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Is it me or does every story about college now center on a group being offended or making demands?

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Black students should be offered free tuition and housing at the University of Wisconsin-Madison because blacks were legally barred from education during slavery and UW-Madison remains out of reach for black students today, the student government said Wednesday.


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It's not just you. The colleges are out of control with this nonsense. Several speakers have been threatened with violence and the student body threatened riots just because somebody wants to speak. And that's not even Milo. I'm talking about Jason Riley or Condi Rice. If you don't want to go and listen, that's fine. Don't go. There's plenty else to do on a college campus.


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I don't remember caring about much other than studying and recreating when I was in college. I think it is good that these kids are not like me.

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G. Gordon Liddy appeared many moons ago when I was in school. Nobody protested but he caught a lot of flack when he took questions. That seems a better way to accommodate freedom of speech while allowing for a thorough rebuttal IMO.

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Black students should be offered free tuition and housing at the University of Wisconsin-Madison because blacks were legally barred from education during slavery and UW-Madison remains out of reach for black students today, the student government said Wednesday.


It remains out of reach for the vast majority of high school students today. From the website:

Admitted students will typically score between 27-31 on the ACT and 1870-2050 on the SAT, although there is no minimum required score.
We typically see unweighted, academic GPAs between a 3.8 and a 4.0, and a class rank in the 83-96 percentile.

https://www.admissions.wisc.edu/apply/f ... ements.php

Meaning about 82% of students are not going to get in based on class rank/GPA. And a 27 ACT score equates to the top 13% of test takers.

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G. Gordon Liddy appeared many moons ago when I was in school. Nobody protested but he caught a lot of flack when he took questions. That seems a better way to accommodate freedom of speech while allowing for a thorough rebuttal IMO.



There was this crazy religious guy that had a flock on the quad at UIUC. I stopped by one time to hear his thoughts as it was election season in 1992. He was praising the 43 Republican Senators for their good work. Someone in the audience politely suggested he change his pitch because Bob Packwood (R) had been accused of sexual assault by many women.

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student protests and student governments almost always consist of non-STEM majors as the STEM majors are too busy learning applicable skills that will allow them to pay off their student debts and find gainful employment. The liberal arts students will piss away their college years on dumbass protests and then spend the next 25 years asking for Bernie to bail them out of their 5 figure debt as they are stuck working at Starbucks and found that their women's studies major doesn't lead to a paycheck.

This must be why my alma mater (Purdue) tends to be more apathetic on political issues than most. Everyone's too damn busy doing their MATLAB assignment to protest.

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student protests and student governments almost always consist of non-STEM majors as the STEM majors are too busy learning applicable skills that will allow them to pay off their student debts and find gainful employment. The liberal arts students will piss away their college years on dumbass protests and then spend the next 25 years asking for Bernie to bail them out of their 5 figure debt as they are stuck working at Starbucks and found that their women's studies major doesn't lead to a paycheck.

This must be why my alma mater (Purdue) tends to be more apathetic on political issues than most. Everyone's too damn busy doing their MATLAB assignment to protest.


I don't think making everyone a STEM major is the solution.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
student protests and student governments almost always consist of non-STEM majors as the STEM majors are too busy learning applicable skills that will allow them to pay off their student debts and find gainful employment. The liberal arts students will piss away their college years on dumbass protests and then spend the next 25 years asking for Bernie to bail them out of their 5 figure debt as they are stuck working at Starbucks and found that their women's studies major doesn't lead to a paycheck.

This must be why my alma mater (Purdue) tends to be more apathetic on political issues than most. Everyone's too damn busy doing their MATLAB assignment to protest.


I don't think making everyone a STEM major is the solution.

It isn't, but I do think students should look at the career opportunities in a given field vs. the cost of obtaining the sheepskin in that field. They might give it some serious second thought or look at community college as a cost effective alternative. You would go along way towards solving the student debt crisis if they did that. The Federal student loan program was originally intended exclusively for STEM fields.

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I don't remember caring about much other than studying and recreating when I was in college. I think it is good that these kids are not like me.


can you imagine in ~10-15yrs if this board is overrun with a "new generation" of kids who wanna bitch about how parkins was really good back in 2017-20? you're beyond correctamundo here! =P

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
student protests and student governments almost always consist of non-STEM majors as the STEM majors are too busy learning applicable skills that will allow them to pay off their student debts and find gainful employment. The liberal arts students will piss away their college years on dumbass protests and then spend the next 25 years asking for Bernie to bail them out of their 5 figure debt as they are stuck working at Starbucks and found that their women's studies major doesn't lead to a paycheck.

This must be why my alma mater (Purdue) tends to be more apathetic on political issues than most. Everyone's too damn busy doing their MATLAB assignment to protest.


I don't think making everyone a STEM major is the solution.

It isn't, but I do think students should look at the career opportunities in a given field vs. the cost of obtaining the sheepskin in that field. They might give it some serious second thought or look at community college as a cost effective alternative. You would go along way towards solving the student debt crisis if they did that.


I don't think it's fair to blame 18-year-olds who have to ask permission to go to the bathroom for getting into debt when they were encouraged to, and told it was the smart and responsible thing to do.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
student protests and student governments almost always consist of non-STEM majors as the STEM majors are too busy learning applicable skills that will allow them to pay off their student debts and find gainful employment. The liberal arts students will piss away their college years on dumbass protests and then spend the next 25 years asking for Bernie to bail them out of their 5 figure debt as they are stuck working at Starbucks and found that their women's studies major doesn't lead to a paycheck.

This must be why my alma mater (Purdue) tends to be more apathetic on political issues than most. Everyone's too damn busy doing their MATLAB assignment to protest.


I don't think making everyone a STEM major is the solution.

It isn't, but I do think students should look at the career opportunities in a given field vs. the cost of obtaining the sheepskin in that field. They might give it some serious second thought or look at community college as a cost effective alternative. You would go along way towards solving the student debt crisis if they did that.


I don't think it's fair to blame 18-year-olds who have to ask permission to go to the bathroom for getting into debt when they were encouraged to, and told it was the smart and responsible thing to do.

^I will not disagree with this statement. Parents who allow an 18 year old to go $80,000 in debt for a history degree (and I love history) are not doing their job.

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I don't remember caring about much other than studying and recreating when I was in college. I think it is good that these kids are not like me.


can you imagine in ~10-15yrs if this board is overrun with a "new generation" of kids who wanna bitch about how parkins was really good back in 2017-20? you're beyond correctamundo here! =P


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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student protests and student governments almost always consist of non-STEM majors as the STEM majors are too busy learning applicable skills that will allow them to pay off their student debts and find gainful employment. The liberal arts students will piss away their college years on dumbass protests and then spend the next 25 years asking for Bernie to bail them out of their 5 figure debt as they are stuck working at Starbucks and found that their women's studies major doesn't lead to a paycheck.

This must be why my alma mater (Purdue) tends to be more apathetic on political issues than most. Everyone's too damn busy doing their MATLAB assignment to protest.


I don't think making everyone a STEM major is the solution.

Agreed. We need Starbucks to have employees.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
student protests and student governments almost always consist of non-STEM majors as the STEM majors are too busy learning applicable skills that will allow them to pay off their student debts and find gainful employment. The liberal arts students will piss away their college years on dumbass protests and then spend the next 25 years asking for Bernie to bail them out of their 5 figure debt as they are stuck working at Starbucks and found that their women's studies major doesn't lead to a paycheck.

This must be why my alma mater (Purdue) tends to be more apathetic on political issues than most. Everyone's too damn busy doing their MATLAB assignment to protest.


I don't think making everyone a STEM major is the solution.

It isn't, but I do think students should look at the career opportunities in a given field vs. the cost of obtaining the sheepskin in that field. They might give it some serious second thought or look at community college as a cost effective alternative. You would go along way towards solving the student debt crisis if they did that.


I don't think it's fair to blame 18-year-olds who have to ask permission to go to the bathroom for getting into debt when they were encouraged to, and told it was the smart and responsible thing to do.

^I will not disagree with this statement. Parents who allow an 18 year old to go $80,000 in debt for a history degree (and I love history) are not doing their job.


Depends on where they are going. I think studying history is a better path than studying "business" as an undergrad. And it's a good way to prepare for Law. I do not get drama or arts.

Honestly the debt crisis is not about places by Wisconsin. It's University of Phoenix and Kaplan hard selling people on taking expensive classes that they don't complete. There are tens of thousands of people like this. I think University of Phoenix had something like a 2 percent graduation rate.

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Black students should be offered free tuition and housing at the University of Wisconsin-Madison because blacks were legally barred from education during slavery and UW-Madison remains out of reach for black students today, the student government said Wednesday.


It remains out of reach for the vast majority of high school students today. From the website:

Admitted students will typically score between 27-31 on the ACT and 1870-2050 on the SAT, although there is no minimum required score.
We typically see unweighted, academic GPAs between a 3.8 and a 4.0, and a class rank in the 83-96 percentile.

https://www.admissions.wisc.edu/apply/f ... ements.php

Meaning about 82% of students are not going to get in based on class rank/GPA. And a 27 ACT score equates to the top 13% of test takers.


No one cares about that anymore Dennis. Have a look at Pitt's. Some people have no fucking idea about what it takes to get into a great university. They say oh look they are on tv I should go there. Sorry you can you dumbass white slacker. These aren't even Ivy schools.

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You are correct in a sense about history. History majors are the most higher for corporate research positions. Probably start as high as most lawyers. Less debt.

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You are correct in a sense about history. History majors are the most higher for corporate research positions. Probably start as high as most lawyers. Less debt.

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Black students should be offered free tuition and housing at the University of Wisconsin-Madison because blacks were legally barred from education during slavery and UW-Madison remains out of reach for black students today, the student government said Wednesday.


It remains out of reach for the vast majority of high school students today. From the website:

Admitted students will typically score between 27-31 on the ACT and 1870-2050 on the SAT, although there is no minimum required score.
We typically see unweighted, academic GPAs between a 3.8 and a 4.0, and a class rank in the 83-96 percentile.

https://www.admissions.wisc.edu/apply/f ... ements.php

Meaning about 82% of students are not going to get in based on class rank/GPA. And a 27 ACT score equates to the top 13% of test takers.



ACT is a joke. I rolled out of bed and got a 30 with no prep. Also college kids are full of shit.

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G. Gordon Liddy appeared many moons ago when I was in school. Nobody protested but he caught a lot of flack when he took questions. That seems a better way to accommodate freedom of speech while allowing for a thorough rebuttal IMO.



There was this crazy religious guy that had a flock on the quad at UIUC. I stopped by one time to hear his thoughts as it was election season in 1992. He was praising the 43 Republican Senators for their good work. Someone in the audience politely suggested he change his pitch because Bob Packwood (R) had been accused of sexual assault by many women.



That guy or at leas this kid was still around the UIUC quad circa 2005-2006. He was yelling at us to stop having premarital sex.

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Protesters are the scum of this earh. this country was founded on obedience and acceptance of rules and policies, not on protests and the questioning of authority. These PC libtards should be jailed or deported so we can revive this country's strong tradition of unquestioned obedience to rulers.

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Protesters are the scum of this earh. this country was founded on obedience and acceptance of rules and policies, not on protests and the questioning of authority. These PC libtards should be jailed or deported so we can revive this country's strong tradition of unquestioned obedience to rulers.

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denisdman wrote:
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Black students should be offered free tuition and housing at the University of Wisconsin-Madison because blacks were legally barred from education during slavery and UW-Madison remains out of reach for black students today, the student government said Wednesday.


It remains out of reach for the vast majority of high school students today. From the website:

Admitted students will typically score between 27-31 on the ACT and 1870-2050 on the SAT, although there is no minimum required score.
We typically see unweighted, academic GPAs between a 3.8 and a 4.0, and a class rank in the 83-96 percentile.

https://www.admissions.wisc.edu/apply/f ... ements.php

Meaning about 82% of students are not going to get in based on class rank/GPA. And a 27 ACT score equates to the top 13% of test takers.



ACT is a joke. I rolled out of bed and got a 30 with no prep. Also college kids are full of shit.



Come on now. Standardized tests have flaws but they are a decent determinant of whether a student is intelligent enough to make it through a given university. If got rolled out of bed and got a 30, then clearly you are a high IQ individual.

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No one cares about that anymore Dennis. Have a look at Pitt's. Some people have no fucking idea about what it takes to get into a great university. They say oh look they are on tv I should go there. Sorry you can you dumbass white slacker. These aren't even Ivy schools.


You know who cares about smart and/or highly skilled individuals? Employers. It is one of the main reasons why the have and have nots are seeing increasing levels of disparity in income and wealth.

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Black students should be offered free tuition and housing at the University of Wisconsin-Madison because blacks were legally barred from education during slavery and UW-Madison remains out of reach for black students today, the student government said Wednesday.


It remains out of reach for the vast majority of high school students today. From the website:

Admitted students will typically score between 27-31 on the ACT and 1870-2050 on the SAT, although there is no minimum required score.
We typically see unweighted, academic GPAs between a 3.8 and a 4.0, and a class rank in the 83-96 percentile.

https://www.admissions.wisc.edu/apply/f ... ements.php

Meaning about 82% of students are not going to get in based on class rank/GPA. And a 27 ACT score equates to the top 13% of test takers.



ACT is a joke. I rolled out of bed and got a 30 with no prep. Also college kids are full of shit.



Come on now. Standardized tests have flaws but they are a decent determinant of whether a student is intelligent enough to make it through a given university. If got rolled out of bed and got a 30, then clearly you are a high IQ individual.


I feel like many people tell this story about being hungover or on no sleep and scoring off the charts. The stats seem to tell a different story, but many students have about zero preparation to take this test given the "schooling" they have been given K-11.

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What preparation do you need for the ACT? You can't study for something that size. Either you know and have learned the material through high school, or you don't know it.

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Protesters are the scum of this earh. this country was founded on obedience and acceptance of rules and policies, not on protests and the questioning of authority. These PC libtards should be jailed or deported so we can revive this country's strong tradition of unquestioned obedience to rulers.

This guy gets it.


Funny that the guy who did not want the "radical change" of Sanders stands with the protestors.

I find the mass protests interesting, but usually pointless.

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What preparation do you need for the ACT? You can't study for something that size. Either you know and have learned the material through high school, or you don't know it.


You can study for the ACT with the right tutors or companies helping you a long the way. It's not like the test questions or atleast types of test question on the test are a secret.

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Ruff, there is not a lot you can do in terms of test prep. You either know the stuff or you don't. Study courses mainly come down to test taking strategies and getting familiar with the format.

That being said, I significantly improved my GMAT scores by spending time on practice exams. I corrected a lot of simple mistakes I was making on the "verbal" section by studying the questions I got wrong over and over. The fine folks at NIU's business school scared me into thinking you needed a 600 composite score to get in. It worked. I probably should have applied to Northwestern or UC, but then I'd be asking for student loan help like Spiral!

I came to find out there were letting pretty much anyone into their business school who applied.

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