It will be more like 20.

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It's almost like you just like to argue.

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I would say just given what we know as of today. As of right now, Michael Jordan is the best basketball player the world has ever seen and capitalism is the best economic system the world has ever seen. I suppose theoretically they could be topped but it's unlikely.

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I think everyone should have healthcare available. But I think characterizing it as "insurance" just muddies the waters. There has to be a simpler way to do it. First of all, why not simply deal with those who don't have, can't get, or can't afford insurance and leave everyone else out of it?

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Come on.

I entered this debate with the idea that people though Bernie won the debate and that his ideas were popular. You told me he didn't win the debates and his ideas were not popular. Some of the same people that gave me that initial impression are in this thread. I wonder if any of them will argue with you about it. I'm not getting involved in arguing what others think.

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Hey, Fuck Michael Jordan, let's stay on topic here.

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I'm mainly just fucking around in this thread. I like to argue too.

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Who cares? Do you make decisions about what is right based on its popularity?

The point is that you characterizing him as "Free puppies for all!" is ridiculous.

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The problem is the government guarantees ER care with virtually no penalty to the person who chooses to not have insurance. The mandate requiring it was good because of that. I wish they went a step further and made the financial penalties severe.

The best healthcare system would be one in which the government offers a "catastrophic care" plan for the crippling medical bills that can bankrupt or really hurt most people. You then let the private insurance industry take care of the rest with that anchor on the system lifted. You also require everyone to have some sort of insurance.

A public option would be ok too as long as it didn't use tax dollars to undercut private insurance.

Single payer would be a disaster. It sounds great in a debate though!

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Don't you think this will lead to a lot of "crying poor situations? What if goverment bailout healthcare program is better than a mid of the road HMO through someone's work?

You wanted severe financial penalties for those who went to the ER but couldn't afford insurance?

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Very few people "can't afford insurance". There are government assistance programs for those who are in a financial position to not afford it. Many others choose to not have insurance. Your health should be viewed like housing. You need a place to live just like you need to keep yourself healthy. I'd rather not pay a mortgage too but you do it and budget it accordingly so you have one.

I'd make the financial penalty for an ER visit without insurance 10% of your yearly income.

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There really is no good solution.

Population is growing exponentially
The system has been rigged for decades to become an aristocracy.


It's going to get real fucking ugly coming up here.. When? I have no fucking idea....30 years? 50 years? It's going to suck. I'm hope the next life is better guys. That's just reality. The world is a shit evil place.

Most of them probably don't even have income. You are aware there are very poor people in America, right?

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I don't think it will take that long. By 2030 I expect most of the labor force will be automated.

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-a ... -20160924/

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I somehow in my mind believe that you still will.

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How would you enforce the penalty? Jail time or a fine? I'm trying to think this through here. There's a large number of people who make $20,000 or less that can't really afford insurance even with government help. They are barely getting by at all. Many are working homeless. If you charge someone in that scenario 2 grand they just wouldn't pay it because they can't. Do you fine then? They can't pay the fine either. So you're left with destroying someone's credit because they had the misfortune of being poor and sick, or jailing them for the same reason.

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It would be a penalty on your taxes.

You bring up valid points but it would be easy to just do gross income minus 20k for the penalty or just make 20k eligible for Medicaid if it isn't already.

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For community college? Why?

Still way too many blue collar jobs that need doing, and that free tuition is obviously going to come from increased taxes. You'll have blue collar workers paying their future boss's college tuition.

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Those blue collar jobs will be the first to be automated, but I agree to a point. I would make it free for STEM degrees. Not for drama.

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Everywhere I turn people say they cant afford it though

Fair enough

This is a pretty general statement but it is more that most people don't consider it an expense to budget for. Everyone sets aside money for cars and mortgage/rent and food and cable but when it comes to healthcare, which is just as important as most of those things they act like the expense is unbearable.

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Healthcare is important but it doesn't compare to food and shelter on the priority scale.

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Everyone keeps saying that the jobs will be automated ,fine. Those machines need maintenance and upkeep,someone needs to do that why not train to do that?

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I think that is valid but for a large majority of Americans we expect them to budget out money for food and shelter so I think it is fair to expect them to budget out money for healthcare too given that food and shelter are more important than healthcare.

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Household of 4 in Illinois that makes less than $33,000 gets Medicaid for free

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Rick is mostly right about Bernie. It's sad MANY don't get it.

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