Bernie's aura.

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Was this a one-off or do they have these fruits on a recurring basis?

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Bernie would have won.

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I saw a commerical on this the other day and was like WTF. People don't need another damn debate when the election is over. I wonder if they got any ratings.

And yea, Bernie would have had a much better chance than HIllary. He and Trump were really the only independents against the 2 party system.

I had no issue with it.

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GO BEARS!!!

This seems like a very odd complaint, even for this place. Of all the shit on TV these days, you thought this was the most worthy of complaining about?

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I didn't see it, I'm assuming that Bernie mopped the floor with Cruz in the debate like he did against HRC. You all had your chance, you sat by while the DNC and Hillary fucked Bernie every step of the way and now we have a reality TV clown in the White House, Bernie would have steamrolled Trump in an election.

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So glad Bernie isn't in the white house.

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That was another weird thing about campaign season. I generally thought the Bernie-Hillary debates were won by razor-thin margins if they were won at all. Of course, I'm biased, but I generally thought Bernie came out ahead on most issues, and the polls seemed to agree. But the debate would end, they'd cut to a panel, and you'd hear "well, all I can say is 'wow.' Hillary was amazing, she's never looked more presidential." I thought I was going insane.

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CNN had an agenda, hell...they fed her the questions ahead of time and she still couldn't beat him.

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Bernie came from a fantasy world. His answers were easy. Free everything!

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Fantasy world. When I think of people who live in the real world, the first guy that comes to mind is Donald Trump.

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That's not true. He's not accurate with some of his proposals but that's true of any politician.

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It would have been like Bernstein as the FOTS.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Virtually every position he had was just a notch below 'free puppies for all!'. Of course he will do well in debates.

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Again, that's just categorically not true. You probably even agree with him more politically than I do but he's not just offering free stuff. He's just lying or misrepresenting what the cost of his proposed policies would be. Something every single politician except probably Ron Paul does.

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Free stuff has been the position of the government for the past 70 years if you are a defense contractor. If we turned off the credit cards to the Pentagon we would have plenty of money to invest in domestic programs.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I haven't seen a politician in decades promising what Bernie was.

What was Hillary promising?

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Yes, we piss away trillions in the middle East while government contractors charge 400$ per hammer and 150$ for a box of screws. Don't worry Rick, your Cuban twink will be ready for a run in 2020 . He will save ya a wristband for his first foam party @ the the White House.

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I might be wrong but I don't think Bernie promised anything necessarily. We're talking about proposed policies. Bernie's obviously in favor of expanding a lot of domestic welfare policies. Iirc, the criticism was with his proposed tax plan not syncing up with that, an issue for Hillary, Trump, Obama, and Romney as well.

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My point is that his platform is always going to come off great in a debate. "Free puppies for all!" is going to get a lot of people saying "Hell Yeah!". This is in response to the idea that he was great in the debates against Hillary. He was operating from such a position of strength in regards to ideas that "feel good" he was always going to do well in them.

I understand every politician makes promises and many of them they won't follow through on(except Trump). I'm saying that if you wanted to create a campaign that would give you the best chance to win debates you would choose a Bernie Sanders type message.

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It certainly appears that we have no idea how much is spent or where the money is going. http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/23/politics/ ... ng-errors/

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I disagree completely. If Bernie's message is so popular during debates it would be a more mainstream platform by now.

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Yes, Rick, socialist platforms have always been very popular in America...

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That's just wrong. You seem to have trouble grasping that there are vast swaths of the American public that are struggling. That seems to be so far out of your experience that you can barely fathom it being an actual position. So you see Hillary- or someone like her- as "sensible". Things are pretty good and slowly getting better. You'll never be able to see why anyone would support "radical" changes.

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Freedom is our Strength.

Statements like this make me think you didn't ever actually watch a debate or read anything about the candidates and are just making up your own narrative as you go along.

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On the "right" vs "privilege" thing, I think there has to be a compromise. Between Bernie's "you get top notch healthcare, even if you are sitting at home, unemployed, not looking for a job" and Ted's "Tough Shit" approach.


If it's a clear case of someone that will die without treatment, the goverment has to step in and subsidize that. If you are dumb ass, aka young with a job and didn't buy healthcare, then if it's an 911, it will be debt you must resolve, like a student loan. Oh and yes, all kids deserve free healthcare, don't punish them for their parents inaction.

There has to be some middle ground here, no?

There is a big difference between a 30 second answer in a debate and an actual comparison of the positives and negatives of a proposal over the course of many years.

However, if you want to make it into the fact that Americans don't want the ideas that Bernie is/was selling I'm fine with that too.

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Again, we agree on the last part of this post. I just don't understand your previous argument. It doesn't make sense.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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