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All jokes aside, I think you have a hang up about this issue. There are many major protestant sects that have all named themselves. They recognize themselves as Christian but they also insist on their independence with their own name.

As far as better goes, as Joe has often recognized, of course a person thinks his own interpretation is the correct one and in a way I guess that also means better. I don't pass by Lutheran churches and think "those silly people."

I do admit to having a bias against any congregation lead by a person who doesn't have formal training in Bible study. It's both an ancient and coded document whose modern translation can lead to straight out incorrect interpretation.

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Any Christian who isn't a Catholic just doesn't have the guts to go with the real deal. They prefer the watered down upstarts. Sad!

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All jokes aside, I think you have a hang up about this issue. There are many major protestant sects that have all named themselves. They recognize themselves as Christian but they also insist on their independence with their own name.

As far as better goes, as Joe has often recognized, of course a person thinks his own interpretation is the correct one and in a way I guess that also means better. I don't pass by Lutheran churches and think "those silly people."

I do admit to having a bias against any congregation lead by a person who doesn't have formal training in Bible study. It's both an ancient and coded document whose modern translation can lead to straight out incorrect interpretation.


Come on. You think I seriously care about a pissing match over which fairy tale was first?

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All jokes aside, I think you have a hang up about this issue. There are many major protestant sects that have all named themselves. They recognize themselves as Christian but they also insist on their independence with their own name.

As far as better goes, as Joe has often recognized, of course a person thinks his own interpretation is the correct one and in a way I guess that also means better. I don't pass by Lutheran churches and think "those silly people."

I do admit to having a bias against any congregation lead by a person who doesn't have formal training in Bible study. It's both an ancient and coded document whose modern translation can lead to straight out incorrect interpretation.

Let the record show any actual Lutheran would agree entirely. An ordained Lutheran goes through a 4-year Masters program ... though one of those years (year 3) is serving at a congregation.

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All jokes aside, I think you have a hang up about this issue. There are many major protestant sects that have all named themselves. They recognize themselves as Christian but they also insist on their independence with their own name.

As far as better goes, as Joe has often recognized, of course a person thinks his own interpretation is the correct one and in a way I guess that also means better. I don't pass by Lutheran churches and think "those silly people."

I do admit to having a bias against any congregation lead by a person who doesn't have formal training in Bible study. It's both an ancient and coded document whose modern translation can lead to straight out incorrect interpretation.

Let the record show any actual Lutheran would agree entirely. An ordained Lutheran goes through a 4-year Masters program ... though one of those years (year 3) is serving at a congregation.


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All jokes aside, I think you have a hang up about this issue. There are many major protestant sects that have all named themselves. They recognize themselves as Christian but they also insist on their independence with their own name.

As far as better goes, as Joe has often recognized, of course a person thinks his own interpretation is the correct one and in a way I guess that also means better. I don't pass by Lutheran churches and think "those silly people."

I do admit to having a bias against any congregation lead by a person who doesn't have formal training in Bible study. It's both an ancient and coded document whose modern translation can lead to straight out incorrect interpretation.


Come on. You think I seriously care about a pissing match over which fairy tale was first?


Sorry, I took your original post as a statement of interest in a subject.

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MANY would frame it more as a case of Marty looking at a number of practices (the selling of so-called plenary indulgences being one of the more 'famous' sticking points) and felt that it was a bunch of horseshit (it was) and never once thought of himself as anything other than a Roman Catholic - he wasn't striking out a new franchise, he was removing a number of disconcerting perversions in order to restore things to the way they had been at the start ... from his point of view.



True.

Even more so in the case of Henry VIII who had no beefs with the Catholic church other than the Pope refusing his annulment. His religious beliefs remained strictly Catholic in a traditional sense even after he declared himself head of the Anglican church.

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MANY would frame it more as a case of Marty looking at a number of practices (the selling of so-called plenary indulgences being one of the more 'famous' sticking points) and felt that it was a bunch of horseshit (it was) and never once thought of himself as anything other than a Roman Catholic - he wasn't striking out a new franchise, he was removing a number of disconcerting perversions in order to restore things to the way they had been at the start ... from his point of view.



True.

Even more so in the case of Henry VIII who had no beefs with the Catholic church other than the Pope refusing his annulment. His religious beliefs remained strictly Catholic in a traditional sense even after he declared himself head of the Anglican church.


I believe the Anglican church's official name includes Catholic in it

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Seems the Orthodox church is pretty much the same too. Not sure why they can't re-unify.

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MANY would frame it more as a case of Marty looking at a number of practices (the selling of so-called plenary indulgences being one of the more 'famous' sticking points) and felt that it was a bunch of horseshit (it was) and never once thought of himself as anything other than a Roman Catholic - he wasn't striking out a new franchise, he was removing a number of disconcerting perversions in order to restore things to the way they had been at the start ... from his point of view.



True.

Even more so in the case of Henry VIII who had no beefs with the Catholic church other than the Pope refusing his annulment. His religious beliefs remained strictly Catholic in a traditional sense even after he declared himself head of the Anglican church.


I believe the Anglican church's official name includes Catholic in it


I was in Grace Cathedral in San Francisco last week. At first I couldn't tell what denomination the church was. I knew it obviously wasn't Catholic but there was a hippie-ish vibe and "welcome to all" feel that reminded me more of the Baha'i Temple than of any Christian church I've ever been in. My wife described it as "very San Francisco".

Eventually I saw some British flags and I realized it was Anglican. This place clearly wasn't hitting traditional doctrine very hard. There was a welcome sign that was critical of horrible acts done in the name of religions, particularly Christianity. The horrible acts of one specific religion were not mentioned at all. There was a side chamber that had a piece of the Aids Quilt, always very moving. This section also featured an altar piece by Keith Haring that was a metal triptych. Apparently he finished the week before he died.

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All jokes aside, I think you have a hang up about this issue. There are many major protestant sects that have all named themselves. They recognize themselves as Christian but they also insist on their independence with their own name.

As far as better goes, as Joe has often recognized, of course a person thinks his own interpretation is the correct one and in a way I guess that also means better. I don't pass by Lutheran churches and think "those silly people."

I do admit to having a bias against any congregation lead by a person who doesn't have formal training in Bible study. It's both an ancient and coded document whose modern translation can lead to straight out incorrect interpretation.


Come on. You think I seriously care about a pissing match over which fairy tale was first?


Sorry, I took your original post as a statement of interest in a subject.


Well, just a little. Even you guys have to admit that there is a certain smug elitism with urban Catholic Churches and schools. Every time I hear about anything that's called "Saint _________", a little bit of my hillbilly complex comes out and I want to say "What, you think you're better than me!?" Then I go break statues of the Pope. That said, I have MANY friends who are part of that world, so it's not like I hate ALL of you. :D

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leashyourkids wrote:
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All jokes aside, I think you have a hang up about this issue. There are many major protestant sects that have all named themselves. They recognize themselves as Christian but they also insist on their independence with their own name.

As far as better goes, as Joe has often recognized, of course a person thinks his own interpretation is the correct one and in a way I guess that also means better. I don't pass by Lutheran churches and think "those silly people."

I do admit to having a bias against any congregation lead by a person who doesn't have formal training in Bible study. It's both an ancient and coded document whose modern translation can lead to straight out incorrect interpretation.


Come on. You think I seriously care about a pissing match over which fairy tale was first?


Sorry, I took your original post as a statement of interest in a subject.


Well, just a little. Even you guys have to admit that there is a certain smug elitism with urban Catholic Churches and schools. Every time I hear about anything that's called "Saint _________", a little bit of my hillbilly complex comes out and I want to say "What, you think you're better than me!?" Then I go break statues of the Pope. That said, I have MANY friends who are part of that world, so it's not like I hate ALL of you. :D


You have a Rick syndrome on this.

Most catholic schools in this city are neighborhood schools established to teach the kids of the parish. No one is coming from outside of the borders and most of them are able to stay open because of the good will of the parish/diocese. Sure you get those fucks from Hardy Prep or FXW, but they annoy all of us as well.

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Whoa whoa whoa...

We're having a civil discussion and you go and call me Rick?

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There was a welcome sign that was critical of horrible acts done in the name of religions, particularly Christianity. The horrible acts of one specific religion were not mentioned at all.


Some people estimate is that the Catholic church in the past killed as many as 50 million people. But in the 20th century between the Nazis and the Commies there were 100 plus million killed by atheist regimes.

The Catholic church is not killing anyone currently that I know of. Their issue is mostly the coverup of child abuse.

For all the people that talk about religious persecutions, the number one persecuted group are Christians mostly in Islamic countries.

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They didn't kill in the name of Atheism, dipshit.

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good dolphin wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
All jokes aside, I think you have a hang up about this issue. There are many major protestant sects that have all named themselves. They recognize themselves as Christian but they also insist on their independence with their own name.

As far as better goes, as Joe has often recognized, of course a person thinks his own interpretation is the correct one and in a way I guess that also means better. I don't pass by Lutheran churches and think "those silly people."

I do admit to having a bias against any congregation lead by a person who doesn't have formal training in Bible study. It's both an ancient and coded document whose modern translation can lead to straight out incorrect interpretation.


Come on. You think I seriously care about a pissing match over which fairy tale was first?


Sorry, I took your original post as a statement of interest in a subject.


Well, just a little. Even you guys have to admit that there is a certain smug elitism with urban Catholic Churches and schools. Every time I hear about anything that's called "Saint _________", a little bit of my hillbilly complex comes out and I want to say "What, you think you're better than me!?" Then I go break statues of the Pope. That said, I have MANY friends who are part of that world, so it's not like I hate ALL of you. :D


You have a Rick syndrome on this.

Most catholic schools in this city are neighborhood schools established to teach the kids of the parish. No one is coming from outside of the borders and most of them are able to stay open because of the good will of the parish/diocese. Sure you get those fucks from Hardy Prep or FXW, but they annoy all of us as well.


No, leashyourkids is CORRECT! You Papists are so full of shit you squeak when you walk. What kinda show are you guys runnin' here??? Paul III, Paul V, John Paul II, whatever, their spirit is dead if they ever had one. Infallible? I'll show you infallible! If I was half the man I was twenty years ago I'd take a flamethrower to this church! But I'm too old, I'm too tired, I'm too fuckin' blind.

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The Catholic Church has very little to do with Christianity anymore. It's a corrupt money powered religious enterprise. In the original church under the Apostles, people gave away their possessions for the common good of its members. And when a couple withheld their possessions in the Book of Acts, they were struck down dead on the spot by God. Nowadays, the Catholic Church takes your money, and if you want something from the Church (e.g. Communion, Baptism), you have to pay for it. Meanwhile, the Pope is surrounded by gold and expensive ornamentation in the Vatican, even though Christ himself was born in the most humble structure---a manger---and was poor. Beyond that, Catholic doctrine deviates from true Christian doctrine by having people pray to Mary, recite the rosary, say repetitive prayers, all of which have no basis in the bible. In other words, Catholic doctrine is man-made doctrine, which heresy.

Maybe the Pope should have looked in the mirror first before he said recently that it is better to be an atheist than a hypocrite Catholic.


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The Catholic Church has very little to do with Christianity anymore. It's a corrupt money powered religious enterprise. In the original church under the Apostles, people gave away their possessions for the common good of its members. And when a couple withheld their possessions in the Book of Acts, they were struck down dead on the spot by God. Nowadays, the Catholic Church takes your money, and if you want something from the Church (e.g. Communion, Baptism), you have to pay for it. Meanwhile, the Pope is surrounded by gold and expensive ornamentation in the Vatican, even though Christ himself was born in the most humble structure---a manager---and was poor. Beyond that, Catholic doctrine deviates from true Christian doctrine by having people pray to Mary, recite the rosary, say repetitive prayers, all of which have no basis in the bible. In other words, Catholic doctrine is man-made doctrine, which heresy.

Maybe the Pope should have looked in the mirror first before he said recently that it is better to be an atheist than a hypocrite Catholic.



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They didn't kill in the name of Atheism, dipshit.


Drake isn't playing with a full deck.

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good dolphin wrote:
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All jokes aside, I think you have a hang up about this issue. There are many major protestant sects that have all named themselves. They recognize themselves as Christian but they also insist on their independence with their own name.

As far as better goes, as Joe has often recognized, of course a person thinks his own interpretation is the correct one and in a way I guess that also means better. I don't pass by Lutheran churches and think "those silly people."

I do admit to having a bias against any congregation lead by a person who doesn't have formal training in Bible study. It's both an ancient and coded document whose modern translation can lead to straight out incorrect interpretation.


Come on. You think I seriously care about a pissing match over which fairy tale was first?


Sorry, I took your original post as a statement of interest in a subject.


Well, just a little. Even you guys have to admit that there is a certain smug elitism with urban Catholic Churches and schools. Every time I hear about anything that's called "Saint _________", a little bit of my hillbilly complex comes out and I want to say "What, you think you're better than me!?" Then I go break statues of the Pope. That said, I have MANY friends who are part of that world, so it's not like I hate ALL of you. :D


You have a Rick syndrome on this.

Most catholic schools in this city are neighborhood schools established to teach the kids of the parish. No one is coming from outside of the borders and most of them are able to stay open because of the good will of the parish/diocese. Sure you get those fucks from Hardy Prep or FXW, but they annoy all of us as well.

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They didn't kill in the name of Atheism.


To my knowledge for the most part the only people currently killing in the name of any religion is those killing in the name of Allah.

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Some people estimate is that the Catholic church in the past killed as many as 50 million people. .


where in the hell did you come up with that number?

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They didn't kill in the name of Atheism.


To my knowledge for the most part the only people currently killing in the name of any religion is those killing in the name of Allah.


while the religious historically have been involved in wars, most wars are not for religious reasons. only about 3% in the last 10k years. and of those 3% most of them are islamic squabbles. similarly, the large godless regimes that have existed also were not killing to spread/force atheism.


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to answer leash's question, in my circle of Christian friends, i don't think many of them are even remotely "supporters." I think the last 8 years of obama pushed a level of progressivism that if continued down the hrc path terrified them.

being so, i don't think they'd be able to really answer that question. the only value most see of his is not kowtowing to PC culture which for some reason disturbs your standard evangelical.

if i had to pick who he was like, it probably would have to be one of the Kings of Israel which isn't a glowing endorsement. Rehoboam divided the people and was very rigid when his advisors recommended a different approach.


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good dolphin wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
All jokes aside, I think you have a hang up about this issue. There are many major protestant sects that have all named themselves. They recognize themselves as Christian but they also insist on their independence with their own name.

As far as better goes, as Joe has often recognized, of course a person thinks his own interpretation is the correct one and in a way I guess that also means better. I don't pass by Lutheran churches and think "those silly people."

I do admit to having a bias against any congregation lead by a person who doesn't have formal training in Bible study. It's both an ancient and coded document whose modern translation can lead to straight out incorrect interpretation.


Come on. You think I seriously care about a pissing match over which fairy tale was first?


Sorry, I took your original post as a statement of interest in a subject.


Well, just a little. Even you guys have to admit that there is a certain smug elitism with urban Catholic Churches and schools. Every time I hear about anything that's called "Saint _________", a little bit of my hillbilly complex comes out and I want to say "What, you think you're better than me!?" Then I go break statues of the Pope. That said, I have MANY friends who are part of that world, so it's not like I hate ALL of you. :D


You have a Rick syndrome on this.

Most catholic schools in this city are neighborhood schools established to teach the kids of the parish. No one is coming from outside of the borders and most of them are able to stay open because of the good will of the parish/diocese. Sure you get those fucks from Hardy Prep or FXW, but they annoy all of us as well.


No, leashyourkids is CORRECT! You Papists are so full of shit you squeak when you walk. What kinda show are you guys runnin' here??? Paul III, Paul V, John Paul II, whatever, their spirit is dead if they ever had one. Infallible? I'll show you infallible! If I was half the man I was twenty years ago I'd take a flamethrower to this church! But I'm too old, I'm too tired, I'm too fuckin' blind.


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The Catholic Church has very little to do with Christianity anymore. It's a corrupt money powered religious enterprise. In the original church under the Apostles, people gave away their possessions for the common good of its members. And when a couple withheld their possessions in the Book of Acts, they were struck down dead on the spot by God. Nowadays, the Catholic Church takes your money, and if you want something from the Church (e.g. Communion, Baptism), you have to pay for it. Meanwhile, the Pope is surrounded by gold and expensive ornamentation in the Vatican, even though Christ himself was born in the most humble structure---a manger---and was poor. Beyond that, Catholic doctrine deviates from true Christian doctrine by having people pray to Mary, recite the rosary, say repetitive prayers, all of which have no basis in the bible. In other words, Catholic doctrine is man-made doctrine, which heresy.

Maybe the Pope should have looked in the mirror first before he said recently that it is better to be an atheist than a hypocrite Catholic.


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The Catholic Church has very little to do with Christianity anymore. It's a corrupt money powered religious enterprise. In the original church under the Apostles, people gave away their possessions for the common good of its members. And when a couple withheld their possessions in the Book of Acts, they were struck down dead on the spot by God. Nowadays, the Catholic Church takes your money, and if you want something from the Church (e.g. Communion, Baptism), you have to pay for it. Meanwhile, the Pope is surrounded by gold and expensive ornamentation in the Vatican, even though Christ himself was born in the most humble structure---a manger---and was poor. Beyond that, Catholic doctrine deviates from true Christian doctrine by having people pray to Mary, recite the rosary, say repetitive prayers, all of which have no basis in the bible. In other words, Catholic doctrine is man-made doctrine, which heresy.

Maybe the Pope should have looked in the mirror first before he said recently that it is better to be an atheist than a hypocrite Catholic.


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They didn't kill in the name of Atheism.


To my knowledge for the most part the only people currently killing in the name of any religion is those killing in the name of Allah.

Zach DeLa Rocha also kills in the name of...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:17 pm 
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The Christian with 5 kids by 3 women who admitted he wanted to Abort one of them while being interviewed on a show between porn star game shows.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
The Christian with 5 kids by 3 women who admitted he wanted to Abort one of them while being interviewed on a show between porn star game shows.

Is that Slater or Bale?

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