didn't compromise won the Presidency with an idiot, controls the House and Senate, and gets to appoint an extra Supreme Court justice.


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KDdidit wrote:
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The American education system is an embarrassment relative to our level of wealth and has been for some time. I don't really give a fuck if some Conservative broad tries to make changes. Maybe it will be the push we need to actually try to figure out why our children can barely calculate basic fractions.


Not giving a fuck is exactly what got Trump elected, doesn't seem like a great plan for someone that said they hated Trump.


Yes, I've clearly been someone who minces words about Trump. :roll:


I don't get the eye roll. If you hate Trump there's no reason to be picking battles or shrugging your shoulders about someone incompetent getting confirmed for a Cabinet position. There's no benefit to compromising.


When everything is a priority, nothing is a priority.


The party that didn't compromise won the Presidency with an idiot, controls the House and Senate, and gets to appoint an extra Supreme Court justice.


That's quite the oversimplification. I would say "well done" if it were warranted.

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Why are you so openly hostile about the idea that fighting against someone who you think is dangerous every chance you can is somehow a bad idea? Assuming you can just turn it on for when something really important comes up isn't a luxury. That moment was in the general election and it didn't happen.


Plus you can't really talk about oversimplication when you just dropped the "When everything is a priority..." line


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Why are you so openly hostile about the idea that fighting against someone who you think is dangerous every chance you can is somehow a bad idea? Assuming you can just turn it on for when something really important comes up isn't a luxury. That moment was in the general election and it didn't happen.


Plus you can't really talk about oversimplication when you just dropped the "When everything is a priority..." line

Aren't you guys essentially arguing over the difference between saying "oh well, it's not the worst thing Trump's done" and "this is a terrible pick and will have horrible consequences"? Seems like either way saying one of those on a message board isn't really fighting or compromising.

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Saying that the position holds no power while complaining that the last person to hold it was a disaster is also a thing.

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Saying that the position holds no power while complaining that the last person to hold it was a disaster is also a thing.


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Why do you say that? I'd like to be educated on this because I see his run at CPS and DE as having little impact.

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Is Arnie a friend of yours? Because Arne Duncan was a fucking disaster as Secretary of Education.


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Is Arnie a friend of yours? Because Arne Duncan was a fucking disaster as Secretary of Education.


He can't be a very close friend if he doesn't know his name. :lol:

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He was a God damn disaster.

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Why aren't feminists outraged over the staunch opposition to DeVos when Mnuchin and Tillerson got relatively easy rides?

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Duncan really screwed things up worse, which was quite a task considering Bush's legacy. DeVos will be even worse.

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http://idea.ed.gov/ the website for the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act has been down since last night, I'm sure it's just down so they can announce all the wonderful improvements they're going to make to it.


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I mean what kind of person whose full time job it is to work with individuals with disabilities would be concerned about the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act?


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Say Billy, what's your handicap?

Betsy DeVos, sir.

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Why do you say that? I'd like to be educated on this because I see his run at CPS and DE as having little impact.


I think accountability is a good thing. His higher education reforms like eliminating the FFELP were good. At the lower levels I believe that the incentives and success of some of the pilot programs implemented throughout the country could be a blueprint for poorer communities.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/devos-backlash-sees-left-threatening-homeschool-kids-which-she-supports-n718041?cid=par-xfinity_20170209

DeVos Backlash Sees Parents Threatening to Homeschool Kids

Among the initial opposition to Betsy DeVos' confirmation this week as education secretary were calls on social media by parents, including liberals, to start homeschooling their children.

That reaction to DeVos — a billionaire school-choice advocate who has never worked, attended or sent her kids to a public school — reflects how polarizing her nomination was.

It also comes layered with paradox.

That's because DeVos, whom the Senate confirmed Tuesday to head the Education Department, is herself a big proponent of homeschooling.


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In a 2013 interview with Philanthropy magazine, DeVos, who has invested in private and charter schools and is an advocate for their expansion, said homeschooling was "another perfectly valid educational option."

She continued: "We've seen more and more people opt for homeschooling, including in urban areas. What you're seeing is parents who are fed up with their lack of power to do anything about where their kids are assigned to go to school. To the extent that homeschooling puts parents back in charge of their kids' education, more power to them."

DeVos' emphasis on school choice is a natural fit for the homeschool movement, whose members span the political spectrum but are largely conservative Christians who resist government oversight. That group has helped fuel remarkable growth in recent years, carrying the movement from the fringe and closer to the mainstream.

An estimated 1.8 million children were homeschooled in 2012, up from 850,000 three years earlier, according to an Education Department survey published last June.

With the movement's growth has come increased clout, which has resulted in homeschooling's becoming legal in every state. But each state has different regulations on curriculum, background checks, testing and vaccination — raising concerns about abuse and neglect, as documented in a 2015 investigation by ProPublica and Slate.

But with the rise of homeschooling, and the internet, there is a growing community of support for homeschooling parents and their children.

Now they may have a champion in DeVos.

Until her nomination, DeVos served as chairwoman of the American Federation of Children, a group that advocates for education savings accounts, which redirect public school funds for use by parents to pay for other options, including expenses associated with homeschooling. DeVos could push for states to implement them.

"DeVos would love nothing better than for parents to decide to spend their money on private Christian schools ... or to homeschool them using Christian curriculums," said Milton Gaither, an education professor at Messiah College in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who researches the homeschool movement and wrote a book about it.

Asked whether it seemed ironic that some liberals were now talking about homeschooling, Gaither said no: In a sense, those potential converts would mark a return to the fold of left-wing parents who gave helped give birth to the movement in the early 1970s.

"If they take it seriously enough and do it, they will find themselves in world populated by conservative Christians and people like Betsy DeVos," he said.

Brian Ray, president of the National Home Education Research Institute, an advocacy group, said it would make sense if parents resisted new government leadership by choosing to teach their kids themselves.

"It's exactly what the modern homeschool movement has been doing for 30 years," he said.

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