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LOL. When people say "That's rich", this is it.


"That's rich"--people
"Tell me more"--George Romney
"Cut it out"--Raul Castro
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[quote="BeerFan"][quote="leashyourkids"][quote="Nas"]Education
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LOL. When people say "That's rich", this is it.


"That's rich"--people
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"Cut it out"--Raul Castro
"Dodd-Frank"--Dodd and Frank"


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I hear back in the day,Krause wouldn't let in my favorite Bull,Chet Walker in the clubhouse during the Jordan era. I never knew why.

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You needed to spend more time at Krannert. They could've made a good capitalist out of you. :lol:

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For me it's decreasing government regulation of the free market. I'm very much in the Friedman, Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard camp


That type of thinking is going to be dead soon.

https://news.fastcompany.com/elon-musk- ... on-4030576

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
For me it's decreasing government regulation of the free market. I'm very much in the Friedman, Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard camp


That type of thinking is going to be dead soon.

https://news.fastcompany.com/elon-musk- ... on-4030576

This gets said about every technological leap and the end result is that while some jobs get eliminated, new ones pop up to support the new technology.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
For me it's decreasing government regulation of the free market. I'm very much in the Friedman, Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard camp


That type of thinking is going to be dead soon.

https://news.fastcompany.com/elon-musk- ... on-4030576

This gets said about every technological leap and the end result is that while some jobs get eliminated, new ones pop up to support the new technology.

Maybe not this time....

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
For me it's decreasing government regulation of the free market. I'm very much in the Friedman, Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard camp


That type of thinking is going to be dead soon.

https://news.fastcompany.com/elon-musk- ... on-4030576

This gets said about every technological leap and the end result is that while some jobs get eliminated, new ones pop up to support the new technology.


Computers are already better than humans at many things, and given the rate of improvement it's not out of the question that we will have human level intelligence in the next few decades. When that hits, better than human level will happen rapidly. That's when it's really game over.

Self-driving cars will be enough to create Great Depression levels of unemployment. That disruption has already started, and by the time we vote for the next president we will already be in the first waves. People also tend to forget all of industries that will be affected by this disruption. No drivers mean no insurance for drivers. No need for all of the gas station marts, motels, or fast food places along the Interstate that cater to truckers.

In the long run there are some incredible possibilities, but the transition is likely going to be painful.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
For me it's decreasing government regulation of the free market. I'm very much in the Friedman, Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard camp


That type of thinking is going to be dead soon.

https://news.fastcompany.com/elon-musk- ... on-4030576

This gets said about every technological leap and the end result is that while some jobs get eliminated, new ones pop up to support the new technology.


Computers are already better than humans at many things, and given the rate of improvement it's not out of the question that we will have human level intelligence in the next few decades. When that hits, better than human level will happen rapidly. That's when it's really game over.

Self-driving cars will be enough to create Great Depression levels of unemployment. That disruption has already started, and by the time we vote for the next president we will already be in the first waves. People also tend to forget all of industries that will be affected by this disruption. No drivers mean no insurance for drivers. No need for all of the gas station marts, motels, or fast food places along the Interstate that cater to truckers.

In the long run there are some incredible possibilities, but the transition is likely going to be painful.


What people forget is that each leap of technology frees up people to move to other areas. A century ago, large portions of the population were required for agriculture. When technology eliminated those jobs, the end result wasn't depression, it was new industries popping up as more labor was available.

Right now we are talking about industries that will die, but what we do not see is the industries that will be born. No one in the 1950s could have foreseen the software industry for example. What industries will exist in 20-30 years that we in 2017 cannot even foresee?

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
For me it's decreasing government regulation of the free market. I'm very much in the Friedman, Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard camp


That type of thinking is going to be dead soon.

https://news.fastcompany.com/elon-musk- ... on-4030576

This gets said about every technological leap and the end result is that while some jobs get eliminated, new ones pop up to support the new technology.


Computers are already better than humans at many things, and given the rate of improvement it's not out of the question that we will have human level intelligence in the next few decades. When that hits, better than human level will happen rapidly. That's when it's really game over.

Self-driving cars will be enough to create Great Depression levels of unemployment. That disruption has already started, and by the time we vote for the next president we will already be in the first waves. People also tend to forget all of industries that will be affected by this disruption. No drivers mean no insurance for drivers. No need for all of the gas station marts, motels, or fast food places along the Interstate that cater to truckers.

In the long run there are some incredible possibilities, but the transition is likely going to be painful.


What people forget is that each leap of technology frees up people to move to other areas. A century ago, large portions of the population were required for agriculture. When technology eliminated those jobs, the end result wasn't depression, it was new industries popping up as more labor was available.

Right now we are talking about industries that will die, but what we do not see is the industries that will be born. No one in the 1950s could have foreseen the software industry for example. What industries will exist in 20-30 years that we in 2017 cannot even foresee?


Farm labor was millions of people, how many are in the software industry? It's going to be far fewer, but past that example. DO you think all of these disrupted truck drivers will be able to be trained to work in software or some other technology? As they are being trained there will be computers creating the next wave of disruptions. And this is just the simple, understandable part.

The only possible argument you could make is that you do not believe we will ever achieve human level intelligence in a machine, because if we do they will be able to do the work of an employee 24/7 without rest, vacation or sick time.

I had a meeting with a guy who does sales at IBM. They have a Watson marketing suite which is basically automating most of the marketing team with real time responses on social media. Labor is in some serious trouble.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
For me it's decreasing government regulation of the free market. I'm very much in the Friedman, Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard camp


That type of thinking is going to be dead soon.

https://news.fastcompany.com/elon-musk- ... on-4030576

This gets said about every technological leap and the end result is that while some jobs get eliminated, new ones pop up to support the new technology.


Computers are already better than humans at many things, and given the rate of improvement it's not out of the question that we will have human level intelligence in the next few decades. When that hits, better than human level will happen rapidly. That's when it's really game over.

Self-driving cars will be enough to create Great Depression levels of unemployment. That disruption has already started, and by the time we vote for the next president we will already be in the first waves. People also tend to forget all of industries that will be affected by this disruption. No drivers mean no insurance for drivers. No need for all of the gas station marts, motels, or fast food places along the Interstate that cater to truckers.

In the long run there are some incredible possibilities, but the transition is likely going to be painful.


What people forget is that each leap of technology frees up people to move to other areas. A century ago, large portions of the population were required for agriculture. When technology eliminated those jobs, the end result wasn't depression, it was new industries popping up as more labor was available.

Right now we are talking about industries that will die, but what we do not see is the industries that will be born. No one in the 1950s could have foreseen the software industry for example. What industries will exist in 20-30 years that we in 2017 cannot even foresee?


Farm labor was millions of people, how many are in the software industry? It's going to be far fewer, but past that example. DO you think all of these disrupted truck drivers will be able to be trained to work in software or some other technology? As they are being trained there will be computers creating the next wave of disruptions. And this is just the simple, understandable part.

The only possible argument you could make is that you do not believe we will ever achieve human level intelligence in a machine, because if we do they will be able to do the work of employee 24/7 without rest, vacation or sick time.

I had a meeting with a guy who does sales at IBM. They have a Watson marketing suite which is basically automating most of the marketing team with real time responses on social media. Labor is in some serious trouble.


Yeah, it's not going to be like Terminator where the machines attack us militarily. The machines are going to attack us economically by taking our jobs.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
For me it's decreasing government regulation of the free market. I'm very much in the Friedman, Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard camp


That type of thinking is going to be dead soon.

https://news.fastcompany.com/elon-musk- ... on-4030576

This gets said about every technological leap and the end result is that while some jobs get eliminated, new ones pop up to support the new technology.


Computers are already better than humans at many things, and given the rate of improvement it's not out of the question that we will have human level intelligence in the next few decades. When that hits, better than human level will happen rapidly. That's when it's really game over.

Self-driving cars will be enough to create Great Depression levels of unemployment. That disruption has already started, and by the time we vote for the next president we will already be in the first waves. People also tend to forget all of industries that will be affected by this disruption. No drivers mean no insurance for drivers. No need for all of the gas station marts, motels, or fast food places along the Interstate that cater to truckers.

In the long run there are some incredible possibilities, but the transition is likely going to be painful.


It will be interesting that is for sure. Moreso, when you think that some of our parents didn't even have a tv in their home.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
For me it's decreasing government regulation of the free market. I'm very much in the Friedman, Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard camp


That type of thinking is going to be dead soon.

https://news.fastcompany.com/elon-musk- ... on-4030576

This gets said about every technological leap and the end result is that while some jobs get eliminated, new ones pop up to support the new technology.


Computers are already better than humans at many things, and given the rate of improvement it's not out of the question that we will have human level intelligence in the next few decades. When that hits, better than human level will happen rapidly. That's when it's really game over.

Self-driving cars will be enough to create Great Depression levels of unemployment. That disruption has already started, and by the time we vote for the next president we will already be in the first waves. People also tend to forget all of industries that will be affected by this disruption. No drivers mean no insurance for drivers. No need for all of the gas station marts, motels, or fast food places along the Interstate that cater to truckers.

In the long run there are some incredible possibilities, but the transition is likely going to be painful.


It will be interesting that is for sure. Moreso, when you think that some of our parents didn't even have a tv in their home.


The acceleration of technology is pretty amazing. The computing power in smart phones is miraculous. Compare it to technology from the 90s. It's science fiction. Think about someone born in 1900. They saw the invention of flight, the automobile, the radio, television and nuclear power in the first 50 years of their life. The next fifty brought on modern medicine, cell phones and the Internet.

I read that engineers said that we have had a 20th century's worth of progress from 2000-2014. Basically every single breakthrough leads to more rapid progress because we have machines doing so much of the work for us now.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
For me it's decreasing government regulation of the free market. I'm very much in the Friedman, Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard camp


That type of thinking is going to be dead soon.

https://news.fastcompany.com/elon-musk- ... on-4030576

This gets said about every technological leap and the end result is that while some jobs get eliminated, new ones pop up to support the new technology.


Computers are already better than humans at many things, and given the rate of improvement it's not out of the question that we will have human level intelligence in the next few decades. When that hits, better than human level will happen rapidly. That's when it's really game over.

Self-driving cars will be enough to create Great Depression levels of unemployment. That disruption has already started, and by the time we vote for the next president we will already be in the first waves. People also tend to forget all of industries that will be affected by this disruption. No drivers mean no insurance for drivers. No need for all of the gas station marts, motels, or fast food places along the Interstate that cater to truckers.

In the long run there are some incredible possibilities, but the transition is likely going to be painful.


What people forget is that each leap of technology frees up people to move to other areas. A century ago, large portions of the population were required for agriculture. When technology eliminated those jobs, the end result wasn't depression, it was new industries popping up as more labor was available.

Right now we are talking about industries that will die, but what we do not see is the industries that will be born. No one in the 1950s could have foreseen the software industry for example. What industries will exist in 20-30 years that we in 2017 cannot even foresee?


Farm labor was millions of people, how many are in the software industry? It's going to be far fewer, but past that example. DO you think all of these disrupted truck drivers will be able to be trained to work in software or some other technology? As they are being trained there will be computers creating the next wave of disruptions. And this is just the simple, understandable part.

The only possible argument you could make is that you do not believe we will ever achieve human level intelligence in a machine, because if we do they will be able to do the work of an employee 24/7 without rest, vacation or sick time.

I had a meeting with a guy who does sales at IBM. They have a Watson marketing suite which is basically automating most of the marketing team with real time responses on social media. Labor is in some serious trouble.
Well, the next step is probably a leisure economy combined with rewarding people for working less hours. For instance, a tax break for being a household that only has one person working. We'll likely take more vacations(and they will be cheaper) and spend much more of our money on experiences. We'll be more active and join clubs more. It obviously won't replace every job that is lost but quality of life will probably improve.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
pittmike wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
For me it's decreasing government regulation of the free market. I'm very much in the Friedman, Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard camp


That type of thinking is going to be dead soon.

https://news.fastcompany.com/elon-musk- ... on-4030576

This gets said about every technological leap and the end result is that while some jobs get eliminated, new ones pop up to support the new technology.


Computers are already better than humans at many things, and given the rate of improvement it's not out of the question that we will have human level intelligence in the next few decades. When that hits, better than human level will happen rapidly. That's when it's really game over.

Self-driving cars will be enough to create Great Depression levels of unemployment. That disruption has already started, and by the time we vote for the next president we will already be in the first waves. People also tend to forget all of industries that will be affected by this disruption. No drivers mean no insurance for drivers. No need for all of the gas station marts, motels, or fast food places along the Interstate that cater to truckers.

In the long run there are some incredible possibilities, but the transition is likely going to be painful.


It will be interesting that is for sure. Moreso, when you think that some of our parents didn't even have a tv in their home.


The acceleration of technology is pretty amazing. The computing power in smart phones is miraculous. Compare it to technology from the 90s. It's science fiction. Think about someone born in 1900. They saw the invention of flight, the automobile, the radio, television and nuclear power in the first 50 years of their life. The next fifty brought on modern medicine, cell phones and the Internet.

I read that engineers said that we have had a 20th century's worth of progress from 2000-2014. Basically every single breakthrough leads to more rapid progress because we have machines doing so much of the work for us now.


I guess you have to go forward with some faith that the advances provide enough opportunities for everyone. Or on the other hand that the advances make it so unnecessary to work there are pots of gold for all to recreate.

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Yeah, it's not going to be like Terminator where the machines attack us militarily. The machines are going to attack us economically by taking our jobs.

That's actually going to help us economically. We aren't far from living in a world with a ridiculous surplus. It's going to be a matter of how we divide that surplus up between the have's and have not's.

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Yeah, it's not going to be like Terminator where the machines attack us militarily. The machines are going to attack us economically by taking our jobs.

That's actually going to help us economically. We aren't far from living in a world with a ridiculous surplus. It's going to be a matter of how we divide that surplus up between the have's and have not's.


That's what is scary. We are already pretty terrible at distributing wealth when labor is needed. If a few companies control the workforce with their IP are they going to share the wealth just because?

I'm also not sure why Apple/Google don't just cut the credit card companies out with their wallet function. I could see the tech companies talking over nearly all aspects of the economy.

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It's going to be a matter of how we divide that surplus up between the have's and have not's.


That's already the issue. When millions more are out of work I don't see why the 1% are suddenly going to be willing to share.

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 Post subject: Re: What's your issue?
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Yeah, it's not going to be like Terminator where the machines attack us militarily. The machines are going to attack us economically by taking our jobs.

That's actually going to help us economically. We aren't far from living in a world with a ridiculous surplus. It's going to be a matter of how we divide that surplus up between the have's and have not's.


I don't think the decision of "how we divide" will come peacefully.


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FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Yeah, it's not going to be like Terminator where the machines attack us militarily. The machines are going to attack us economically by taking our jobs.

That's actually going to help us economically. We aren't far from living in a world with a ridiculous surplus. It's going to be a matter of how we divide that surplus up between the have's and have not's.


I don't think the decision of "how we divide" will come peacefully.


There will likely be violence when the truckers are let go. Get used to protestors, and for more serious issues that "locker room talk".

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It's going to be a matter of how we divide that surplus up between the have's and have not's.


That's already the issue. When millions more are out of work I don't see why the 1% are suddenly going to be willing to share.

They're apparently going to fund more leisure activities and vacations for the rest of us :lol:

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