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Vegan's hatred for KC Johnson runs deep.

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@KCJohnson ‏Retweeted @WojVerticalNBA Sources: Bulls Beat Reporter @KCJohnson nears deal on new home, expects to close within one week

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That Sacramento pick just got a lot worse now that Boogie is gone. Those two Nets picks would be pretty nice.

Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler

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Seeing what Sacramento received in return for Cousins probably makes it less likely (if it was even being considered in the 1st place) that Butler is moved.

Good.

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Fuckin' Vlade Divac.

Marc Stein on Zach Lowe's podcast says the Bulls have told all inquiring teams except Boston that they're not moving Jimmy Butler:

“I don’t think Butler is getting traded,” Stein said. “Now, the Bulls have told numerous teams they won’t move him. My best summation of it is this: Boston is the only team they would trade him to. And I think it would take at least one Brooklyn pick and Avery Bradley and (Jae) Crowder. Something like that."

I, for one, think it's a great idea to arbitrarily shrink the market to a size of one with less than 72 hours before the trade deadline. How very Bulls.

That's that dumb fuck Pax at work, smh.

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I think Pax is too conservative to seal the deal on a blockbuster. The last time I think he had a chance to leverage a proven asset for picks or something was Joakim Noah at the height of his prime. Didn't trade Noah, didn't trade for Gasol back in the day (not that I necessarily wanted that - just trying to think of opportunities), Garnett, etc. Not that this is a criticism per se but it doesn't seem like big deals are Pax's thing. Would much rather work the bargain bin FA market and draft well.

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I think Pax knows he's a dumb motherfucker and he's hyper sensitive to criticism, he knows deep down that Danny Ainge will fleece his stupid ass.

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Well I personally think he needs to make a deal this year for sure. The team is going nowhere and that's not Butler's fault. Turn him into assets for a shot at success down the road.

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Keeping him gives you a better chance of success down the road than trading him for a lottery pick who almost certainly won't be as good as him will.

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Agreed, I think the whole country agrees besides Farvefan and Paxson.

I'd try to get Jaylen Brown and that pick.

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I very much doubt that the whole country agrees with dumping a top 10 player just because the team he is on isn't good, which is literally the only reason you and vegan have given for wanting to trade him.

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I'm with FavreFan.

You can rebuild this without dumping a Top 10 player for picks and a couple not Top 50 players. And Butler would still be a franchise player when the Bulls are good. He is also a player that could bring that final star Free Ajent piece here in ~3 years once the Bulls have had a couple decent drafts.

Drafts not helmed by Gar Forman or John Paxson.

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Bulls can't get that for Butler. 1st round pick and a role player is the max for him

Boston is unwilling to part with any of the Net picks for him.

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So in other words, they might as well trade him.

I don't think Ainge agrees with your assessment about Butler being a top ten guy.

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A 1st round pick and a role player for Butler would be one of the worst trades in the history of sports. Bulls have some leverage here - there's no reason for them to trade Butler. If a team wants him, they will need to recognize his value as a top 10 player and pay up accordingly.

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The Bulls aren't going to get two top five guys for him. Definitely not two and a solid rotation guy for him.

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You mean two top five picks? I agree they probably won't, which is why I wouldn't do it. There's like a 10% chance the player picked with the Nets pick next year turns out to be as good as Butler.

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How many years do you think the Bulls are away from winning the East? They need a President, GM and coach..then a PG, center, and power forward and shooting guard.

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Agreed, I don't even think he's a top 10 guy.

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The Bulls are infinity years away from winning the East with the current front office.

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Yep this is the top reason I'm against trading Butler. I'm willing to grant that the Bulls have no path to a championship standing pat but they also have no path to a championship under a GarPax directed rebuild either.

Why am I reading rumors about Jae Crowder being a sticking point in this deal for either side? Why the hell do the Bulls even want him, and why the hell would Boston be stubborn enough not to offer him and the Nets pick for Butler?

He has a great contract, arguably one of the best in the league, but I agree with you.

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Yeah right after I posted that I saw this comment on Real GM that made me chuckle:
Typical MO for this franchise.