Supremacy is supremacy. But I'll grant you that it's worse when it's based on an immutable characteristic. You are allowed to convert to a religion and join the supremacist party. That's a luxury Jews in Nazi Germany or black slaves in the Americas did not have.

There are certainly degrees of belief in any religion/philosophy. And there is no central authority in Islam. It's not like the Catholic Church and the Pope. There are all kinds of different sects. But there are some core beliefs that are universally held. I don't believe there are any Muslim majority countries that don't practice some form of Sharia. That isn't because a small minority is jamming it down their throats.

Anyway, I don't think anyone who has read my posts in this forum for any length of time would ever believe that I give a flying fuck which fantasy guy in the sky anyone chooses to pray to, right up until it starts bumping into me in real life.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Europe has been a post-Christian continent for quite some time. But their lifestyle is causing them to die. The native Europeans have very low birthrates in their countries. Meanwhile the Muslims are moving in and having 3 or 4 children per family. It's only a matter of time before the demographics completely shift.

The United States is not completely post-Christian. However, the trend for Millenials is not to go to church. So it will be interesting to see what happens when the Millenials take over.

Even atheists worship people or things. Whether it's money, fame, sex, musicians, sports stars, food, family, friends or hobbies everyone worships. The public universities are the churches of the atheists in America. The ironic thing is the liberal secular humanist is one of the most intolerant bigoted individuals there are. A lot of them have flown off the handle and hate anyone who voted for Trump.

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God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.

Would you support forcing a cakemaker to make a cake for a white supremist meeting? I don't think that you would in that case, honestly. It's the same principle. If the government can make people violate their religious beliefs, then there is no freedom of religion. Freedom is only an illusion that ends when the groupthink declares a religious person to be a bigot.

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God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.

Strawberry shortcake
Pound cake
Pineapple upsidedown cake

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There are certain characteristics of Islam that do seem to "have no borders" though. Child rape, inbreeding, spousal abuse...all occur at exponentially higher rates amongst the Muslim community. They may lack a central authority but in way that strengthens them, their code encourages behavior that AT BEST is taboo in the west. But, its attributed to a faultless prophet instead of the whims of a contemporary living man.

Let me guess, the cake is white with vanilla frosting?

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Hawaii (fuck) You

I was somewhat with you until your last paragraph, which is ridiculous. Religious people always want to make this terrible analogy about atheists/agnostics "worshipping" things. It's grasping at straws. What do you even mean when you say "worship"? If your point is that Americans are overly materialistic or overly in love with athletes, that's fine, but it's not equivalent to the religious man's "worshipping" of God. No atheist is trying to squeeze quotes from Marshawn Lynch into a Senate floor debate.

Your sentence about "liberal secular humanists" should stop right there because you are stereotyping people who aren't religious and placing them in a one-size-fits-all bucket based on the teachings of Jerry Falwell. And then you double down further by saying that an entire group of people - most of whom have no affiliation other than their non-belief in a deity - are the most "intolerant bigoted individuals there are." Yeah, and atheists are the ones who stereotype.

Your last sentence doesn't even make sense. Why in G*d's name would atheists be offended by Donald Trump? Because Leah Dunham is? The fact that many "Conservative" Christians support Donald Trump does nothing but highlight their hypocrisy and their willingness to vote for anyone - and I mean ANYONE - who can get them screaming "Amen" to white American nationalism. Any devout "Christian" who claims Donald Trump shares their beliefs should have a talk with Jesus sooner than later.

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It'd be pretty fantastic if a Senator dropped a "I'm just bout that action, boss" quote on the floor.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

With numbers like this it's shocking that they aren't well received in red states.

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You didn't answer his question

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It is not the same thing. You can still have standards. They just have to be uniform for all. If you would write Adam and Jenny you also have to do Adam and Andy.

If the white supremacist simply wanted a Congrats Joe! cake then I would expect the baker to do it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Though I support the right of churches to officiate the weddings they choose to officiate, I'm not sure their selectivity is particularly "beautiful." It also can't be good for their declining participation.

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Ehh... this actually is a tricky issue. I certainly don't want anyone to be denied the ability to purchase basic goods and services... but I also don't want people to be forced to do business with anyone who asks. Although MD is a tool, the scenario he uses is a fair one. I honestly don't know where I stand on the issue.

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The point I was making is that even atheists worship people or things. People cannot stop worshiping. In place of the true God there are plenty of substitutes that people worship instead of the true God. In the Bible their idols were typically small physical objects and the idolatry that typically went along with the idolatry was fornication with temple prostitutes and in some cases child sacrifice. In modern day America idolatry takes many forms. But since the idols aren't so inherently obvious as a doll sometimes people miss the worship those idols are receiving.

The people call themselves "tolerant" be it atheists or whoever are often the most intolerant. That is not specific to atheists, but liberals in general are unhinged. They talk a good talk about being tolerant when what they really mean "we're only tolerant if you agree with us." The tolerance thing is itself a false idol that puts itself up against true faith. The liberals are bigots by the definition of basically being intolerant of the views of Christians. They only mock the Christians. They never stick it to the Muslims or try to change their religion.

Donald Trump is a flawed person, but he was in fact running against a more despicable person. If you read up on what Hillary Clinton did to the women that Bill Clinton raped/sexual harassed you might not vote for her either. If Trump lost the Supreme Court would be permanently ruined. If Trump did nothing in 4 years, but nominated a good Supreme Court, which he has done already, then for a lot of people the vote is justified. The media is obviously against him, but a lot of people get that he is going to do stuff for this country. The stock market has been soaring since he was elected and he hasn't even done the most important things yet.

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God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.

You would probably sound like less of a moron if you lost the persecution complex.

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Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Once again you can have standards.

His scenario is not fair. You can deny racist cakes. You shouldn't be able to deny normal cakes. It isn't that hard.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

There is literally a ratio of two bad thoughts per sentence here. I am happy that you were able to ignore your religious principles to support a man who worships himself and has no regard for anyone else, though. Maybe he asked for forgiveness for all the people he cheated out of money and publicly mocked!

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What is " normal" Cakes?


That is a huge gray area IMO, I have no problem with gays marrying, I'm not a Baker though..I think its ridiculous to legislate what is acceptable for a bakery to accept or deny. If I was a baker, I'd fill any any order, I understand that some bakers aren't the same as myself and shouldn't be forced to make a cake or pastry they themselves find offensive.

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Not that I'm aware of ... why don't you enlighten us what that was.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Normal is what they define applied evenly. If normal is writing congratulations on a cake then do it for all people.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Perhaps you were misquoted.

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Who is the final arbiter of what is "normal"?

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

ALL CAKES ARE THE SAME!

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we're not talking PANCAKES here, we're talking wedding cakes!

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

dude, CH, the optics of this phrase are just as "bad" as elmhurst steve attempting to dance to michael jackson [music]. might i suggest you go with "everyone knows that muslims keep their pimphand strong!" ??? =P

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i just want to point out that if you ever go to AA you could very well end up worshipping the actual straw!

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Actually, it looks like that was taken out of context. I was referring to Don saying that no person can know if there is or isn't a God.

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Dead on. I thought Mere Christianity makes the best case for a higher power, and yet none of us will know during our lifetime.

The dreamer in me, hopes there is an eternal after life.

The logical person in me, says there is no downside to believing in a higher power.

The true me believes there has to be something to explain this all and that no person on earth can fully understand what that is. So I choose to have faith in the Christian tradition but with a skeptical eye to literal interpretations of ancient texts.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

I would say that the difference in that scenario is that one group just wants to get it on with each other while the other wants to see an entire race eradicated from the Earth.

If you deny the first group, then you're the discriminator. If you deny the second, you're working against discrimination.

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