FavreFan wrote:
This is what I'm talking about with you being unable to view the Bulls objectively. In the worst of times, and this would be close, it's still a top 3 market with a top 3-4 legacy as a franchise in the NBA. I'm sure Boston fans thought shit was hopeless and they were going nowhere in 2007. Then look what happened a year later. Obviously that's almost certainly not gonna happen here, but any smart GM in any sport is going to try to improve assets in a trade whenever possible. A mid round first and Valentine for Ibaka qualifies.
I may not have always been objective in this thread but I think the post to which you replied was definitely objective. You say we're a "top 3-4 legacy" franchise in a "top 3 market," all of which is true, but would you also be open to admitting that our legacy and market has led to jack shit in the free agent market? Utter failures in 2000, 2010, and everything in between and afterward. We may exist in a large market but that hasn't meant anything when it comes to premier free agents.
long time guy wrote:
You aren't going to get Durant and you don't fold the tent simply because you can't. I don't think that we get Ibaka but if you can without giving up a shit load you do it.
As far as the Bulls go they aren't the laughingstock of the league and your evaluation is off and contradictory. You first compared him to a bunch of guys on the downside of their careers (Wade) (Carter)
(Chandler)
(Rondo); Then you state that he'd simply be wasted due to the ineptitude of the management. The management thing is a copout designed to deflect from real analysis.
The Bulls could do better at drafting but there are other franchises that are in worst shape. Hoiberg hasn't really demonstrated that he isn't anything more than a middle of the road coach at this stage. Not great Not terrible.
You and others bash them for Wade and Rondo but Wade has played better than expected and Rondo looks really good with the 2nd unit. If they don't acquire those two you and others that consistently bash the org. would no doubt be bashing them for not "doing anything during the off season". It is easy to say keep Dunleavy and Calderon until actually keep Dunleavy and Calderon.
I brought up Chandler and Carter to suggest a lack of strategy, not to compare them to Ibaka. I don't think your analysis in general takes strategy into account. It certainly doesn't take workplace environment and culture into account, as we've discussed. You come with the perspective of a scout who watches nothing but the ten players in front of him going at it, completely oblivious to everything else. That's fine when you want to talk about someone's game vs someone else's game, but not when it comes to big picture things like the direction of a franchise.
I bash the Wade and Rondo signings for reasons that your tunnel vision doesn't allow you to see. I don't give a shit about Wade playing better than expected or Rondo "looking really good with the 2nd unit" (
). I bash the signings because they were haphazard ways to fill a roster and generate cheap preseason buzz. The signings clearly do not reflect a long-term strategy to win championships, which is the objective of most front offices. Sometimes not signing anyone during the off-season is strategic. Signing two over the hill players for no reason whatsoever certainly isn't strategic, and that's what's most objectionable.
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